Fuck the BC Teachers Federation

[BradM]

Citizens of BC know how effective our education system is. We know how hard the teachers work. Come in at 8:55 and leave at 3:05 every day. Work out of a book.

The government should NOT fall on its belly and give in to demands of a completely worthless group of people. STAY ON STRIKE. We will homeschool our kids.

More money and smaller classes? Yeah you just want to work LESS than you already do. Teachers are pathetic and they can go fuck themselves.

[WarChild]

You're sadly mistaken.

[Best-In-BC]

LOL, One word comes to m ind, Clueless

[BradM]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You're sadly mistaken.

You support those ass tools? Do you even live in this province anymore? What the fuck drugs are you on.

[BradM]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

LOL, One word comes to m ind, Clueless

Why not state your point of view? Maybe I could learn a thing or two.

[WarChild]

Brad, when you're a bit older you'll start to understand that many of the things you think now you do so becaue of lack of experience.

[Best-In-BC]

ok, Im 20 just got out of high school, the fucking class rooms are way to cramnd, over populated, and the low funding can be seen everywhere, theres no money for updated books, decent copying paper or anything eles, so use your head befor you jump to conclusions

[Fred Quimby]

My local newspaper just profiles a 73 year old kindergarden teacher who makes 135k per year and needs an assistant to run after the kids.

[Fred Quimby]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

ok, Im 20 just got out of high school, the fucking class rooms are way to cramnd, over populated, and the low funding can be seen everywhere, theres no money for updated books, decent copying paper or anything eles, so use your head befor you jump to conclusions

You just got out of high school at 20?

[BradM]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Brad, when you're a bit older you'll start to understand that many of the things you think now you do so becaue of lack of experience.

All I want to know is why you would support them? I've talked to dozens of people at university and even a prof who all said an illegal walkout is just silly, and teachers deserve no increase in pay or smaller classes. They demand things because it's an essential service.
It's time to institute more socialist mandates to KEEP it essential, or abolish the union and make them work in fear of losing their jobs like everyone else in the country.

[Irrum]

Teacher strikes, never happened when I was growin up

[BradM]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

ok, Im 20 just got out of high school, the fucking class rooms are way to cramnd, over populated, and the low funding can be seen everywhere, theres no money for updated books, decent copying paper or anything eles, so use your head befor you jump to conclusions

Use my head? Use your keyboard and brain correctly. If you're going to make an argument at least sound like you know what you are talking about, instead of just blowing steam around. You're an idiot - so your opinion regarding this matter is no longer going to be taken into account. Thanks.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Fred Quimby

My local newspaper just profiles a 73 year old kindergarden teacher who makes 135k per year and needs an assistant to run after the kids.

I smeel bullshit

[Fred Quimby]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

I smeel bullshit

Thats why my property taxes are $12,500 per year

[BRISK]

Originally Posted by BradM

We will homeschool our kids

You have kids?

[RuthB]

my 15 year old daughter is now going to spend the day at the mall rather than in class learning for her future.

She may not have school for up to 2 weeks (was what her school projected) and in that time she won't have access to the necessary learning tools she needs to be able to complete her education and pursue her goals of becoming a microbiologist or marine engineer (yes I know she's only 15, and she has a couple years left - but missing school always has an effect).

Yes, teachers should be properly compensated, but to sacrifice the education of the kids sucks ass. And yes, I realise their point is that the kids education suffers anyway due to large class sizes and limited funds/resources for the school, but if they're not even at school that's much worse than large class sizes.

A couple years ago I remember they did the same thing here and a bunch of Grade 12 kids couldn't graduate properly cos they didn't have the knowledge and grades (from lack of work being able to be completed). They ended up having to repeat classes and graduate in spring rather than fall.

There are consequences to innocent parties when teachers strike - it would be great if they could find some other way to get whatever it is that they want.

[BradM]

There should be measures in place to FORCE the teachers back. Physical force if nessecary. Don't want to work? How about a police baton to the face? Still don't want to work? How's the brig sound?

They are playing hardball, we can do it too. Start throwing secretaries and leaders in jail for illegal strikes.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally Posted by BradM

You support those ass tools? Do you even live in this province anymore? What the fuck drugs are you on.

