men.com -vs- askmen.com - GoFuckYourself.com

Lotus_Mike · 10-08-2005, 01:58 PM

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=askmen.com

Ask Men
askmen.com

Offers tips, hints, and guides about sex, women, relationships, dating, cheating, fashion, and health.

Avg. Review for askmen.com: 4.0 of 5 stars
Traffic Rank for askmen.com: 883

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=men.com

Men.com: The Definitive Online Magazine for Men.

An online lifestyle maagazine for men.

Traffic Rank for men.com: 206,142

men.com must be run by a millionairre 1 hit wonder. Having dollars doesn't substitute business development knowledge.

mrthumbs · 10-08-2005, 02:02 PM

i agree.. its pretty shocking to see how thats going.

Lotus_Mike · 10-08-2005, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mrthumbs

i agree.. its pretty shocking to see how thats going.

I would sell it or convert it into to a gay site.

mrthumbs · 10-08-2005, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus_Mike

I would sell it or convert it into to a gay site.

There we go. Men.com would do best as a gaysite.

No self respecting heteropsexual man will browse men.com ;)

mrthumbs · 10-08-2005, 02:07 PM

let alone buying it!!

warlock5 · 10-08-2005, 02:08 PM

Is your other nickname bluff?

eGawd · 10-08-2005, 02:10 PM

Ever think it might just be an investment?

Lotus_Mike · 10-08-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mrthumbs

There we go. Men.com would do best as a gaysite.

No self respecting heteropsexual man will browse men.com ;)

Not to mention, multimillion dollar domains are owed a floor in a building with 50+ employee's.

WarChild · 10-08-2005, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus_Mike

I would sell it or convert it into to a gay site.

Great.. And if I had super powers I would rob a bank. The likely hood of me getting bitten by a radioactive spider is just about as high as the chances you will own a premium domain like men.com or be in a position to advise those that do.

Lotus_Mike · 10-08-2005, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by warlock5

Is your other nickname bluff?

I'm not a flaming homosexual. Like juicy.

aico · 10-08-2005, 02:12 PM

Yah, I ofter wonder why that site is what it is (or isnt't). It's all just RSS feeds and other crap. Make it a Gay site and you'd be rich as hell.

Lotus_Mike · 10-08-2005, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Great.. And if I had super powers I would rob a bank. The likely hood of me getting bitten by a radioactive spider is just about as high as the chances you will own a premium domain like men.com or be in a position to advise those that do.

Owning a premium domain =! guaranteed success.

Do you know what a dot bomb is?

Young · 10-08-2005, 02:15 PM

Men.com hurts my eyes.

Who the fuck still uses Bevels and Drop Shadows? Especially a site with a million dollar domain name. That layout looks like shit. Didn't somebody tell them that the color white = professional and easyness on the eyes.

is this still KRL's? I charge $500 an hour for a consulting fee. E-Mail me.

WarChild · 10-08-2005, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus_Mike

Owning a premium domain =! guaranteed success.

Do you know what a dot bomb is?

Nobody said anything about it being a guaranteed success. I only said it doesn't really matter what you think about it.

Libertine · 10-08-2005, 02:21 PM

First of all, Lotus_Mike, comparing the two is sheer stupidity for one simple reason:

men.com
Online Since: 1-Apr-2004

askmen.com
Online Since: 02-Jun-1999

Secondly, to be truthful, men.com does suck. They got most things that are important for an online men's mag entirely wrong, failed to come up with anything original, got an absolute 0 on viral and se marketing, have went through a number of sucky designs to end up with a lame askmen.com rip-off, etc.
It could still do well as an online mag, but for that it should develop its own personality and come up with some original marketing angles.

Pipecrew · 10-08-2005, 02:55 PM

Didnt askmen.com sell recently for millions and millions?

