The REVOLUTION has started. Sponsors and webmasters...READ! - GoFuckYourself.com

blackmonsters · 10-05-2005, 02:45 PM

Short Version(cliff notes):

I'm tired of "Branding" your domains with my traffic for peanuts.
So here's what I need and where I'm going.

When I sign up as an affiliate I want:

* A domain hosted on your server for each site I promote
* Downloadable video with the above mentioned domain name emblazed
* No fucking NATS (great tool for you but fucks my money up)

This is the only way I'm going to continue in this business.
I have one sponsor doing this with me now and it has been awesome!

END

Long version:

My fellow affiliates, you are being fucked!
Surfers have become much more sophisticated. They surf many sites and download video then watch them all. They then find the video that they like a lot and type in the domain that is emblazed on the movie and sign up.
You get no credit for those sign ups.

My test:
I took a sponsor site and promoted with banners and links and got zero sign ups. I then got my own doman and "branded" it and the same sponsor site got 20 sign ups in the same time frame from the same traffic.

Why are you not getting sign ups? Because you are branding the sponsors URL but nothing for yourself. Conventional advertising pays big money just to place ads in published content because this is how they "build" their brand. But here you are advertizing for free and introducing the "brand"/URL to the surfers. That's worth money and you aren't getting it. Now turn things around and put you own domains on the content and build your own brand with your traffic and you will get money.

Sign ups down? HAHAHAHAHA! Not for sponsors! Just for you.

The free branding shit is over for me. If enough sponsors don't give me domains on their servers then I will simply get a loan and start my own "Big Sponsor" and supply domains to my affiliates that have traffic.

This biz has a history of webmaster affiliates being fools but the revolution has begun. Stop sending $1000 worth of traffic to a sponsor to make $35.

$35 a sign up? What a fucking joke. If they paid you by the click you would have made $200. But since people cheat like crazy they can't pay by the click. So I say they need to start paying by giving us the branding that we earn by puting up their links. This means simply copying their tours over to domains that are assigned to their affiliates and emblazing video with those domain names. The sponsors who do this for me are going to be the ones who get my traffic and fuck everyone else because they are a waste of time.

Conclusion:

So any sponsor here that will set up a domain with video(domain emblazed) just for me will get their links up today!! Or just give me a domain, server login and I will copy your tours and emblazed the video myself.

ICQ:261930749

Ray Nagin · 10-05-2005, 02:47 PM

I have been doing this for a LOOONG time now ;)

all the people sending to the sponsors domain names are idiots; )

The Truth Hurts · 10-05-2005, 02:51 PM

so you want them to re-encode every video with a new watermark.. for every affiliate, for every site, for every domain...?

Hinc · 10-05-2005, 02:52 PM

Sounds like a reasonable argument actually.

BlackCrayon · 10-05-2005, 02:55 PM

i agree, i've wanted to do this for a while but i don't have the PS skill to make custom logos that will fit in perfectly to replace the other ones.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-05-2005, 02:57 PM

This guy gives me wood.

QuaWee · 10-05-2005, 02:59 PM

great idea, what sponsor is doing this for you?

kenny · 10-05-2005, 03:00 PM

You can always buy the content and put a brand of your choice on it.

Its not like you're sending $1000 worth of traffic for $35 either.

If that was the case payouts would be alot higher as programs are in direct competition with each other.

Compared to mainstream most of the adult affilate programs can be considered generous.

This of course doesn't include the shady programs who manipulate stats or whatever

gornyhuy · 10-05-2005, 03:05 PM

No way this is going to happen...

blackmonsters · 10-05-2005, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

so you want them to re-encode every video with a new watermark.. for every affiliate, for every site, for every domain...?

So they want me to send $10,000 of sign ups for them doing fucking nothing?

>>for every affiliate, for every site, for every domain<<
Hmmmm, kind of like submitting galleries.

I could write a cgi script in 3 hours to do everything with a single click except brand the video. They would have to buy some video editing software and hire an editor who would "pre-do" the vids since they already know what domains they bought.

Affiliates could also be "qualified" just by putting up a link for 2 days so the sponsor can see there is traffic.

Like I said, the industry is full of fucking fools.

pradaboy · 10-05-2005, 03:08 PM

I doubt this is the start of a revolution although you do have a point

blackmonsters · 10-05-2005, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenny

You can always buy the content and put a brand of your choice on it.

