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Kevin2

10-13-2005 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

This Industry is an eCommerce Industry before it is a porn industry, it changes constantly, if you are willing to learn, you will be just fine.

This to me is the most important point of all. Why not branch out into mainstream as well? :thumbsup

EroticySteve

10-13-2005 07:22 PM

Cory, that was awesome. That truly made my night. I'm very glad you hit on many of the points that you did.

I especially want to resonate your feelings regarding this being an eCommerce industry. eCommmerce for some is a 1999 dotcom buzzword, but buzz aside it is still what we are and what this is. eCommerce built on entertainment, sure there are some perks here not available other places, likewise there are some downsides of working here that are not seen in other jobs. All in all this is among the most dynamic of all businesses and it does change at a rapid pace.

Adaptability and compromise are qualities that I seek in hiring people. They must be able to 100mph in one direction, be able to stop on a dime and go 100mph in a different direction at the drop of a hat. Add to this that they must not feel as though they have lost footing by changing direction.

The success of a program too depends in large part how they talk to people, how they treat people and how they encourage people to do more for themselves. There is a selfless aspect of business that some simply don't understand. Always, do the right thing.

Cory W

10-13-2005 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

is working for a program still better than a 'real job'? i've always been curious about it but as long as i make money on my own i see no reason to work for someone else. but anyways, solid advice that can be used in other areas as well. even if you are just an affiliate working for yourself you don't want to burn bridges or have someone on your bad side that could of made you some money.

Many people often label working for yourself as "better" per se. This is a flaw.

Working for yourself requires a business savvy, capital funding (you will make mistakes, health insurance, staff, etc. These things are not easy. Many people would make more income if they worked for a company, they just don't realize it.

That said, I have always tried to do both. I have made some bad business moves on my own, the out of pocket cost for me (when making a mistake) hurts. Health insurance cost a fortune.

Working for someone is often the best stepping stone to running your own business. Learn from those that have the capital to take losses here and there.

Cory W

10-13-2005 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

Cory, please check your ICQ. I would love a job with WEG. I can't wait to work from home, drive a company vehicle, and be sent to 6 shows every year. What a fantastic life! Oh, I forgot to mention, I've been in the industry for 10 years!

The people who always brag about their "longevity" in this business always crack me up. I know guys who have been around for 2 years and are macking it pretty hard. Then I know guys who have been around for 6-7 years and have a hard time finding pennies to rub together.

Haha...I already made a new thread about this before I read!

Cory W

10-13-2005 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavieVegas

Cory that thrad asking for a job was a year old bumped by some idiot trying to start shit. I did not make that thread since I left lavishcash.com.

I was afraid you would think it was directed at you. It was not. However, reading the bumped threads got me thinking.

Cory W

10-13-2005 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin2

This to me is the most important point of all. Why not branch out into mainstream as well? :thumbsup

I remember watching you learn. You picked up on things very quick.

I hope to do that one day!

Peaches

10-13-2005 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

Hell, I tried to talk Zimm into giving everyone a company car for their 43rd birthday. I'm the only one that old and by the time anyone else got close to that age, he could phase out that benefit :) He didn't go for it :(

Great post, btw Cory :)

Peaches

10-13-2005 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

he doesnt kiss ass, he is metro sexual often mistaken for ass-fucking..

ive met cory a few times and seen him in action, he isnt an ass kisser. he is a very likable guy that gets along with everyone.

John may kinda know Cory too :thumbsup

Wiggles

10-13-2005 09:00 PM

interesting read, not looking for work but still cool to read :)

LauraLee

10-13-2005 09:04 PM

Wise words Cory and thanks for taking time to post them. I share your views, so this is a very good way to cap off the day.
Have a great one.

Evil Doer

10-13-2005 09:04 PM

50....... :bigears

LauraLee

10-13-2005 09:05 PM

EDIT: nevamind! lol night all :)

adultchica

10-13-2005 09:05 PM

Great information, Cory.

Doctor Dre

10-13-2005 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

you had me till i read that part

How to present yourself:

1) Avoid arguing with everyone, or posting nonsensical items at every opportunity. Just try to get along with everyone. No one cares about your dogma. But big companies looking to hire someone will always care about someone?s ability to get along with others. (That isn?t limited to this industry). I have been called an ass-kisser for the way I dress at shows and the way I try to get along with everyone. Well welcome to the real world, most of the people that say things like that make less money. That is life.

id be nothing without my attitude, nor would brad, or that fag 12clicks or serge or FM.. I could name a ton that made themselves successful by pissing off people.. made some enemies too, but thats all part of the game..

not saying you are wrong when it comes to an employee, but as an employer, i have to disagree..

did any of this make sense? I just read what i wrote, and i feel more stupid now

He's talking about employse ... most of them making 50k a year...

Doctor Dre

10-13-2005 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

With all do respect, I disagree.