GeorgeK · 10-08-2005, 03:04 PM

Yes, Pipecrew. See:

http://corp.ign.com/articles/620/620643p1.html

And then IGN (which also has game sites) was acquired by News Corp, for around $650 million:

http://corp.ign.com/articles/648/648836p1.html

Lotus_Mike · 10-08-2005, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

First of all, Lotus_Mike, comparing the two is sheer stupidity for one simple reason:

men.com
Online Since: 1-Apr-2004

askmen.com
Online Since: 02-Jun-1999

Secondly, to be truthful, men.com does suck. They got most things that are important for an online men's mag entirely wrong, failed to come up with anything original, got an absolute 0 on viral and se marketing, have went through a number of sucky designs to end up with a lame askmen.com rip-off, etc.
It could still do well as an online mag, but for that it should develop its own personality and come up with some original marketing angles.

It would do much better as a gay portal. Not a mens magazine. The domain name men.com doesn't inspire me as a heterosexual to brown nose about other dudes.

Nasty · 10-08-2005, 03:07 PM

I do think men.com is a crappy site but to compare it to askmen.com is not a fair match, askmen is ran by a company who already has a million daily users, its easy to migrate your user base when you have a network of sites with critical mass like ign

http://corp.ign.com/

Lotus_Mike · 10-08-2005, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

Didnt askmen.com sell recently for millions and millions?

Six. Hundred. Fifty. Million....!

cayne · 10-08-2005, 03:09 PM

News Corp > IGN > AskMen...that's kinda funny. Always a bigger company purchase a smaller one. Now is just Microsoft missing... Microsoft > News Corp... :D

Libertine · 10-08-2005, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lotus_Mike

It would do much better as a gay portal. Not a mens magazine. The domain name men.com doesn't inspire me as a heterosexual to brown nose about other dudes.

The domain name is easy to brand and provides a steady flow of fairly fresh traffic. Those things help when building up any related business.

It might make more as a gay site, but I can imagine that it would be more fun to run your own men's mag. And the name itself could have been used to form the basis for a great online men's mag, had it been properly developed.

Lotus_Mike · 10-08-2005, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nasty

I do think men.com is a crappy site but to compare it to askmen.com is not a fair match, askmen is ran by a company who already has a million daily users, its easy to migrate your user base when you have a network of sites with critical mass like ign

http://corp.ign.com/

askmen.com was bought by IGN for $650 mil, even comparing pre-acquisition is a way unfair match.

Look, askmen.com had the employees and executive power to make all their shit happen.

men.com's owners are probably still stuck in their porn high. Being a millionaire doesn't make you a business executive by financial authority either.

KRL · 10-08-2005, 04:52 PM

This new team we hired to run the site came with very impressive credentials.

They developed all the sites for American Media, Weider Publications, Men's Fitness, and even some US government sites.

I'm not in love with the new iteration yet either, but they're still working on a lot of it so we'll see how it turns out, and I believe in giving everyone a fair chance.

Its just an investment for me at this point, and long term no matter what goes on there domains are increasing in value tremendously.

If anyone thinks they can do a better job or has innovative ideas send your bio, portfoio and ideas to me at [email protected] and I'll show it to my partners and staff at our next board meeting.

Comparing us to askmen isn't fair. They've had their site going for 6 years and have a enormous content base. Last thing we're going to do is invest in that much infrastructure and turn it into a dot com scene laidened with overhead. The way were doing it now gives us the opportunity to try a bunch of different things on there until we get one that works the best.

PS - Hi Lotus_"Lee"

BradM · 10-08-2005, 05:01 PM

If I spent a million bucks on a domain I would want to make it back within the first 2 years. "Investment" is a shitty excuse for an abismal failure at this point KRL.

That domain has potential. It's just being run terribly.

xlogger · 10-08-2005, 05:06 PM

Hand this domain over to me! I bet i can do more with it that a anyone!

KRL · 10-08-2005, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradM

If I spent a million bucks on a domain I would want to make it back within the first 2 years. "Investment" is a shitty excuse for an abismal failure at this point KRL.

That domain has potential. It's just being run terribly.

First off I'm not running the domain. We hired a company to do it.

