My tips on working for programs in this industry.

[Cory W]

This is not aimed at Davie, I just thought it up as some of his threads sparked chatter about working in this industry / and or job-hopping. This doesn?t apply to those that have suffice webmaster income, etc. This applies to people that want to work for a large company.

If you want stability in this industry,

Here would be my tips:

Never take a job for any of the following reasons:

1) You can work from home.

Please read this carefully before you begin your assault on me: If you apply looking for a ?great job,? but stipulate you only want to work from home, you are probably lazy. If you have other ambitions and or obligations, then by all means, apply for a job whereas you work from your home. The difference is in stipulating it. I consistently get people asking if Weg is hiring and they immediately say ?I have to work from home though.? If you are pursued to work from home, or the job stipulates so, that is different. But don?t apply for in-house and then tell them about your 8 kids. If you are confident that you are an entrepreneur at this point in your life, by all means, work from home. (This did not include contractors, obviously).

2) They will send you to shows.

Believe it or not, this one never ceases to amaze me. Prospective employees think that companies should be obligated to send them to Vegas and, lets not forget, Europe every year. You are applying for a job, not a professional vacationer. My god, when I worked from home on my own, I avoided shows like the plague. You would be amazed at how many people apply for a job and ask what shows they will be sent to, or get upset if you do not guarantee a show.

3) Its in adult.

If you can?t find a company that satisfies you, look in mainstream. Who cares if you have friends here, god only knows that you need not work in this industry to post and maintain relationships.
?

Look for the following in a company:

1) How long have they been around? This is key. The longer that they have been around, the more chances there are that they have expanded.

2) What will you learn? This is huge, you need to examine what they intend to allow you to do. You want to work on meaningful task; otherwise, you are becoming more and more useless with each passing day as you read GFY.


How to present yourself:

1) Avoid arguing with everyone, or posting nonsensical items at every opportunity. Just try to get along with everyone. No one cares about your dogma. But big companies looking to hire someone will always care about someone?s ability to get along with others. (That isn?t limited to this industry). I have been called an ass-kisser for the way I dress at shows and the way I try to get along with everyone. Well welcome to the real world, most of the people that say things like that make less money. That is life.

2) Run your press releases / job inquisitions through Microsoft Word. Come on people, by doing this, you are ahead of 80 percent of GFY.

3) Have a resume. Seriously people, you can search for one on the Internet and copy it. The fact that you present yourself professionally already places you ahead of 90 percent of this board.

4) Seek out specific companies and prepare a cover letter that tells them what you think you can do to help them. Don?t just be the jack-of-all-trades and don?t reference chat boards you post on, no one cares.


My final 2 tips:

Do not believe that you are not qualified because you haven?t been around as long as others. People who constantly reference how long they have been around have likely been passed by. This Industry is an eCommerce Industry before it is a porn industry, it changes constantly, if you are willing to learn, you will be just fine.

Look for opportunity before money. If you do that, you are likely to make more money in the end. Most people will ignore this tip. It is the single most important thing you can do. If you think I am wrong, I call you naïve.

[Just_Dave]

very well said buddy

[LittleMack]

Great post, I agree with you. I work out of my home but that is what is required of me.

[Mutt]

good post

[p1mpdogg]

you had me till i read that part

How to present yourself:

1) Avoid arguing with everyone, or posting nonsensical items at every opportunity. Just try to get along with everyone. No one cares about your dogma. But big companies looking to hire someone will always care about someone?s ability to get along with others. (That isn?t limited to this industry). I have been called an ass-kisser for the way I dress at shows and the way I try to get along with everyone. Well welcome to the real world, most of the people that say things like that make less money. That is life.




id be nothing without my attitude, nor would brad, or that fag 12clicks or serge or FM.. I could name a ton that made themselves successful by pissing off people.. made some enemies too, but thats all part of the game..

not saying you are wrong when it comes to an employee, but as an employer, i have to disagree..

did any of this make sense? I just read what i wrote, and i feel more stupid now

[Cory W]

Originally Posted by LittleMack

Great post, I agree with you. I work out of my home but that is what is required of me.

By saying that, you obviously understood what I meant. I predicted someone working from home would get upset.

Some jobs require it, as this is eComm, the opportunities are a bit more plentiful.