Its not like you're sending $1000 worth of traffic for $35 either.

If that was the case payouts would be alot higher as programs are in direct competition with each other.

Compared to mainstream most of the adult affilate programs can be considered generous.

This of course doesn't include the shady programs who manipulate stats or whatever

Yeah and after I buy the content why fuck with the sponsor at all when I can just plug in my ccbill webmaster account to a tour and pay myself.
The reason I use a sponsor is because they are doing things for me that help me concentrate on traffic. If I have to buy every thing and build everything then I don't need the sponsor.

Quality_Adult_Traffic · 10-05-2005, 03:15 PM

Kind of a lurker here, but you forced me to post.

I think what you need to do is start shooting your own content and start your own program.

Affiliates already make more than sponsors can afford in alot of situations.

They pay for the content.
They pay for the hosting.
They pay for the processing.
They pay for the free servers given to you to promote.
They pay for the customer support for members.
They assume the liability and fraud.
They risk being prosecuted by the government.
They pay countless employees to process and make all that free promo stuff you use.
They pay to ship checks out.
They pay to send epassporte.
They pay for advertising so the site stands as a brand and is worthy of promoting.

You send just the traffic and make half or more of the customer.

Sounds fair to me.

fuzzylogic · 10-05-2005, 03:22 PM

holy shit, ur right! i'm an idiot.
it never occured to me that i am branding other ppl websites for free.

time to buy some domains.

Quality_Adult_Traffic · 10-05-2005, 03:23 PM

On another note, anyone who gives out their content to other people with another domain embedded in it is not intelligent. Once content is out there, its out there. A sad state this business is turning into.

Basic_man · 10-05-2005, 03:24 PM

You don't trust in NATS ?? What the hell ???

Ordo · 10-05-2005, 03:24 PM

Sounds like a pipe dream to me honestly.

I understand the point, but you said the sponsor is doing nothing..??

What?

It takes time and costs money to come up with the content, to create the programs, to market the programs and get affiliates on board to promote them.

What you want is a sponsor to do everything for you, on top of what they already have to do. You honestly think a sponsor can do what your asking for 100-400 affiliates, PER program?

If your job is to make money from promoting sponsors, then it's up to you to purchase the rights to place your domain on the content your promoting in hopes of making money. In essence, you want to franchise a sponsor. That comes with up front fees for licensing etc.

So, if you want to franchise a sponsor, hire a staff of your own, buy some licensing rights to brand a sponsors content and get busy.

blackmonsters · 10-05-2005, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Quality_Adult_Traffic

Kind of a lurker here, but you forced me to post.

I think what you need to do is start shooting your own content and start your own program.

Affiliates already make more than sponsors can afford in alot of situations.

They pay for the content.
They pay for the hosting.
They pay for the processing.
They pay for the free servers given to you to promote.
They pay for the customer support for members.
They assume the liability and fraud.
They risk being prosecuted by the government.
They pay countless employees to process and make all that free promo stuff you use.
They pay to ship checks out.
They pay to send epassporte.
They pay for advertising so the site stands as a brand and is worthy of promoting.

You send just the traffic and make half or more of the customer.

Sounds fair to me.

You really are a lurker since webmaster do everything you listed for sponsors.

"You send just traffic"

You think I can do this for free? If so then you know nothing about this biz and shoud stop posting.
I can burn $100 of band width posting galleries for the sponsor(from content I bought) and not make a dime.

BlackCrayon · 10-05-2005, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Basic_man

You don't trust in NATS ?? What the hell ???

yeah, id like to hear his opinion on that. seems everyone is switching over to them these days.

Quality_Adult_Traffic · 10-05-2005, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

You really are a lurker since webmaster do everything you listed for sponsors.

"You send just traffic"

You think I can do this for free? If so then you know nothing about this biz and shoud stop posting.
I can burn $100 of band width posting galleries for the sponsor(from content I bought) and not make a dime.

So what happened to the dedicated server the sponsor gave you? You're right I know nothing. I am going to stop posting now.

I forgot to mention on my list that sponsors have to pay rent and electricity for the employees who work for them and crazy expenditures at trade shows.

blackmonsters · 10-05-2005, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quality_Adult_Traffic

On another note, anyone who gives out their content to other people with another domain embedded in it is not intelligent. Once content is out there, its out there. A sad state this business is turning into.

