who really cares about AVN? It's a corporation which you can do just fine without it.

Hahaha!!! That's right baybee.... now, what was I doing??? :upsidedow


:anon:hi ~Jenni AVN Online

Jenni is an awesome chick! I'm sure she'll be there to make sure AVN maintains the prestige it deserves :)

I was really really pleasently surprised how Florida turned out. Except for the twink side of the pool, but aside from that it was great.

lol, they were in the cabana right next to us.

It was a scene man.

And yes, Florida was great.

Steve Dahling, the feeling is mutual! Muah! :small-smi


:anon:hi~Jenni Dahling AVN Online

I agree with Mike Hawk, Ali just left for a better opportunity. AVN loses employees the same as other large corporations lose them, they just get put in the spotlight for it.

I have no idea what their intentions are for the future. In my opinion, they could make some adjustments to the shows that would vastly improve things; they could also do better in the way of communication; however, they aren't lighting cats on fire over there, that said, they are par for the course in this industry and all good in my book.

Seems lots of stones being thrown in glass houses when it comes to this industry...

Aly got fired?

Be honest,

you posted just to post in this thread.

farley and i talked on the phone. everything is cool. we did what businesses that work together do, we talked it out. water under the bridge. if people are willing to extend their hand to help me in a situation, the smart thing for me to do is take their hand and make it right. it showed class and respect for the client to do that. thanks farley.

Does retail count?! Hmmm... webmasters or crazy women in a shopping frenzy... I think I'll take webmasters! :winkwink: Heehee, thanks KB! :)


:anon:hi Jenni Dahling AVN Online

AVN is just fine by me and I don't they are going out of biz anytime soon no matter what KB says...

They are completely receptive to ideas for improving shows. How many people here have ever picked up the dang phone and called anyone at internext to discuss their issues?

We made an arrangement with them to discount passes for amateurs so don't give me the "all they care about is money" crap because it simply is not true.

True, but as Peaches said, it's more because of the video side. I don't think they're going out of business, but I could see future Internext shows attendance dwindling to the point that there's no incentive for exhibitors or advertisers.

I've never bought into that argument. They have the right to make money as we're all trying to do here. Well some of us at least. I don't begrudge them that at all.

I would like to start a tally of how many people claim they will never go to another AVN show yet go anyway. Or how about a tally of the people acting cool by saying "I'll never go to an AVN show!" yet they never go to ANY shows anyway.

Its really pretty simple. If you enjoy the AVN shows and take business away from them, by all means, go! If you hate the shows and don't take away any business, stay home and bitch about the evil empire that is AVN.

I'll stop going to the Vegas AVN show when I stop having a blast. Do you see that happening anytime soon?

I tend to disagree with Peaches and in my mind the statement "they only care about the video side" is urban myth at best...

To illustrate my point:

AVN ONLINE... the magazine and the site. The focus is on the web industry. They have been around for years and consistently improved.

Internext... the show is still the biggest webmaster draw attendance-wise and caters to the greatest variety of web entrepeneurs. Renee I know for a fact is highly concerned with making the shows affordable and profitable to attendees.

Competing shows and trade rags... they all take shots at AVN because it is undeniably the "400 lb gorilla" and they want to pluck the bananas from the same money tree. The ego factor is huge and every time someone feels slighted by AVN and/or Internext then they run off saying "well I am not going to come back and I will start my own show blah, blah, blah..."

Good post. This isn't rocket science, if you don't enjoy the business, don't advertise or purchase booths / badges.

As long as Silver Cash and CE keep throwing useless cash at these guys, they will make $.

Brad , you must surely know by now that Cash is never useless, SC and Ce must be getting return on their investment or they wouldnt be doing it!

That would explain why I never got an answer from my emails and ICQ from him.

Nice post. I don't agree 100% with your assessment of competing with Internext, but a good post nonetheless.

I have worked with Renee for years and I have never had a complaint. I was glad to see Aly at AVN because she was truly "one of us" and was accessible. She was also someone I had been friends with for years also and was comfortable talking to her.

While there are certainly a lot of companies like Far-L's that are on both the video and internet side, I am sure he sees how they approach both industries and can speak from a different vantage point than most of us and I respect his opinion.

The bottom line is AVN runs a business and its in their interest to improve and grow their business, whether the internet side is the "second most important" division or not. Saying they don't care about the internet side is like saying BradShaw doesn't love his JBM just because SIC Cash is bigger. As a businessman, I just find that logic hard to believe.

I know Aly will be successful in her new venture and I am also sure AVN will continue to be successful also.

Matt

I had the pleasure of meeting Jenni last weekend and I agree, she is a sweety.

http://www.amusedmuse.com/JBMshow/themix/P10100196.jpg

Hone Lynn u hot chick, you! Thank you for the love! Hit me up on icq!

xoxox

~Jenni

Far-L

I don't recall ever saying that AVN is going out of business- I said their marketshare is dwindling.
Let's put the internet aside for a sceond-

Have you seen some of the ads and stories written about in XBIZ?
Perhaps the ads for Digital Playground, or stuff on KBeech and Sin City recently?

When people from the video side of the buiz are starting to buy ads in XBIZ- a primarily Adult/ Internet resource magazine it tells you something-

AVN isn't reaching the people these companies need to be more successful.

And FAR-L you know that Samantha is a very close friend of Paul's...

Far-L that magazine has turned sucko since Tom Hymes left his psoition- he was one of the few who knew what the hell he was talking about.
There is no way you can tell me that the magazine has consistently improved-

Next you are going to tell me they have more ads then when Jen was working there?

The 2 are most of the time related ;)

I agree that Renee is a true profesional, and a true asset to the tradeshow- she is an exception to the rule though-
She isn't just an employee- She gets a taste of the action.