Thanks,

[Cory W]

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

you had me till i read that part

How to present yourself:

1) Avoid arguing with everyone, or posting nonsensical items at every opportunity. Just try to get along with everyone. No one cares about your dogma. But big companies looking to hire someone will always care about someone?s ability to get along with others. (That isn?t limited to this industry). I have been called an ass-kisser for the way I dress at shows and the way I try to get along with everyone. Well welcome to the real world, most of the people that say things like that make less money. That is life.




id be nothing without my attitude, nor would brad, or that fag 12clicks or serge or FM.. I could name a ton that made themselves successful by pissing off people.. made some enemies too, but thats all part of the game..

not saying you are wrong when it comes to an employee, but as an employer, i have to disagree..

did any of this make sense? I just read what i wrote, and i feel more stupid now

Oh no, I am not challenging you as an owner / employer.

haha...I have always gotten along with you

[WiredGuy]

Very good post Cory.
WG

[Cory W]

Pimpdog,

The problem with GFY is they feel that since others such as yourself say what you want, they can follow suit. They don't get the nuances.

[d00t]

hmmmm.... what about 'employees' moving from one sponsor to another and dragging their clients around... any answers to this?

[tony286]

Very good read but for the working at home, this is the net and most don't want to move.Also most adult companies are not IBM so to move for something that may not be there in 6 months or the owner is a meglomanic is crazy.

[wargames]

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

This is not aimed at Davie, I just thought it up as some of his threads sparked chatter about working in this industry / and or job-hopping. This doesn?t apply to those that have suffice webmaster income, etc. This applies to people that want to work for a large company.

If you want stability in this industry,

Here would be my tips:

Never take a job for any of the following reasons:

1) You can work from home.

Please read this carefully before you begin your assault on me: If you apply looking for a ?great job,? but stipulate you only want to work from home, you are probably lazy. If you have other ambitions and or obligations, then by all means, apply for a job whereas you work from your home. The difference is in stipulating it. I consistently get people asking if Weg is hiring and they immediately say ?I have to work from home though.? If you are pursued to work from home, or the job stipulates so, that is different. But don?t apply for in-house and then tell them about your 8 kids. If you are confident that you are an entrepreneur at this point in your life, by all means, work from home. (This did not include contractors, obviously).

2) They will send you to shows.

Believe it or not, this one never ceases to amaze me. Prospective employees think that companies should be obligated to send them to Vegas and, lets not forget, Europe every year. You are applying for a job, not a professional vacationer. My god, when I worked from home on my own, I avoided shows like the plague. You would be amazed at how many people apply for a job and ask what shows they will be sent to, or get upset if you do not guarantee a show.

3) Its in adult.

If you can?t find a company that satisfies you, look in mainstream. Who cares if you have friends here, god only knows that you need not work in this industry to post and maintain relationships.
?

Look for the following in a company:

1) How long have they been around? This is key. The longer that they have been around, the more chances there are that they have expanded.

2) What will you learn? This is huge, you need to examine what they intend to allow you to do. You want to work on meaningful task; otherwise, you are becoming more and more useless with each passing day as you read GFY.


How to present yourself:

1) Avoid arguing with everyone, or posting nonsensical items at every opportunity. Just try to get along with everyone. No one cares about your dogma. But big companies looking to hire someone will always care about someone?s ability to get along with others. (That isn?t limited to this industry). I have been called an ass-kisser for the way I dress at shows and the way I try to get along with everyone. Well welcome to the real world, most of the people that say things like that make less money. That is life.

2) Run your press releases / job inquisitions through Microsoft Word. Come on people, by doing this, you are ahead of 80 percent of GFY.

3) Have a resume. Seriously people, you can search for one on the Internet and copy it. The fact that you present yourself professionally already places you ahead of 90 percent of this board.

4) Seek out specific companies and prepare a cover letter that tells them what you think you can do to help them. Don?t just be the jack-of-all-trades and don?t reference chat boards you post on, no one cares.


My final 2 tips:

Do not believe that you are not qualified because you haven?t been around as long as others. People who constantly reference how long they have been around have likely been passed by. This Industry is an eCommerce Industry before it is a porn industry, it changes constantly, if you are willing to learn, you will be just fine.

Look for opportunity before money. If you do that, you are likely to make more money in the end. Most people will ignore this tip. It is the single most important thing you can do. If you think I am wrong, I call you naïve.