Secondly, you don't call something a failure until the games over, you walk away from the table and you indeed lost money. Games not over, we aren't walking away from the table and we haven't lost money.

Like I said its easy to be a critic. Lets see what all the critics got. E-mail a biz plan with something better and you might be hired next if our current team doesn't accomplish the goals they gave us.

xlogger · 10-08-2005, 05:10 PM

I would think most of the people comming to your site are gay.

Why would a stright guy type in men.com for?

Just do a anonymous poll on the site asking if the surfer is stright/bi/gay.

Let us know the result.

broke · 10-08-2005, 05:12 PM

Of course men.com is not going to be askmen.com...

Anyone with a clue would turn it into the gay version of askmen, though. You're taking the short view, Kevin. Real targeted content, product placement, and the subsequent ad revenue.

Won't happen overnight... but it WILL happen if done correctly.

Libertine · 10-08-2005, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

This new team we hired to run the site came with very impressive credentials.

They developed all the sites for American Media, Weider Publications, Men's Fitness, and even some US government sites.

I'm not in love with the new iteration yet either, but they're still working on a lot of it so we'll see how it turns out, and I believe in giving everyone a fair chance.

Its just an investment for me at this point, and long term no matter what goes on there domains are increasing in value tremendously.

If anyone thinks they can do a better job or has innovative ideas send your bio, portfoio and ideas to me at [email protected] and I'll show it to my partners and staff at our next board meeting.

Comparing us to askmen isn't fair. They've had their site going for 6 years and have a enormous content base. Last thing we're going to do is invest in that much infrastructure and turn it into a dot com scene laidened with overhead. The way were doing it now gives us the opportunity to try a bunch of different things on there until we get one that works the best.

PS - Hi Lotus_"Lee"

Here's some free advice: make the site less bland and generic. As a relative newcomer in an already tight market, you need to have an extra edge that the competition doesn't have. Throw in some virals, like humour, quirky tests, a babe contest, etc. Those things target an audience younger than the one you are aiming for, but they are a good way of getting the word out there and gaining some extra visitors. After that, incorporate some specific angles like a sharp, satirical, almost-over-the-edge column, elaborate guides on fitness/dating/sex (the stuff that the other men's sites ask money for), a "babe" database, etc.

Right now the site lacks personality, and everything it does is done much better by sites like men.com

Pipecrew · 10-08-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by broke

Of course men.com is not going to be askmen.com...

Anyone with a clue would turn it into the gay version of askmen

That's actually a really good idea.

Lotus_Mike · 10-08-2005, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

First off I'm not running the domain. We hired a company to do it.

Secondly, you don't call something a failure until the games over, you walk away from the table and you indeed lost money. Games not over, we aren't walking away from the table and we haven't lost money.

Like I said its easy to be a critic. Lets see what all the critics got. E-mail a biz plan with something better and you might be hired next if our current team doesn't accomplish the goals they gave us.

There are several new media and brand development consulting firms out there; why would an millionaire consult with the mom and pops in here? They couldn't understand market metrics, ROI benchmarking, advertiser hot syncing, etc., much less find a partnership contract even if was stapled to their foreheads.

KRL · 10-08-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus_Mike

There are several new media and brand development consulting firms out there; why would an millionaire consult with the mom and pops in here? They couldn't understand market metrics, ROI benchmarking, advertiser hot syncing, etc., much less find a partnership contract even if was stapled to their foreheads.

You seem to be very knowledgeable with lots of good ideas. Instead of bashing me like you have over the past year, send me your res and plan.

Jace · 10-08-2005, 05:33 PM

doesn't anyone else laugh when xlogger comes into a thread and offers his "business advice"?

Lotus_Mike · 10-08-2005, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL

You seem to be very knowledgeable with lots of good ideas. Instead of bashing me like you have over the past year, send me your res and plan.

I'm not bluff.

Just saying.

KRL · 10-08-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

doesn't anyone else laugh when xlogger comes into a thread and offers his "business advice"?