The sponsor will own the domains and they will be on their server. So they would not be stupid. They would only be sharing the branding with the affiliate that sent all the traffic. They would also be branding many domains instead of just one and that would be smart for them.

PlugRush Sascha · 10-05-2005, 03:40 PM

Revolution? No. Exaggerated a little? Yes. Good idea? Yes.

blackmonsters · 10-05-2005, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

yeah, id like to hear his opinion on that. seems everyone is switching over to them these days.

My opinion of NATS is that it's the perfect sponsor tool.
Take a minute and think about that.

Dragnet · 10-05-2005, 03:50 PM

Some companies have spent millions on branding for their product, now you want them to brand it for you as well on their dollar?

Are you willing to take a cut in how much is paid to you if they do this work for you?

blackmonsters · 10-05-2005, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ktj4l

Revolution? No. Exaggerated a little? Yes. Good idea? Yes.

And you clicked into this thread because I said "New Ok thought please click"

justsexxx · 10-05-2005, 03:52 PM

As you proberly know, custom content is FAR from cheap. When we won't add a watermark, every "cheating" proram would add our movies. So we have to add this watermark...When we would have to watermark it for EVERY webmaster, you can imagine, we won't have time to update our solid memberarea's since they are more then thousands of webmasters..

Also, 35 USD per sale/rebill. We pay 50% clean, so 17.50 USD for YOU. For sending the sale

so 17.50 for US. Now processing fees. Let's say 14% means 12.60 per sale left.

Also ccbill holds a reserve...So a big amount of the sum, we will see much later btw...

So, this 12.60 USD has to cover our CONTENT. Our stable servers for paysites/tours, but also stable hosting for our FHG's, freehosting etc, and of course our employees.

I'm not arguing here with you. I'm just showing you, that a paysite program has to survive as well...

pawsregd · 10-05-2005, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

My opinion of NATS is that it's the perfect sponsor tool.
Take a minute and think about that.

I was just about to post that

After Shock Media · 10-05-2005, 04:06 PM

First you want a hosted domain and you also want downloadable videos, why if its already hosted for you now on that domain?

Now onto the theme of the post.
You want the sponsor to pay for everything, pay for someone to re-encode videos just for you, take full legal liability for what you put on your free hosted domain, allow you to put all of their material under your brand, and still pay you at least half if not some large PPS amount?

Hmm, maybe nike shoes should allow the comissioned shoe salesmen to have custom shoes with his name on them instead of nike's. Hell he sells the stuff, has to put up with peoples feet all day and hell if he owns the store he also has to either rent or buy the location.

You may get some sponsor to bite on your offer. Though you better be a fucking huge whale or find a sponsor desperate enough to do everything for you. If they are going to go through all of the added expense and then some just to cater to you, think for a second and ask yourself when will they just say fuck it lets hire some in house promoters and save the money.

AmateurFlix · 10-05-2005, 04:06 PM

I'm wondering what your issue is with NATS as well.

When I send hits to a site using for instance CCBill as the processor, they click on a link code with my affiliate ID but when they arrive at the site it is a plain url.

So if they bookmark the site, when they return they just go to www.paysite.com and I lose out on the referall.

If I send it to a NATS program, when they bookmark the site the url is in the format www.paysite.com/encodedrefcode/ and when they return I still get credit for the referall.

This adds up to a LOT.

Most people don't buy memberships the first time they visit a site. Some do, but most will either bookmark the site and buy a membership later or just type in the url next time they visit. I would estimate less than 50% of the sales come from a spontaneous referall, the rest are from bookmarks or type ins.

Chris · 10-05-2005, 04:10 PM

lol atleast he speaks his mind ;)

PMdave · 10-05-2005, 04:12 PM

Glad to see I'm ot the onlone who finds the whole "market a great name" (cams.com for instance) fishy

Rui · 10-05-2005, 04:16 PM

Not going to happen, like Andre and Ordo explained.

This would work in a "ideal world" but we live in a fucked up world so this would bring in the end even more trouble and problems to the programs (for some reason I don't think you know the sort of expenses involved in running a big program)

just my 0.02 eurocents

Rui · 10-05-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PMdave

Glad to see I'm ot the onlone who finds the whole "market a great name" (cams.com for instance) fishy

In that case its quite obvious that you are doing some hardcore extra promotion for the company/program

PlugRush Sascha · 10-05-2005, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

And you clicked into this thread because I said "New Ok thought please click"

Hell, I like you! You can come over to my house and fuck my sister!