If you own anything (most businesses, not all), you are in sales. Pimpdog expresses his rational for it.

I can list many program / hosting / design company owners that treat their position as that of sales.

You forget one thing ... there are TONS of affiliates making a living at this ... probably more people then program owners / workers . It's thoses people he's talking about . The regular guy that makes his 700 bucks a week and is happy with not having to work in an office.

You are totally right about the employe part ... for most people ;)

Lensman

10-13-2005 09:16 PM

Cory, good shit. When are you joining Playboy?

Peaches

10-13-2005 09:20 PM

Honestly, when I was living completely on my freesites I didn't have to be nice to anyone - I was the customer. And the more traffic you have, the bigger asshole you can be and still do megabusiness. It's one of the few self employed jobs where you can get away with it, but it's true :)

GTS Mark

10-13-2005 09:32 PM

God did you ever hit this nail right on the head Cory! :)

Glad to see I'm not the only program owner that has to deal with this insane kind of reasoning when I am thinking of hiring within the industry.

DH

GTS Mark

10-13-2005 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

Trey, you and I get along just fine and I respect you for what you have done in this industry but quite honestly I know people that would'nt touch you with a 10 foot pole because of your attitude and how you handle yourself on the boards.

This is not a slam, this is just a simple observation from someone that does alot of business with adult webmasters.

I'm obviously far from the most professional person on the boards but the way the industry is going is consolidation and I feel alot of the unprofessional people will get the boot over the next couple of years.

I'm sure you will dismiss this post but hey sometimes you get more bears with honey than with vinegar ;)

DH

P.S. Pimpdog I still love you :)

p1mpdogg

10-13-2005 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDER

there is a reason why Jim is the head of epiccash now and not me....

hint hint :)

i really have nothing todo with it anymore, and thats the truth..

I have other things going on, and Jim is doing an excellent job at getting those ppl that wont touch me with a 10 foot pole..

epiccash is strong, and growing and thats a fact

GTS Mark

10-13-2005 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

Well kudos to you buddy, you have built a successful business in a market that was thought to be oversaturated and very difficult to enter into.

It's nice to see that you have turned over the reigns and have entered into other exciting ventures. Someone said to me once that businesses are very fun to start and grow but very boring to maintain. :winkwink:

All the best,
DH

quiet

10-13-2005 11:08 PM

i would last 5 minutes having to work for a large, stable company.

Tam	10-13-2005 11:19 PM

This is an awesome post and I agree with you 110% on everything but one little section:

Quote:

1) How long have they been around? This is key. The longer that they have been around, the more chances there are that they have expanded.

THIS isn't always true and I know better than most and from experience, this doesn't always make for a good company.Two of the companies I worked for in the past had been around for many years, had money to back them up, came to ME with very high remarks from others, I DID my homework on them and I was the one doing the interviewing, I KNEW I qualified and knew I could do the jobs. HOWEVER, these two companies ended up getting extremely greedy and walked with a LOT of peoples money, and I mean A LOT!! SOme of you know who I am talking about in both cases. Boy did I ever get slapped in the face, as well as others involved by both, and both had been around.

So don't always put your faith in a company that has been around for many years, this isn't always a safety aspect when looking for a job.

DO NOT be afraid to ask them for THEIR references, you are having to put your neck on the line as well, so don't be afraid to do some interviewing and asking for references of your own. And don't take what THEY say or their friends as references, seek out others that know them but aren't necessarily close to them.

I now work for two companies, and I couldn't be happier with either one, but it was a long road to get where I am and with the companies I am with now.

I didn't mean to go on here, I just wanted to make it clear that just because someone has been around for many years, doesn't make them a good company, or an honest one, just makes them good at what they do, scam people. Even though they always get caught, someone has to get hurt before this happens.

DO NOT be afraid to do your homework!! That's all.
Otherwise, this is one of the best posts I have seen on here in a very long time. :)

V_RocKs

10-13-2005 11:34 PM

You forgot a key point:

If you want to make any REAL money, DON'T WORK FOR SOMEONE ELSE!

This is a big point to make. Working for someone else you are never going to make any real money. Sure you might get yourself into a position doing absolutely nothing for $50K - $70K a year. Not bad for a high school drop out (or even a college grad). But if you want to make $100K+ and especially if you are looking for something around 300K+, working for someone else is a fucking dead end.

Just about the only way you can pull off working for someone else while making 100K+ is to work from home and get innovative.

mrthumbs

10-14-2005 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiet

i would last 5 minutes having to work for a large, stable company.

Same here.

TDF	10-14-2005 02:01 AM

this should be stickied

Rui	10-14-2005 02:11 AM

Very well put, I think I will bookmark this thread and send many people to see it

Rigth on the money! :)

bigdog

10-14-2005 04:46 AM

are there any affilate reps making 100k or even 200k a year?