Great post Cory 100% on the ball

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

This is not aimed at Davie, I just thought it up as some of his threads sparked chatter about working in this industry / and or job-hopping. This doesn?t apply to those that have suffice webmaster income, etc. This applies to people that want to work for a large company.

If you want stability in this industry,

Here would be my tips:

Never take a job for any of the following reasons:

1) You can work from home.

Please read this carefully before you begin your assault on me: If you apply looking for a ?great job,? but stipulate you only want to work from home, you are probably lazy. If you have other ambitions and or obligations, then by all means, apply for a job whereas you work from your home. The difference is in stipulating it. I consistently get people asking if Weg is hiring and they immediately say ?I have to work from home though.? If you are pursued to work from home, or the job stipulates so, that is different. But don?t apply for in-house and then tell them about your 8 kids. If you are confident that you are an entrepreneur at this point in your life, by all means, work from home. (This did not include contractors, obviously).

2) They will send you to shows.

Believe it or not, this one never ceases to amaze me. Prospective employees think that companies should be obligated to send them to Vegas and, lets not forget, Europe every year. You are applying for a job, not a professional vacationer. My god, when I worked from home on my own, I avoided shows like the plague. You would be amazed at how many people apply for a job and ask what shows they will be sent to, or get upset if you do not guarantee a show.

3) Its in adult.

If you can?t find a company that satisfies you, look in mainstream. Who cares if you have friends here, god only knows that you need not work in this industry to post and maintain relationships.
?

Look for the following in a company:

1) How long have they been around? This is key. The longer that they have been around, the more chances there are that they have expanded.

2) What will you learn? This is huge, you need to examine what they intend to allow you to do. You want to work on meaningful task; otherwise, you are becoming more and more useless with each passing day as you read GFY.


How to present yourself:

1) Avoid arguing with everyone, or posting nonsensical items at every opportunity. Just try to get along with everyone. No one cares about your dogma. But big companies looking to hire someone will always care about someone?s ability to get along with others. (That isn?t limited to this industry). I have been called an ass-kisser for the way I dress at shows and the way I try to get along with everyone. Well welcome to the real world, most of the people that say things like that make less money. That is life.

2) Run your press releases / job inquisitions through Microsoft Word. Come on people, by doing this, you are ahead of 80 percent of GFY.

3) Have a resume. Seriously people, you can search for one on the Internet and copy it. The fact that you present yourself professionally already places you ahead of 90 percent of this board.

4) Seek out specific companies and prepare a cover letter that tells them what you think you can do to help them. Don?t just be the jack-of-all-trades and don?t reference chat boards you post on, no one cares.


My final 2 tips:

Do not believe that you are not qualified because you haven?t been around as long as others. People who constantly reference how long they have been around have likely been passed by. This Industry is an eCommerce Industry before it is a porn industry, it changes constantly, if you are willing to learn, you will be just fine.

Look for opportunity before money. If you do that, you are likely to make more money in the end. Most people will ignore this tip. It is the single most important thing you can do. If you think I am wrong, I call you naïve.

Very well said and written Cory.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Pimpdog,

The problem with GFY is they feel that since others such as yourself say what you want, they can follow suit. They don't get the nuances.

Most of the people on GFY and in the whole online adult industry who don't give a flying fuck about getting along with others are self-employed, and are self-employed for exactly that reason: they don't want to be in a position where they are forced to "get along" with people they loathe.

[Cory W]

Originally Posted by punkworld

Most of the people on GFY and in the whole online adult industry who don't give a flying fuck about getting along with others are self-employed, and are self-employed for exactly that reason: they don't want to be in a position where they are forced to "get along" with people they loathe.

With all do respect, I disagree.

If you own anything (most businesses, not all), you are in sales. Pimpdog expresses his rational for it.

I can list many program / hosting / design company owners that treat their position as that of sales.

[Xenophage]

Nice read thanks for thoughtfull board input !

[Cory W]

Originally Posted by d00t

hmmmm.... what about 'employees' moving from one sponsor to another and dragging their clients around... any answers to this?

People / corps of real volume hardly move traffic. IMO. Deals are sealed at the highest of levels.

Smaller programs can hire a rep from a larger program and even if that rep moved their traffic, the small program would not be able to handle that volume anyways. Most people don't realize this.

[Cory W]

Thanks Lars and Dave, you two are certainly leaders in the field.