Drop your cocks and grab your socks, ladies!

blackmonsters · 10-05-2005, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

First you want a hosted domain and you also want downloadable videos, why if its already hosted for you now on that domain?

Now onto the theme of the post.
You want the sponsor to pay for everything, pay for someone to re-encode videos just for you, take full legal liability for what you put on your free hosted domain, allow you to put all of their material under your brand, and still pay you at least half if not some large PPS amount?

Hmm, maybe nike shoes should allow the comissioned shoe salesmen to have custom shoes with his name on them instead of nike's. Hell he sells the stuff, has to put up with peoples feet all day and hell if he owns the store he also has to either rent or buy the location.

You may get some sponsor to bite on your offer. Though you better be a fucking huge whale or find a sponsor desperate enough to do everything for you. If they are going to go through all of the added expense and then some just to cater to you, think for a second and ask yourself when will they just say fuck it lets hire some in house promoters and save the money.

You should read what I said a little better. I don't put the site on my server or freehost. I would do that but the sponsor most likely doesn't want to do that.

Do some math. If I send 1000 hits to their tour then that is the same bandwidth for them when I send 1000 hits to "my tour" they are hosting.
They are not spending more money to host a domain for me they are just using more server space for another tour; which is fucking nothing.

>>hire some in house promoters<<

Now that's some funny shit!!!
Oh please hire 100 in house promoters with no fucking traffic so I can die laughing. I'm trying to figure how a sponsor can pay a webmaster to promote when the webmaster is only going to produce $50 a month in signups.

3piece chicken Dinner · 10-05-2005, 04:21 PM

OK , Move on i wouldn't care to have you as an affilaite at that price.

best of luck in your search however.

PlugRush Sascha · 10-05-2005, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Oh please hire 100 in house promoters with no fucking traffic so I can die laughing.

I'm gonna shit myself!

Nysus · 10-05-2005, 04:25 PM

There are many different models; I agree that sponsors can afford to pay much more than $35 ...

I'll keep my thoughts to myself for now though..

Matt

After Shock Media · 10-05-2005, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

>>hire some in house promoters<<

Now that's some funny shit!!!
Oh please hire 100 in house promoters with no fucking traffic so I can die laughing. I'm trying to figure how a sponsor can pay a webmaster to promote when the webmaster is only going to produce $50 a month in signups.

Yeah I guess your right. Learning how to promote sites is just to damn hard and could never be taught to someone. Hell it took everyone here at gfy years of research and schooling to figure out how to promote sponsors.
If a sponsor can not show someone how to produce more than 50, hell more than 1000 a month in signups then they already have a problem to begin with.

Rui · 10-05-2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Yeah I guess your right. Learning how to promote sites is just to damn hard and could never be taught to someone. Hell it took everyone here at gfy years of research and schooling to figure out how to promote sponsors.
If a sponsor can not show someone how to produce more than 50, hell more than 1000 a month in signups then they already have a problem to begin with.

Like every "art" it takes time to achive "perfection" (like if such thing existed)

i.e.

just messing with you

andrej_NDC · 10-05-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Surfers have become much more sophisticated. They surf many sites and download video then watch them all. They then find the video that they like a lot and type in the domain that is emblazed on the movie and sign up. You get no credit for those sign ups.

NextDoorcash pays affiliates for such sign-up, if the surfer signs-up within 90 days(I dont think he needs more time to decide).

bigdog · 10-05-2005, 04:35 PM

Many sponsor already factor in those type in sales into their pps numbers. Some programs just proably do a lot more type in joins then others based on their content and domain name

NetRodent · 10-05-2005, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Now that's some funny shit!!!
Oh please hire 100 in house promoters with no fucking traffic so I can die laughing. I'm trying to figure how a sponsor can pay a webmaster to promote when the webmaster is only going to produce $50 a month in signups.

You can do quite well with no affiliates and have far fewer headaches.

blackmonsters · 10-05-2005, 04:56 PM

Well, although I made a big production in state what I wanted it very simple and part of the evoution of this biz.

5 years ago a sponsor would have said "fuck you make your own galleries".
But look at all the FHGs now.