I take all comments and advice to heart, even the one's from bluff / Lee.

I also respect everyone's ideas no matter who they are in the biz, big or small. Most good ideas don't come from seasoned experts, but from bright young guys like on GFY.

There are a lot of very sharp and brilliant marketers on this board. Even the guys that stalk have actually made some good ideas over the past year.

KRL · 10-08-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus_Mike

I'm not bluff.

Just saying.

Well sorry about that, but you came on with a brand new nick, didn't say hi to anyone and immediately went to town with posts about posing and men.com posts so you have to acknowledge that's a bit strange.

Sorry bout that.

Jace · 10-08-2005, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

Even the guys that stalk have actually made some good ideas over the past year.

no i haven't....i have horrible ideas

Lotus_Mike · 10-08-2005, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

Its just an investment for me at this point, and long term no matter what goes on there domains are increasing in value tremendously.

How much was men.com bought for? Selling currently for $5 million? I would think everyone would be priced out at $2 million. But $5 million? SHeeeeESH.

studiocritic · 10-08-2005, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

First off I'm not running the domain. We hired a company to do it.

Secondly, you don't call something a failure until the games over, you walk away from the table and you indeed lost money. Games not over, we aren't walking away from the table and we haven't lost money.

Like I said its easy to be a critic. Lets see what all the critics got. E-mail a biz plan with something better and you might be hired next if our current team doesn't accomplish the goals they gave us.

Is what we currently see on men.com a placeholder until this plan is further along, or is this what they're going to be building around? I'm in no place to offer criticism, only trying to understand the situation better before sticking in my

Ron Bennett · 10-08-2005, 05:57 PM

Interesting info. Here are my thoughts...

1. Generic domains most often have much innate value even if poorly developed / not developed at all; an investment.

2. Generic domains are a great way to break into a particular market quickly...

3. However, from there development, marketing, luck, etc all then come into play.

In regards to men.com - I tend to agree with the poster above who mentioned "gay" / porn site - that may be a better use for the site...

A quick check of related keywords to men.com at Overture tends to support the idea of gay / porn as potentially a more worthwhile use of the men.com domain.

With that said, some simple suggestions, in my view, that would go a long way to making men.com better...

* Redo the homepage...

ie. many folks will mistakeningly think the menu graphic in the middle is just another ad.

* Speaking of ads - way too many and way too large on the right-hand side ... make them smaller or something and instead provide more content in that space ...

* First impressions count a lot - if a surfer doesn't see what they desire within the first screen-full, they're likely going to leave quickly, and likely not return.

* Redo the side-menu ... shift the emphasis more to the life-style related items - most men aren't there to read the news ... they want to get answers to personal men-type (ie. sex, dating, dress, hygene, health) questions, see some women, and have some fun...

* Speaking of fun ... add a message board (if there already is one, I couldn't find it), a chatroom / blogs maybe, and perhaps consider a gameroom - could tie that into paid poker sponsors or something.

X as in eliminate - offering free email - that's so 1990s ... and usually more hassle than it's worth - a few abuses of free email by users can potentially lead to far-reaching problems, such as email being blocked, and more to the point, can potentially lead to the turnishing of the men.com brand; hurting its value.

Now to really digress - hey this GFY afterall

CANNABIS.COM is for sale - and seeing how much Men.com reportedly sold for, CANNABIS.COM is likely a bargain in comparison ... includes some common typo variations plus CANN.COM (a nice 4 letter!) too along with much of the content ...

Current high offer, just this past week, is $500K USD for the CANNABIS.COM package.

That's getting closer to the ballpark of what I'd consider accepting from a motivated buyer...

Please direct offers / questions to me at [email protected] and/or [email protected]

Lets do business.

Ron

frankfortuna · 10-08-2005, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

This new team we hired to run the site came with very impressive credentials.

They developed all the sites for American Media, Weider Publications, Men's Fitness, and even some US government sites.