You obviously got no idea of the workload teacher has ... after class, they gotta correct stuff, prepare upcomming lessons ... among other things .

If we want a good education system, we gotta start by paying the teachers well.

Also, classrooms are way over crowded ... should be groups of 16-20 ... 24 big maximum...

[MetaMan]

for everyone whining about how teachers have it so hard should stfu.

work short hours, work out of a book and have 1+ months full of holidays.

my mother was a teacher and she will never say how hard it was, and she was one of the few that are good.

no matter how much $ you put in education it will not change shit. 99% of teachers are terrible and teach out of the book.

i didnt learn a single thing throughout school and grade 4. it was all just basic applied knowledge that i could of taught myself with no teacher there to guide me (which they didnt do anyway).

[sumphatpimp]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

ok, Im 20 just got out of high school, the fucking class rooms are way to cramnd, over populated, and the low funding can be seen everywhere, theres no money for updated books, decent copying paper or anything eles, so use your head befor you jump to conclusions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Best-In-BC
LOL, One word comes to m ind, Clueless

so this is a product of your school system?

[RuthB]

Originally Posted by BradM

There should be measures in place to FORCE the teachers back. Physical force if nessecary. Don't want to work? How about a police baton to the face? Still don't want to work? How's the brig sound?

They are playing hardball, we can do it too. Start throwing secretaries and leaders in jail for illegal strikes.

don't burst a blood vessel Brad

I take it the Universities and Colleges are also affected then?

[the Shemp]

power lies with the workers.....

[BradM]

Originally Posted by the Shemp

power lies with the workers.....

There needs to be limits to that power.

[the Shemp]

Originally Posted by BradM

There needs to be limits to that power.

the people that do the work, control the job....

[Lycanthrope]

Some teachers, the ones that really care, are worth their weight in gold. These are the teachers that work all day, all night, and offer something extra to help their students learn. Others, the ones coasting by on set guidelines, MAY be worth their weight in dung. The funny thing is, the big piles of shit are probably doing most of the bitching.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Well there are obviously lots of different opinions , but there are a few different sticking points here not just "paychecks" , many teachers want smaller class sizes, the thing is they aren't willing to lower their paychecks , so obviously that means alot more money needs to be put into the schools or else there is no comprimise.

With that being said, north americans do better than most in direct correlation to education , so really its just an investment..

So what it all boils down to is " is it a good investment " , and i think any investment person would say yes..

The more qualified , educated people we can churn out , the more taxes they will eventually pay in the future. seems like pretty simple math to me..

[Kassidy]

BradM, you don't even have children so what the hell are you talking about? I have 2 kids home from school this week, and sure, it's an inconvenience to me but I don't treat school like free daycare like many parents do.

Teachers in BC have not had pay raises in keeping with the cost of living, but that's not the only issue. Class sizes are getting bigger and bigger every year and access to special needs assistance is decreasing.

What does that mean for the children in public school? (because you don't have children I'll spell it out for you...)

My son is in a Grade 5/6 split class with one teacher and 31 kids. His teacher is teaching curriculum to two different grades at the same time while dealing with kids kids with behaviour problems disrupting the whole mix. There is VERY little access to learning assistance for the kids who need extra help due to learning disabilities so he has to take time away from the class as a whole to give the one-on-one help himself.

Larger class sizes and no classroom assistants to deal with learning and behaviour problems means less and less time and attention for each child which means a poorer education with every cut back.

Forcing teachers back to work with the threat of violence or legal action does nothing but cultivate bitterness and malcontent. Plus, it discourages wonderful, brilliant, creative people from becoming teachers in the first place. Who would go to university for 5 years to be treated like glorified daycare workers? The future of the teaching workforce is pretty sad and bleak for children when the only people becoming teachers will be the ones who are too stupid to get into any other university program and end up there by default.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

no matter how much $ you put in education it will not change shit. 99% of teachers are terrible and teach out of the book.

Most teachers totally suck.