And like I said, I am already doing this with a sponsor. They offered it to me when I asked about putting the 2257 info on my domain. They were happy to do it because it doesn't cost them more bandwidth than if I sent my traffic to their domain instead.

Of course this is only worth it for sponsors that convert. Gee; guess which kind of sponsors I'm looking for.

jayeff · 10-05-2005, 05:06 PM

When was it, 6 or 7 years ago that freehosts first appeared? And almost immediately the common advice on the boards (rightly) was don't use them unless you had no choice or a very specific need. Traffic leaks and loss of traffic control were cited among the reasons.

Yet here we are now, content and hosting prices have never been lower, traffic is more valuable than ever, and people are signing up in droves for freebies from sponsors which have all the drawbacks of old-style free hosting.

That said, while I don't see anything wrong in principle with trying to get more out of sponsors, I suspect we are close to the point that them giving with one hand will mean taking back with the other, like the way banks provide free checking accounts by increasing other charges. The biggest sites may still have some wiggle room: the problem is that if smaller sites do not appear to offer as much to affiliates, few are willing to sell them.

And there is another way to look at this and related issues...

If there is any validity in the statement that many "pro" affiliates provide their own content, designs, hosting, etc, etc, then by extension, the primary beneficiaries of the sponsor-provided freebies are non-pros: webmasters who if not in this business just for the short-term (college kids etc), at least have only a short-term view. Which in turn means that far from helping pro webmasters, the most generous sponsors are helping create competition for them.

In other words, far from encouraging sponsors to give more away, it might be more sensible for pro webmasters to try to persuade them to do less.

seeric · 10-05-2005, 05:14 PM

i'd probably do it on an individual basis. i would have to host the domain and be able to keep control of my content.

BlackCrayon · 10-05-2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

First you want a hosted domain and you also want downloadable videos, why if its already hosted for you now on that domain?

Now onto the theme of the post.
You want the sponsor to pay for everything, pay for someone to re-encode videos just for you, take full legal liability for what you put on your free hosted domain, allow you to put all of their material under your brand, and still pay you at least half if not some large PPS amount?

Hmm, maybe nike shoes should allow the comissioned shoe salesmen to have custom shoes with his name on them instead of nike's. Hell he sells the stuff, has to put up with peoples feet all day and hell if he owns the store he also has to either rent or buy the location.

You may get some sponsor to bite on your offer. Though you better be a fucking huge whale or find a sponsor desperate enough to do everything for you. If they are going to go through all of the added expense and then some just to cater to you, think for a second and ask yourself when will they just say fuck it lets hire some in house promoters and save the money.

yes, it does sound like a lot and i'd sooner prefer to do it all myself than have the sponsor do it but you have to admit, making 0 sales and then 20 sales on the same thing is a huge huge difference. a lot of dating sites already offer co-branding. and the byot is another example of custom tours with its own name typically.

After Shock Media · 10-05-2005, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

yes, it does sound like a lot and i'd sooner prefer to do it all myself than have the sponsor do it but you have to admit, making 0 sales and then 20 sales on the same thing is a huge huge difference. a lot of dating sites already offer co-branding. and the byot is another example of custom tours with its own name typically.

Certain types of items can and should be co-branded such as toy sites, dating, and other. Will get no argument from me on that one.
BYOT is also very acceptable, I would have no problem whatsoever with someone building a tour that represented the content and had a sponsor host it. Problem is when the bulk of the work switches over to the sponsor and not the promoter in those instances. Example would be sort of a BYOT where the sponsor had to build the tour for you.

daveylapoo · 10-05-2005, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

yes, it does sound like a lot and i'd sooner prefer to do it all myself than have the sponsor do it but you have to admit, making 0 sales and then 20 sales on the same thing is a huge huge difference. a lot of dating sites already offer co-branding. and the byot is another example of custom tours with its own name typically.

It's silly to suggest a sponsor doing what you ask for every affiliate, but if you can prove you have traffic and can generate some decent sales, why not hit up a specific sponsor with your ideas.

The BYOT thing is likely the best example of which you speak. It requires more 'grunt' work than you may wish to do, however, there are ways around everything. It's far from an original idea, but some new companies have really put an interesting spin on it.

You watch that idea evolve...

blackmonsters · 10-05-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

a lot of dating sites already offer co-branding. and the byot is another example of custom tours with its own name typically

You got that right. The only thing I'm really saying differrent than BYOT is the webmaster need not build anything...just copy the main tour and change the domain.
A hosted BYOT is basically all my idea is but with branded video.