I'm not in love with the new iteration yet either, but they're still working on a lot of it so we'll see how it turns out, and I believe in giving everyone a fair chance.

Its just an investment for me at this point, and long term no matter what goes on there domains are increasing in value tremendously.

If anyone thinks they can do a better job or has innovative ideas send your bio, portfoio and ideas to me at [email protected] and I'll show it to my partners and staff at our next board meeting.

Comparing us to askmen isn't fair. They've had their site going for 6 years and have a enormous content base. Last thing we're going to do is invest in that much infrastructure and turn it into a dot com scene laidened with overhead. The way were doing it now gives us the opportunity to try a bunch of different things on there until we get one that works the best.

PS - Hi Lotus_"Lee"

I'd like to offer some constructive criticism from a technical / usability perspective.

1. The excessive use of javascript on the index is causing poor site load performance.

2. The site could really benefit from a clean, CSS only 3 column layout with a more inviting color scheme. In its present incarnation, the site is very dark and the image based fonts are terribly hard to read.

Lotus_Mike · 10-08-2005, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankfortuna

I'd like to offer some constructive criticism from a technical / usability perspective.

1. The excessive use of javascript on the index is causing poor site load performance.

2. The site could really benefit from a clean, CSS only 3 column layout with a more inviting color scheme. In its present incarnation, the site is very dark and the image based fonts are terribly hard to read.

Hint: Graphic design is the least of men.com's problems.

You mom-and-pop site owners (are) mom-and-pop site owners for a reason.

frankfortuna · 10-08-2005, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lotus_Mike

Hint: Graphic design is the least of men.com's problems.

You mom-and-pop site owners (are) mom-and-pop site owners for a reason.

Did you even read what I posted? I simply offered a couple of suggestions from a usability standpoint. Nowhere did I offer or address any other issues.

Please post your great accomplishments so we can critique them.

adultchica · 10-08-2005, 06:29 PM

Like it or not, KRL is a smart son of a bitch!

He's not spending his money on "overhead" until it starts getting lots more traffic and he gets the right concept on it that hits paydirt.

I think most of the people talking shit are just jealous that they can't afford a million dollar fucking domain name!

Lotus_Mike · 10-08-2005, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultchica

Like it or not, KRL is a smart son of a bitch!

He's not spending his money on "overhead" until it starts getting lots more traffic and he gets the right concept on it that hits paydirt.

I think most of the people talking shit are just jealous that they can't afford a million dollar fucking domain name!

Buying a premium building and running it like a slum landlord doesn't make you a smart cookie either.

Young · 10-08-2005, 06:32 PM

Go Gay. Thats probaly the best idea yet. If you did it right...it would be a monster of a site.

Lotus_Mike isn't a moron after all

Throwing out words I haven't heard since my marketing classes back in college.

xlogger · 10-08-2005, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

doesn't anyone else laugh when xlogger comes into a thread and offers his "business advice"?

business advice? what business advice? It should be fucking obvious to any fucking idiot.

xlogger · 10-08-2005, 06:49 PM

Any one laugh when Jace cant affort some design work and have to whore a big ass sig for 2 months.

KRL · 10-08-2005, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankfortuna

I'd like to offer some constructive criticism from a technical / usability perspective.

1. The excessive use of javascript on the index is causing poor site load performance.

2. The site could really benefit from a clean, CSS only 3 column layout with a more inviting color scheme. In its present incarnation, the site is very dark and the image based fonts are terribly hard to read.

I've already jumped on the guys about this.

Like I said they came to us with very strong credentials, so we'll see if they can get it together.

10-08-2005, 01:58 PM	#1
Lotus_Mike So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 42	men.com -vs- askmen.com http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=askmen.com Ask Men askmen.com Offers tips, hints, and guides about sex, women, relationships, dating, cheating, fashion, and health. Avg. Review for askmen.com: 4.0 of 5 stars Traffic Rank for askmen.com: 883 http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=men.com Men.com: The Definitive Online Magazine for Men. An online lifestyle maagazine for men. Traffic Rank for men.com: 206,142 men.com must be run by a millionairre 1 hit wonder. Having dollars doesn't substitute business development knowledge.