High school used to drive me crazy because I was sitting there, partially wanting to learn, but nothing ever happened. I was bored ALL the time. Classes were too easy, teachers didn't care, students would run around the classroom and fuck around the whole session. That is no way to teach a class. Why is it allowed? Fucking tenure.

I don't know what its like in Canada, but in my eyes, tenure is hurting our system badly. Teachers have no real incentive to be good teachers unless they want to. Meaning, slacker teachers have no reason to work hard and push their students. My best teachers were the biggest pricks and demanded the most. My worst teachers were friendly people that didn't care what their students were doing.

In every job, employees are expected to hold their own and produce results. Why aren't teachers? Don't blame the kids... kids behave and react as they're expected to.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Kassidy

BradM, you don't even have children so what the hell are you talking about?

You dont have to be an artist to realise a painting sucks

But yes you summed it up fairly well..

The problem is 2 things.

Smaller class sizes and continual pay increases.

The governement only has a set amount to give out , so they certainly cant do both things at once.

Solution = more $$$

but the governemnt wont do that until a differenct percentage changes.. heres my theory on how they figure it out..

They poll 1000 people and see what percentage think the teachers demands should be met.. then they ask them if they will agree to pay more taxes to meet the teachers demands.. when those 2 percentages are close ( i.e. less blame for them ) the teachers dmeands will be met..

I bet if you asked right now it would be like 70% support teachers , but only 20% support increasing taxes to pay for it

[emmanuelle]

Originally Posted by BradM

There should be measures in place to FORCE the teachers back. Physical force if nessecary. Don't want to work? How about a police baton to the face? Still don't want to work? How's the brig sound?

They are playing hardball, we can do it too. Start throwing secretaries and leaders in jail for illegal strikes.

Please tell me you're joking

[MetaMan]

parents want the system to do to much for their children, it is your job to raise them and teach them not the teachers, and that it is the main reason why their shouldnt be more $ put in the school system, it changes nothing, kids learn the most from parents not from schools.

[emmanuelle]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

parents want the system to do to much for their children, it is your job to raise them and teach them not the teachers, and that it is the main reason why their shouldnt be more $ put in the school system, it changes nothing, kids learn the most from parents not from schools.

FEW parents raise their own children anymore. They rely on television and video games as babysitters; social norms and mores are developed on the playground.

Teachers spend more time with kids than most parents do these days. They are raising our next generation of leaders, as well as the people who will make our decisions for us. Someone who has the power and influence to mould an entire generation deserves the tools to do their job effectively, as well as our respect.

[BradM]

Kassidy you have a lot to say. I just got out of the system and am in the post sec system now. The difference is appauling towards the education system. You have valid points, but what we are really saying is the system doesn't work. IE special programs are bullshit. They need to go so kids that have a future can learn.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

FEW parents raise their own children anymore. They rely on television and video games as babysitters; social norms and mores are developed on the playground.

Teachers spend more time with kids than most parents do these days. They are raising our next generation of leaders, as well as the people who will make our decisions for us. Someone who has the power and influence to mould an entire generation deserves the tools to do their job effectively, as well as our respect.

I agree. GOOD teachers should have the opportunity to earn very well. Bad teachers should be kicked aside.

[JohnW]

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

You obviously got no idea of the workload teacher has ... after class, they gotta correct stuff, prepare upcomming lessons ... among other things .

If we want a good education system, we gotta start by paying the teachers well.

Also, classrooms are way over crowded ... should be groups of 16-20 ... 24 big maximum...

Class sizes are too big NOW?! When I was in grade 7 back in 1980, there were 35 kids in my class. I remember that pretty much every year there were 30+kids in all of my classes. This was 25 years ago! The teachers here in BC are STILL using the "class sizes are too big" line of bullshit and how it affects the "poor children's learning" to get what they want....Give me a break....

Jinny Sims (head of the BC Teachers Federation) needs a punch in the neck....


J.

[emmanuelle]

Originally Posted by BradM

appauling

Originally Posted by BradM

special programs are bullshit. They need to go so kids that have a future can learn.

Methinks that you could benefit from one of those special programs yourself. Not that you're going anywhere in life.