ADL Colin

10-14-2005 04:52 AM

Excellent

12clicks

10-14-2005 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

id be nothing without my attitude, nor would brad, or that fag 12clicks or serge or FM.. I could name a ton that made themselves successful by pissing off people.. made some enemies too, but thats all part of the game..

uh, I've only ever pissed off the trash of this business. You, however, couldn't comprehend the difference.

emmanuelle

10-14-2005 07:52 AM

I always get a chuckle out of people who decide in October, "Well if I want to go to internext, I'd better find a company to rep soon." I'm not gonna name names, but they're regulars, and hop from company to company.

I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole- to me they are greedy opportunists, not anyone to be taken seriously as an employee.

Can somebody explain to me what "solid industry experience" means? I recently saw an announcement about a new hire who was credited with this. Being a bimbo on boards is not 'solid industry experience' in my opinion, but hey, maybe somebody else thinks so...

ronaldo

10-14-2005 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

1) You can work from home.

Please read this carefully before you begin your assault on me: If you apply looking for a ?great job,? but stipulate you only want to work from home, you are probably lazy. If you have other ambitions and or obligations, then by all means, apply for a job whereas you work from your home. The difference is in stipulating it. I consistently get people asking if Weg is hiring and they immediately say ?I have to work from home though.? If you are pursued to work from home, or the job stipulates so, that is different. But don?t apply for in-house and then tell them about your 8 kids. If you are confident that you are an entrepreneur at this point in your life, by all means, work from home. (This did not include contractors, obviously).

Location can be a big reason why people NEED to work at home as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

2) They will send you to shows.

Believe it or not, this one never ceases to amaze me. Prospective employees think that companies should be obligated to send them to Vegas and, lets not forget, Europe every year. You are applying for a job, not a professional vacationer. My god, when I worked from home on my own, I avoided shows like the plague. You would be amazed at how many people apply for a job and ask what shows they will be sent to, or get upset if you do not guarantee a show.

This I disagree with vehemently. I wouldn't work for a company BECAUSE they send me to shows, but if they want me to do the job to the best of my ability, they NEED to send me to shows. There's a personal contact and credibility factor that can't be overlooked. Vegas and Miami. Those two are must attends. The rest are negotiable.

I don't go to shows for vacations. I bust my ass when I attend these shows. Certainly I have fun as well, but that's a distant second to the business I go to do.

Everything else you posted I agree with. Excellent post.

Tom_PM

10-14-2005 08:20 AM

Good thread. I'm super lucky to be doing what I do, for who I do it for. :thumbsup

I do think it's helped being around a long time on computers, from BBS days through today. Not because of postcount++, but because of learning to communicate effectively.

natas

10-14-2005 08:27 AM

Great thread

Cory W

10-14-2005 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

In the end, this is correct. But many people in this industry short themselves a lot of income thinking this as well :)

Timing is everything.

Cory W

10-14-2005 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tam

This is an awesome post and I agree with you 110% on everything but one little section:

THIS isn't always true and I know better than most and from experience, this doesn't always make for a good company.Two of the companies I worked for in the past had been around for many years, had money to back them up, came to ME with very high remarks from others, I DID my homework on them and I was the one doing the interviewing, I KNEW I qualified and knew I could do the jobs. HOWEVER, these two companies ended up getting extremely greedy and walked with a LOT of peoples money, and I mean A LOT!! SOme of you know who I am talking about in both cases. Boy did I ever get slapped in the face, as well as others involved by both, and both had been around.

So don't always put your faith in a company that has been around for many years, this isn't always a safety aspect when looking for a job.

DO NOT be afraid to ask them for THEIR references, you are having to put your neck on the line as well, so don't be afraid to do some interviewing and asking for references of your own. And don't take what THEY say or their friends as references, seek out others that know them but aren't necessarily close to them.

I now work for two companies, and I couldn't be happier with either one, but it was a long road to get where I am and with the companies I am with now.

I didn't mean to go on here, I just wanted to make it clear that just because someone has been around for many years, doesn't make them a good company, or an honest one, just makes them good at what they do, scam people. Even though they always get caught, someone has to get hurt before this happens.

DO NOT be afraid to do your homework!! That's all.
Otherwise, this is one of the best posts I have seen on here in a very long time. :)

Nice reply, there are always exceptions. I am more targeting the blahxdollars-cash.com programs that pop up daily, offer an affiliate rep the stars and moon (namely a trip to Vegas) and then go under in 6 months.

But the big booth was nice :)

Cory W

10-14-2005 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lensman

Cory, good shit. When are you joining Playboy?

I heard Eric works in his underwear. That alone is a selling point. :)

GTS Mark

10-14-2005 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdog

are there any affilate reps making 100k or even 200k a year?

Yep there are several

DH

Jay	10-14-2005 09:09 AM

Great post Cory. :thumbsup It's sooo nice to read threads like this in the sea of useless threads that clutter GFY.

Dalai lama

10-14-2005 09:10 AM

well said :thumbsup

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