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Young Bland for life Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,468	Men.com hurts my eyes. Who the fuck still uses Bevels and Drop Shadows? Especially a site with a million dollar domain name. That layout looks like shit. Didn't somebody tell them that the color white = professional and easyness on the eyes. is this still KRL's? I charge $500 an hour for a consulting fee. E-Mail me. __________________ ★★★

10-08-2005, 02:21 PM	#15
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	First of all, Lotus_Mike, comparing the two is sheer stupidity for one simple reason: men.com Online Since: 1-Apr-2004 askmen.com Online Since: 02-Jun-1999 Secondly, to be truthful, men.com does suck. They got most things that are important for an online men's mag entirely wrong, failed to come up with anything original, got an absolute 0 on viral and se marketing, have went through a number of sucky designs to end up with a lame askmen.com rip-off, etc. It could still do well as an online mag, but for that it should develop its own personality and come up with some original marketing angles. __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

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GeorgeK Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 423	Yes, Pipecrew. See: http://corp.ign.com/articles/620/620643p1.html And then IGN (which also has game sites) was acquired by News Corp, for around $650 million: http://corp.ign.com/articles/648/648836p1.html __________________ I buy good domain names. Send lists to George (at) LOFFS.com

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Nasty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sunny Fucking California Posts: 1,575	I do think men.com is a crappy site but to compare it to askmen.com is not a fair match, askmen is ran by a company who already has a million daily users, its easy to migrate your user base when you have a network of sites with critical mass like ign http://corp.ign.com/ __________________ “Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing than we know about living. If we continue to develop our technology without wisdom or prudence, our servant may prove to be our executioner.” ― Omar Bradley (1948)

10-08-2005, 02:02 PM	#2
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	i agree.. its pretty shocking to see how thats going.

10-08-2005, 02:07 PM	#5
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	let alone buying it!!

10-08-2005, 02:08 PM	#6
warlock5 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Uranus Posts: 2,808	Is your other nickname bluff?

10-08-2005, 02:10 PM	#7
eGawd Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: La Jolla Posts: 567	Ever think it might just be an investment?

10-08-2005, 02:12 PM	#11
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	Yah, I ofter wonder why that site is what it is (or isnt't). It's all just RSS feeds and other crap. Make it a Gay site and you'd be rich as hell.

10-08-2005, 02:55 PM	#16
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	Didnt askmen.com sell recently for millions and millions?

10-08-2005, 03:09 PM	#21
cayne My time is coming... Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Europe --- eMail: service(at)badasscompany.com --- ICQ: 60288510 Posts: 7,476	News Corp > IGN > AskMen...that's kinda funny. Always a bigger company purchase a smaller one. Now is just Microsoft missing... Microsoft > News Corp... :D __________________ If lesbian anal is wrong, I don't want to be right.

10-08-2005, 04:52 PM	#24
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	This new team we hired to run the site came with very impressive credentials. They developed all the sites for American Media, Weider Publications, Men's Fitness, and even some US government sites. I'm not in love with the new iteration yet either, but they're still working on a lot of it so we'll see how it turns out, and I believe in giving everyone a fair chance. Its just an investment for me at this point, and long term no matter what goes on there domains are increasing in value tremendously. If anyone thinks they can do a better job or has innovative ideas send your bio, portfoio and ideas to me at [email protected] and I'll show it to my partners and staff at our next board meeting. Comparing us to askmen isn't fair. They've had their site going for 6 years and have a enormous content base. Last thing we're going to do is invest in that much infrastructure and turn it into a dot com scene laidened with overhead. The way were doing it now gives us the opportunity to try a bunch of different things on there until we get one that works the best. PS - Hi Lotus_"Lee" __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

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BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	If I spent a million bucks on a domain I would want to make it back within the first 2 years. "Investment" is a shitty excuse for an abismal failure at this point KRL. That domain has potential. It's just being run terribly.