[Kassidy]

Originally Posted by BradM

Kassidy you have a lot to say. I just got out of the system and am in the post sec system now. The difference is appauling towards the education system. You have valid points, but what we are really saying is the system doesn't work. IE special programs are bullshit. They need to go so kids that have a future can learn.

Actually, what our current government is pushing for is a dual education system. By making public education so appalling they are forcing more and more families to choose home schooling or private schools as an option. These families will still pay the same amount of taxes plus pay out of pocket for additional services. The government will continue to piss away the extra money without improving the public school system for those without other options.

The current provincial government showed a $1.7 billion surplus in the 2004/5 fiscal year but will not allocate a sufficient amount of money to improve our limping education system. Instead they offer tax breaks to their big-business cronies.

Prior to the last election they 'set the example of fical responsibility' and took a 5% pay cut, only to turn around right after the election and give themselves a 10% raise! This doesn't include their salary bonuses. I simply don't think it's a fair arguement when they say that they don't have the money to improve the system and everyone needs to tighten their belts for the good of the province when they can't live by the same credence.

[Radik]

In my case it's no biggie we both work from home, but think about all the normal people with 9-5 jobs, mad rush for day care i'm sure; hmm might be a good biz.

[BradM]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

Methinks that you could benefit from one of those special programs yourself. Not that you're going anywhere in life.

You're right. Beating the shit out of a spic faggot would probably land me a hate crime.

[Kassidy]

Originally Posted by Radik

In my case it's no biggie we both work from home, but think about all the normal people with 9-5 jobs, mad rush for day care i'm sure; hmm might be a good biz.

You have no opinion on the strike or the state of system you send your kids into every day?

[sh33p]

The BC Govt is a bunch of dickheads. They're not handling this right. They should have spent more time trying to hash something out with the teachers, before ramming a contract down their throats. And btw, teachers don't just work 8-3:30. I know lots of teachers who work on the weekends, and do shit like buy their own supplies for class, because the cheap ass govt, won't provide anything. I see the govt gave the businesses a tax break, which essentially amounts to a raise. Why not give the teachers something as well?

[bhutocracy]

I hated highschool and the shitty teachers as much as the next guy.. I was almost expelled because the whole system bored me so much I went from being literally one of the top couple of students in the year to getting by and doing as little as possible while giving attitude at ridiculous and petty beauraucratic demands. The whole rote learning situation did so little to inspire me.. and some of the teachers were so seriously sub par.
BUT I STILL think they deserve more money.. compared to what they earnt in the 60's relative to other professions teachers earn squat now.. teaching used to be a viable career choice for intelligent university students.. now it's "shit.. im not good enough to do much else.. i'll just pick up a bachelor of education as a fall back into a mediocre in job if nothing else comes along" So we've got a generation of morons in fall back jobs they never really wanted and I wouldn't trust to teach my dogs how to sit in charge of students..
I was earning more than anyone bar the Headmaster 2 years into the workforce... we really need to attract bright students back to teaching.. tighten the entry requirements and increase the pay. I'm all for them striking. Not that it will do them a lick of good. They just an easy punching bag for everyone else whinging about holidays and supposed 9-3 working hours.
You couldn't get me to babysit mommy and daddy's little shit stirring prince and princesses for double what they're asking.

[Holly]

Brad, you don't even have children. The biggest worry you have right now is wondering if this week's episode of The OC is a repeat. You and MetaMan are both being stupid jackasses. I am tempted to tell you why, but it's Friday night and I'm too tired to type a bunch of shit about Canadian schools. Instead, I think the two of you should juice each other up and then sodomize each other, like the butt pirates that I know you both are. I'm also considering telling your girlfriend that you're bisexual.

[Radik]

So someone told me tonight our budget is 53% wages; talk about a bloated goverment. The reason wages are so high is shit like this imho; as a high braket tax payer unions should die.

[Kassidy]

Originally Posted by Radik

So someone told me tonight our budget is 53% wages; talk about a bloated goverment. The reason wages are so high is shit like this imho; as a high braket tax payer unions should die.

And, as a father, what is your alternative? As a 'high tax braket' what is keeping you from seeking out a private education for your chidren?

[the Shemp]

a little anarchy never hurt..