Basically I only want a sponsor that will let me brand their video when promoting their site. I can host myself. Of course I need 2257 info and that's the only reason the sponsor should host. When the sponsor does the hosting they have more security for how their content/name is used and they probably would rather do that.

And believe me; I am not BS'ing about the 0 to 20 sales. Just try it yourself for a month. The key is to emblaze your domain on the video. Let people hot link it too. I did and I loved it!

10-05-2005, 02:45 PM	#1
blackmonsters Making PHP work Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: 🌎🌅🌈🌇 Posts: 20,589	The REVOLUTION has started. Sponsors and webmasters...READ! Short Version(cliff notes): I'm tired of "Branding" your domains with my traffic for peanuts. So here's what I need and where I'm going. When I sign up as an affiliate I want: * A domain hosted on your server for each site I promote * Downloadable video with the above mentioned domain name emblazed * No fucking NATS (great tool for you but fucks my money up) This is the only way I'm going to continue in this business. I have one sponsor doing this with me now and it has been awesome! END Long version: My fellow affiliates, you are being fucked! Surfers have become much more sophisticated. They surf many sites and download video then watch them all. They then find the video that they like a lot and type in the domain that is emblazed on the movie and sign up. You get no credit for those sign ups. My test: I took a sponsor site and promoted with banners and links and got zero sign ups. I then got my own doman and "branded" it and the same sponsor site got 20 sign ups in the same time frame from the same traffic. Why are you not getting sign ups? Because you are branding the sponsors URL but nothing for yourself. Conventional advertising pays big money just to place ads in published content because this is how they "build" their brand. But here you are advertizing for free and introducing the "brand"/URL to the surfers. That's worth money and you aren't getting it. Now turn things around and put you own domains on the content and build your own brand with your traffic and you will get money. Sign ups down? HAHAHAHAHA! Not for sponsors! Just for you. The free branding shit is over for me. If enough sponsors don't give me domains on their servers then I will simply get a loan and start my own "Big Sponsor" and supply domains to my affiliates that have traffic. This biz has a history of webmaster affiliates being fools but the revolution has begun. Stop sending $1000 worth of traffic to a sponsor to make $35. $35 a sign up? What a fucking joke. If they paid you by the click you would have made $200. But since people cheat like crazy they can't pay by the click. So I say they need to start paying by giving us the branding that we earn by puting up their links. This means simply copying their tours over to domains that are assigned to their affiliates and emblazing video with those domain names. The sponsors who do this for me are going to be the ones who get my traffic and fuck everyone else because they are a waste of time. Conclusion: So any sponsor here that will set up a domain with video(domain emblazed) just for me will get their links up today!! Or just give me a domain, server login and I will copy your tours and emblazed the video myself. ICQ:261930749 __________________ Get paid, get tools, get going with Camsoda Join Chaturbate get your cut of the pie

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	This guy gives me wood. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

10-05-2005, 02:51 PM	#3
The Truth Hurts Zph7YXfjMhg Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In Your Skull Posts: 15,304	so you want them to re-encode every video with a new watermark.. for every affiliate, for every site, for every domain...?

10-05-2005, 02:59 PM	#7
QuaWee Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: boogers Posts: 5,791	great idea, what sponsor is doing this for you? __________________ i luv mainstream

10-05-2005, 03:00 PM	#8
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	You can always buy the content and put a brand of your choice on it. Its not like you're sending $1000 worth of traffic for $35 either. If that was the case payouts would be alot higher as programs are in direct competition with each other. Compared to mainstream most of the adult affilate programs can be considered generous. This of course doesn't include the shady programs who manipulate stats or whatever __________________ 7

10-05-2005, 03:05 PM	#9
gornyhuy Chafed. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Face Down in Pussy Posts: 18,041	No way this is going to happen... __________________ icq:159548293

10-05-2005, 03:08 PM	#11
pradaboy sell me your banners Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: on the tubes Posts: 12,931	I doubt this is the start of a revolution although you do have a point __________________ Media Buyer - Sell me your traffic! FREE to register domains... Better than 99% of the crap sold here!