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	Hand this domain over to me! I bet i can do more with it that a anyone! __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	I would think most of the people comming to your site are gay. Why would a stright guy type in men.com for? Just do a anonymous poll on the site asking if the surfer is stright/bi/gay. Let us know the result. __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

10-08-2005, 05:12 PM	#29
broke Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Someplace Windy Posts: 4,501	Of course men.com is not going to be askmen.com... Anyone with a clue would turn it into the gay version of askmen, though. You're taking the short view, Kevin. Real targeted content, product placement, and the subsequent ad revenue. Won't happen overnight... but it WILL happen if done correctly. __________________ Perfect Gonzo

10-08-2005, 05:33 PM	#34
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	doesn't anyone else laugh when xlogger comes into a thread and offers his "business advice"?

10-08-2005, 05:57 PM	#41
Ron Bennett Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,653	My suggestions for Men.com - and to digress a bit, a sales pitch for CANNABIS.COM Interesting info. Here are my thoughts... 1. Generic domains most often have much innate value even if poorly developed / not developed at all; an investment. 2. Generic domains are a great way to break into a particular market quickly... 3. However, from there development, marketing, luck, etc all then come into play. In regards to men.com - I tend to agree with the poster above who mentioned "gay" / porn site - that may be a better use for the site... A quick check of related keywords to men.com at Overture tends to support the idea of gay / porn as potentially a more worthwhile use of the men.com domain. With that said, some simple suggestions, in my view, that would go a long way to making men.com better... * Redo the homepage... ie. many folks will mistakeningly think the menu graphic in the middle is just another ad. * Speaking of ads - way too many and way too large on the right-hand side ... make them smaller or something and instead provide more content in that space ... * First impressions count a lot - if a surfer doesn't see what they desire within the first screen-full, they're likely going to leave quickly, and likely not return. * Redo the side-menu ... shift the emphasis more to the life-style related items - most men aren't there to read the news ... they want to get answers to personal men-type (ie. sex, dating, dress, hygene, health) questions, see some women, and have some fun... * Speaking of fun ... add a message board (if there already is one, I couldn't find it), a chatroom / blogs maybe, and perhaps consider a gameroom - could tie that into paid poker sponsors or something. X as in eliminate - offering free email - that's so 1990s ... and usually more hassle than it's worth - a few abuses of free email by users can potentially lead to far-reaching problems, such as email being blocked, and more to the point, can potentially lead to the turnishing of the men.com brand; hurting its value. Now to really digress - hey this GFY afterall CANNABIS.COM is for sale - and seeing how much Men.com reportedly sold for, CANNABIS.COM is likely a bargain in comparison ... includes some common typo variations plus CANN.COM (a nice 4 letter!) too along with much of the content ... Current high offer, just this past week, is $500K USD for the CANNABIS.COM package. That's getting closer to the ballpark of what I'd consider accepting from a motivated buyer... Please direct offers / questions to me at [email protected] and/or [email protected] Lets do business. Ron __________________ Domagon - Website Management and Domain Name Sales

10-08-2005, 06:29 PM	#45
adultchica Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: usa Posts: 5,141	Like it or not, KRL is a smart son of a bitch! He's not spending his money on "overhead" until it starts getting lots more traffic and he gets the right concept on it that hits paydirt. I think most of the people talking shit are just jealous that they can't afford a million dollar fucking domain name! __________________

10-08-2005, 06:32 PM	#47
Young Bland for life Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,468	Go Gay. Thats probaly the best idea yet. If you did it right...it would be a monster of a site. Lotus_Mike isn't a moron after all Throwing out words I haven't heard since my marketing classes back in college. __________________ ★★★ Last edited by Young; 10-08-2005 at 06:33 PM..

10-08-2005, 06:49 PM	#49
xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	Any one laugh when Jace cant affort some design work and have to whore a big ass sig for 2 months. __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]