[Sosa]

very good post

[Mako]

Excellent post, agree on all points. The core of the message is "grow up". The industry is getting to a very mature point, it's no longer just throwing up a new program and watching the dollars roll in.

Grow yourself accordingly. Treat it like a real job.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

With all do respect, I disagree.

If you own anything (most businesses, not all), you are in sales. Pimpdog expresses his rational for it.

I can list many program / hosting / design company owners that treat their position as that of sales.

Sure, you have to be polite to customers and potential customers or business partners. However, very few of those care about you not getting along with everyone, as long as you are reliable and helpful in business.

Ofcourse, it's an entirely different thing altogether to not get along with anyone. That is indeed - at least in most cases - ultimately destructive.

[BlackCrayon]

is working for a program still better than a 'real job'? i've always been curious about it but as long as i make money on my own i see no reason to work for someone else. but anyways, solid advice that can be used in other areas as well. even if you are just an affiliate working for yourself you don't want to burn bridges or have someone on your bad side that could of made you some money.

[MrIzzz]

whoa, excellent thread cory, my love....


there are a ton of things you mentioned in this thread that are dead-on true. this is pretty much the same way i went about searching for a good company and when MALLCOM hired me i was extremely pleased.

people forget that this is a job

[Elli]

Excellent post, Cory.

But what is this resume you speak of? ;)

[Thee Johnclave]

Ass-Kisser.

[p1mpdogg]

Originally Posted by JMScore

Ass-Kisser.

he doesnt kiss ass, he is metro sexual often mistaken for ass-fucking..

ive met cory a few times and seen him in action, he isnt an ass kisser. he is a very likable guy that gets along with everyone.

[Dirty D]

Stop Making Sense!

[Aly]

Good stuff, Cory!

P1mpdogg, you, brad, 12clicks, serge and FM (and a few others I can think of) don't rep other people's companies... I'm certain you'd all be fired if you did! LOL..

(That was intended as a compliment.)

[reynold]

Thanks for this worth reading post Cory.

[Sly]

Cory, please check your ICQ. I would love a job with WEG. I can't wait to work from home, drive a company vehicle, and be sent to 6 shows every year. What a fantastic life! Oh, I forgot to mention, I've been in the industry for 10 years!

The people who always brag about their "longevity" in this business always crack me up. I know guys who have been around for 2 years and are macking it pretty hard. Then I know guys who have been around for 6-7 years and have a hard time finding pennies to rub together.

[mahoney]

Well Said

[webgurl]

Originally Posted by Sly

Cory, please check your ICQ. I would love a job with WEG. I can't wait to work from home, drive a company vehicle, and be sent to 6 shows every year. What a fantastic life! Oh, I forgot to mention, I've been in the industry for 10 years!

The people who always brag about their "longevity" in this business always crack me up. I know guys who have been around for 2 years and are macking it pretty hard. Then I know guys who have been around for 6-7 years and have a hard time finding pennies to rub together.

this is sooooo true OMG , u are so right .
Means shit how long u been around , your accomplishments
means everything . Good post Sly

Definitly a thread that hit the nail on the head. I've got an almost indentical mindset.
Another key factor when staying with a company as an affiliate rep/marketing director is that you must be knowledgable with everything traffic wise. You need to know how to deal with bloggers, link list owners, TGP owners, MGP owners, submitters, SEO'ers and whoever else might have traffic. You must also keep in touch with trends and new ways to distribute your content that people will find cutting edge.

[VIPimp]

Originally Posted by Sly

The people who always brag about their "longevity" in this business always crack me up. I know guys who have been around for 2 years and are macking it pretty hard. Then I know guys who have been around for 6-7 years and have a hard time finding pennies to rub together.

So tru

[DavieVegas]

Cory that thrad asking for a job was a year old bumped by some idiot trying to start shit. I did not make that thread since I left lavishcash.com.

[jt420]

Excellent post, thanks for some valuable input on the industry.

[selena]

Great post.

Very informative and thoughtful.

[seeric]

yep. you got a lock on the perspectives. i learned alot of that stuff the hard way. what got me through and into the op of a lifetime was my mainstream attitude and underground promotion abilities. you put it real good cory.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Most importantly...

Working for others is not an option.
If you can prove you can maintain yourself and you're own business that single handedly might be the most attractive aspect for any company interested in hiring you.
If you have no skill's get some and make yourself valueable or worth while before ever approaching a company to assist in thier program.