10-05-2005, 03:15 PM	#13
Quality_Adult_Traffic Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 19	Kind of a lurker here, but you forced me to post. I think what you need to do is start shooting your own content and start your own program. Affiliates already make more than sponsors can afford in alot of situations. They pay for the content. They pay for the hosting. They pay for the processing. They pay for the free servers given to you to promote. They pay for the customer support for members. They assume the liability and fraud. They risk being prosecuted by the government. They pay countless employees to process and make all that free promo stuff you use. They pay to ship checks out. They pay to send epassporte. They pay for advertising so the site stands as a brand and is worthy of promoting. You send just the traffic and make half or more of the customer. Sounds fair to me. Last edited by Quality_Adult_Traffic; 10-05-2005 at 03:16 PM..

10-05-2005, 03:22 PM	#14
fuzzylogic Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: buffalo, las vegas. icq: 285808879 Posts: 4,796	holy shit, ur right! i'm an idiot. it never occured to me that i am branding other ppl websites for free. time to buy some domains.

10-05-2005, 03:23 PM	#15
Quality_Adult_Traffic Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 19	On another note, anyone who gives out their content to other people with another domain embedded in it is not intelligent. Once content is out there, its out there. A sad state this business is turning into.

10-05-2005, 03:24 PM	#16
Basic_man Programming King Pin Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 27,360	You don't trust in NATS ?? What the hell ??? __________________ UUGallery Builder - automated photo/video gallery plugin for Wordpress! Stop looking! Checkout Naked Hosting, online since 1999 !

10-05-2005, 03:24 PM	#17
Ordo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,186	Sounds like a pipe dream to me honestly. I understand the point, but you said the sponsor is doing nothing..?? What? It takes time and costs money to come up with the content, to create the programs, to market the programs and get affiliates on board to promote them. What you want is a sponsor to do everything for you, on top of what they already have to do. You honestly think a sponsor can do what your asking for 100-400 affiliates, PER program? If your job is to make money from promoting sponsors, then it's up to you to purchase the rights to place your domain on the content your promoting in hopes of making money. In essence, you want to franchise a sponsor. That comes with up front fees for licensing etc. So, if you want to franchise a sponsor, hire a staff of your own, buy some licensing rights to brand a sponsors content and get busy. __________________ Savor Premium Affiliate Area Here

10-05-2005, 03:40 PM	#22
PlugRush Sascha Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 2,772	Revolution? No. Exaggerated a little? Yes. Good idea? Yes. __________________ Plugrush - Push ads, native ads, banners & pops. Buy & sell adult and mainstream traffic. Skype plugrushsascha

10-05-2005, 03:50 PM	#24
Dragnet Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 733	Some companies have spent millions on branding for their product, now you want them to brand it for you as well on their dollar? Are you willing to take a cut in how much is paid to you if they do this work for you? __________________ No I Won't Show You My Tits - FUCKOFF You Asshole!

10-05-2005, 03:52 PM	#26
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	As you proberly know, custom content is FAR from cheap. When we won't add a watermark, every "cheating" proram would add our movies. So we have to add this watermark...When we would have to watermark it for EVERY webmaster, you can imagine, we won't have time to update our solid memberarea's since they are more then thousands of webmasters.. Also, 35 USD per sale/rebill. We pay 50% clean, so 17.50 USD for YOU. For sending the sale so 17.50 for US. Now processing fees. Let's say 14% means 12.60 per sale left. Also ccbill holds a reserve...So a big amount of the sum, we will see much later btw... So, this 12.60 USD has to cover our CONTENT. Our stable servers for paysites/tours, but also stable hosting for our FHG's, freehosting etc, and of course our employees. I'm not arguing here with you. I'm just showing you, that a paysite program has to survive as well... __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

10-05-2005, 04:06 PM	#28
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	First you want a hosted domain and you also want downloadable videos, why if its already hosted for you now on that domain? Now onto the theme of the post. You want the sponsor to pay for everything, pay for someone to re-encode videos just for you, take full legal liability for what you put on your free hosted domain, allow you to put all of their material under your brand, and still pay you at least half if not some large PPS amount? Hmm, maybe nike shoes should allow the comissioned shoe salesmen to have custom shoes with his name on them instead of nike's. Hell he sells the stuff, has to put up with peoples feet all day and hell if he owns the store he also has to either rent or buy the location. You may get some sponsor to bite on your offer. Though you better be a fucking huge whale or find a sponsor desperate enough to do everything for you. If they are going to go through all of the added expense and then some just to cater to you, think for a second and ask yourself when will they just say fuck it lets hire some in house promoters and save the money. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