AVN has always done me good, I think Farly is a good guy..

As far as ALy she is an asset I feel to whomever she chooses to make her bread with .

KB you are and will always be a sexybeast.

I have advertised with them for many years and never once did they do a article on me or threw me any extra bone.. But Jen blat did keep the deal sweet and grandfathered me in..

I'm the one who gave them the idea of advertising on the sleeve and was the fisrt to do it with Silvercash. who was standing right next to me when I came up with the idea.. another thing I never got credit for :winkwink:

I always got upset with the same people being interviewed in every issue kinda got stale after 5+ years

"I always got upset with the same people being interviewed in every issue kinda got stale after 5+ years"

Both do this.
It's the Adult Webmaster Poparazzi.

Bleah!

Totally Rinaldo

I like Renee, she has been great to work with for the past few years :thumbsup

While I agree that Aly is a valuable asset to any company it?s quite a leap to assess AVN?s future based on her departure. I don?t recall anyone saying that Python was going out of business when Aly left to do her own thing. It?s completely ridiculous to even attempt to draw any conclusions about any company?s future because a few of their employees left to pursue other endeavors. Especially, when you consider the average turnover rate in this industry. Reps are constantly jumping from one company to the next.

Bottom line, AVN?s been here since the beginning and their not going anywhere. On a more personal note, they?ve always been good to Allie and I long before we ever started advertising with them. Farley always has the time to address any questions or concerns that we have.

Seems these days people are so quick to come running to the boards crying about this company or that company without even bothering to contact the company first and give them an opportunity to address whatever issue they may be having.

Ok, I?m done now, time to head down to the pool for the CCBill party. ;-)

State of Union
 

First, let me say thank you to everyone for their thoughts. As hectic as things have been, I don't often get the chance to read, more or less post on GFY. It's extremely beneficial to get all sides of what our clients and readers feel about our company, the staff, the magazines and the shows. With ongoing input from everyone in the business, we can continue to improve our products and services.

Second, there obviously have been a number of changes at AVN in the past year. I do however feel that they have been positive changes. The feedback on the magazine and avnonline.com site are that Tony Lovett (our new Editor) is doing a great job. Tom Hymes left the magazine in good shape and I feel Tony has gone on to improve the magazine with each issue. The Online staff is extremely dedicated. The look, feel and most importantly the content are all on point. The information is insightful and conducive to helping people do more business. The circulation is up and people are reading it more closely.

As for Internext, I head only glowing responses from attendees and exhibitors about the August show. Everyone said they enjoyed the format and did good business. The show is consistently improving bringing more attendees and exhibitors as well as more newbies and mainstream players. This January show will prove to do the same.

Third, just like everyone else, AVN has its challenges. We all know that it's impossible to please all the people all the time. Our goal at AVNonline / Internext is simple- help webmasters grow their businesses. In the past 24 years, AVN has built up a strong business on the video side. We help our clients? achieve continuing success by branding and marketing through AVN. It is our ongoing focus to provide continued value to webmasters as we do for video companies- In Print, In Person and Online.

Forth, there will always be personnel changes in any business. Like any good business, it's our goal have the most well rounded client-focused individuals servicing our market. We have made some great additions to our teams as well as losing a few. Many of our past employees have gone on to pursue success both in and out of the adult industry. I can speak personally when I say that I wouldn't work for a company for nearly 5 years if I wasn't appreciated and valued.

Fifth, as it's been said in this thread and I agree, everyone should participate with and support those companies that benefit their business objectives.
Everyone here strives everyday to provide and prove value to our readers and clients. Just like our magazines and shows, our competitors serve a purpose in the marketplace. I always encourage people to closely look at all the advertising/exhibiting/branding/marketing opportunities as to which combination will fit their needs.

Lastly I wanted to again say thanks to all the supporters on this thread, those that read Online Magazine and the avnonline site, the attendees and exhibitors. Should anyone have ANY questions, concerns or feedback about any products or services we provide, please contact me personally. I wish everyone a happy, healthy and prosperous (new year for us yids) rest of the year and upcoming new year. I look forward to seeing everyone soon.

Farley
email- [email protected]
AIM- AVNFarley
ICQ- 114058197
p. 818-718-5788

http://www.avnonline.com
http://www.internext-expo.com

KB, ya know i love ya my brother and you are certainly entitled to your opinions... I just don't agree, besides, Tony Lovett is one heck of a smart cookie himself. AVN may not be perfect but they have earned my respect time and time again by doing good biz with us... and trust me... we used to be on the whipping post with them back in the days of Mark Kulkis' reign as editor there. So it is not all about awards and ad dollars for us at all.

There is always going to be turnover in corporate life... take a look at Hustler forpetessake... and there is always going to be disgruntled employees. Fact of life.

JFK....well said! :thumbsup

PS not to piss on anyone's parade- but the newsflash I got confirmed just now is that Jenni Dahling
is Jenni GONE-

She quit already.

:1orglaugh

The sooner AVN realizes that their female sales reps don't need to be flashing boobs to get biz
the better off they will be-

It didn't work with Kimberly and it's obviously didn't work for Jenni Dahling either-
No webmaster cares to be flirted with to get their biz-
They just want solid relationships and people to do what they say they will do-

AVN sucks- and everyone is starting to see this-
I almost don't care to even talk about them anymore-
All I care about is that I am RIGHT-

Someday I hope to be wrong...but in the meantime, I'll keep calling them as I see them..

Are you implying that Jenni was flashing her boobs to drum up business? Or does flashing a smile equate to flashing boobs with you?

My opinion is that she went out of her way to insure that she was not seen as content.