The whole "Rep Thing" is pointless when the reps are clueless.
Its stupid for the rep and even stupider for the program.

Yes I said "Stupider".

[DaddyHalbucks]

Some good comments.

The tech job market isn't the same as 1999.

Employers want stable and committed exployees, not employees who should BE committed.

Job candidates who make any crazy demands in the early stages of hiring and/ or employment are not great candidates. Job candidates need to sell themselves to the prospective employers, not issue lifestyle demands.

[Kevin2]

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

This Industry is an eCommerce Industry before it is a porn industry, it changes constantly, if you are willing to learn, you will be just fine.

This to me is the most important point of all. Why not branch out into mainstream as well?

[EroticySteve]

Cory, that was awesome. That truly made my night. I'm very glad you hit on many of the points that you did.

I especially want to resonate your feelings regarding this being an eCommerce industry. eCommmerce for some is a 1999 dotcom buzzword, but buzz aside it is still what we are and what this is. eCommerce built on entertainment, sure there are some perks here not available other places, likewise there are some downsides of working here that are not seen in other jobs. All in all this is among the most dynamic of all businesses and it does change at a rapid pace.

Adaptability and compromise are qualities that I seek in hiring people. They must be able to 100mph in one direction, be able to stop on a dime and go 100mph in a different direction at the drop of a hat. Add to this that they must not feel as though they have lost footing by changing direction.

The success of a program too depends in large part how they talk to people, how they treat people and how they encourage people to do more for themselves. There is a selfless aspect of business that some simply don't understand. Always, do the right thing.

[Cory W]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

is working for a program still better than a 'real job'? i've always been curious about it but as long as i make money on my own i see no reason to work for someone else. but anyways, solid advice that can be used in other areas as well. even if you are just an affiliate working for yourself you don't want to burn bridges or have someone on your bad side that could of made you some money.

Many people often label working for yourself as "better" per se. This is a flaw.

Working for yourself requires a business savvy, capital funding (you will make mistakes, health insurance, staff, etc. These things are not easy. Many people would make more income if they worked for a company, they just don't realize it.

That said, I have always tried to do both. I have made some bad business moves on my own, the out of pocket cost for me (when making a mistake) hurts. Health insurance cost a fortune.

Working for someone is often the best stepping stone to running your own business. Learn from those that have the capital to take losses here and there.

[Cory W]

Originally Posted by Sly

Cory, please check your ICQ. I would love a job with WEG. I can't wait to work from home, drive a company vehicle, and be sent to 6 shows every year. What a fantastic life! Oh, I forgot to mention, I've been in the industry for 10 years!

The people who always brag about their "longevity" in this business always crack me up. I know guys who have been around for 2 years and are macking it pretty hard. Then I know guys who have been around for 6-7 years and have a hard time finding pennies to rub together.

Haha...I already made a new thread about this before I read!

[Cory W]

Originally Posted by DavieVegas

Cory that thrad asking for a job was a year old bumped by some idiot trying to start shit. I did not make that thread since I left lavishcash.com.

I was afraid you would think it was directed at you. It was not. However, reading the bumped threads got me thinking.

[Cory W]

Originally Posted by Kevin2

This to me is the most important point of all. Why not branch out into mainstream as well?

I remember watching you learn. You picked up on things very quick.

I hope to do that one day!

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Sly

Cory, please check your ICQ. I would love a job with WEG. I can't wait to work from home, drive a company vehicle, and be sent to 6 shows every year. What a fantastic life! Oh, I forgot to mention, I've been in the industry for 10 years!

The people who always brag about their "longevity" in this business always crack me up. I know guys who have been around for 2 years and are macking it pretty hard. Then I know guys who have been around for 6-7 years and have a hard time finding pennies to rub together.

Hell, I tried to talk Zimm into giving everyone a company car for their 43rd birthday. I'm the only one that old and by the time anyone else got close to that age, he could phase out that benefit He didn't go for it

Great post, btw Cory

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

he doesnt kiss ass, he is metro sexual often mistaken for ass-fucking..

ive met cory a few times and seen him in action, he isnt an ass kisser. he is a very likable guy that gets along with everyone.

John may kinda know Cory too

[Wiggles]

interesting read, not looking for work but still cool to read

[LauraLee]

Wise words Cory and thanks for taking time to post them. I share your views, so this is a very good way to cap off the day.
Have a great one.