10-05-2005, 04:06 PM	#29
AmateurFlix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 7,762	I'm wondering what your issue is with NATS as well. When I send hits to a site using for instance CCBill as the processor, they click on a link code with my affiliate ID but when they arrive at the site it is a plain url. So if they bookmark the site, when they return they just go to www.paysite.com and I lose out on the referall. If I send it to a NATS program, when they bookmark the site the url is in the format www.paysite.com/encodedrefcode/ and when they return I still get credit for the referall. This adds up to a LOT. Most people don't buy memberships the first time they visit a site. Some do, but most will either bookmark the site and buy a membership later or just type in the url next time they visit. I would estimate less than 50% of the sales come from a spontaneous referall, the rest are from bookmarks or type ins. __________________

10-05-2005, 04:10 PM	#30
Chris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: icq: 71462500 Skype: Jupzchris Posts: 27,880	lol atleast he speaks his mind ;) __________________ [email protected]

10-05-2005, 04:12 PM	#31
PMdave Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,517	Glad to see I'm ot the onlone who finds the whole "market a great name" (cams.com for instance) fishy

10-05-2005, 04:16 PM	#32
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	Not going to happen, like Andre and Ordo explained. This would work in a "ideal world" but we live in a fucked up world so this would bring in the end even more trouble and problems to the programs (for some reason I don't think you know the sort of expenses involved in running a big program) just my 0.02 eurocents

10-05-2005, 04:21 PM	#36
3piece chicken Dinner Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: On your plate Posts: 1,065	OK , Move on i wouldn't care to have you as an affilaite at that price. best of luck in your search however. __________________ "We are told to let our light shine, and if it does, we won't need to tell anybody it does. Lighthouses don't fire cannons to call attention to their shining- they just shine."

10-05-2005, 04:25 PM	#38
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	There are many different models; I agree that sponsors can afford to pay much more than $35 ... I'll keep my thoughts to myself for now though.. Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

10-05-2005, 04:35 PM	#42
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	Many sponsor already factor in those type in sales into their pps numbers. Some programs just proably do a lot more type in joins then others based on their content and domain name

10-05-2005, 04:56 PM	#44
blackmonsters Making PHP work Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: 🌎🌅🌈🌇 Posts: 20,589	Well, although I made a big production in state what I wanted it very simple and part of the evoution of this biz. 5 years ago a sponsor would have said "fuck you make your own galleries". But look at all the FHGs now. And like I said, I am already doing this with a sponsor. They offered it to me when I asked about putting the 2257 info on my domain. They were happy to do it because it doesn't cost them more bandwidth than if I sent my traffic to their domain instead. Of course this is only worth it for sponsors that convert. Gee; guess which kind of sponsors I'm looking for. __________________ Get paid, get tools, get going with Camsoda Join Chaturbate get your cut of the pie

10-05-2005, 05:06 PM	#45
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	When was it, 6 or 7 years ago that freehosts first appeared? And almost immediately the common advice on the boards (rightly) was don't use them unless you had no choice or a very specific need. Traffic leaks and loss of traffic control were cited among the reasons. Yet here we are now, content and hosting prices have never been lower, traffic is more valuable than ever, and people are signing up in droves for freebies from sponsors which have all the drawbacks of old-style free hosting. That said, while I don't see anything wrong in principle with trying to get more out of sponsors, I suspect we are close to the point that them giving with one hand will mean taking back with the other, like the way banks provide free checking accounts by increasing other charges. The biggest sites may still have some wiggle room: the problem is that if smaller sites do not appear to offer as much to affiliates, few are willing to sell them. And there is another way to look at this and related issues... If there is any validity in the statement that many "pro" affiliates provide their own content, designs, hosting, etc, etc, then by extension, the primary beneficiaries of the sponsor-provided freebies are non-pros: webmasters who if not in this business just for the short-term (college kids etc), at least have only a short-term view. Which in turn means that far from helping pro webmasters, the most generous sponsors are helping create competition for them. In other words, far from encouraging sponsors to give more away, it might be more sensible for pro webmasters to try to persuade them to do less.

10-05-2005, 05:14 PM	#46
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	i'd probably do it on an individual basis. i would have to host the domain and be able to keep control of my content.