Fuck Level(3) and their Intimidation tactics!! - GoFuckYourself.com

VAIRES · 10-05-2005, 08:29 PM

I have reviewed all information available at this time, including discussion threads on many sites more specialised than Slashdot. This is bad. Very bad. Right now, there are millions of Internet users with partial connectivity.

But the action of Level3 is not merely an inconvenience to end users; it is hurting a great many small businesses, badly. There are thousands of small businesses that depend on single-homed Internet connectivity and that cannot afford dual-homing. There are dozens of low-cost datacenters that provide single-homed bandwith to tens of thousands of servers.

As we speak, the livelyhoods of thousands of entrepreneurs are being threatened. Many people depend on being able to offer internet services to any peer on the net. But today, Level3 has changed the rules of the game, and have split the Internet into two somewhat isolated internets.

This is happening on a very large scale. Sure, most of the affected people and businesses are going to get through it just fine. But given the sheer scale of the Internet, a small percentage of those depending on full connectivity will not escape this ordeal unscathed.

You can be sure that a few small businesses will close because of this, the reputations of a few persons will be damaged, and there will be a few bankruptcies - all because of Level3's evil actions. You won't hear about it in the media - nobody cares about such small-scale damage. But the damage is already done, and it is getting worse with every passing hour.

I urge you to join me in a five-minute hate against Level3 and all that their evil discriminative ways stand for. While Cogent is widely recognized for its shitty cut-rate network, they are the good guys here. In the past few years, Cogent has been a major driving force for lowering bandwith costs. Level3 is fighting back, and they long for the days where they charged 5000$/mbps. I say: down with Level3 !

Juno · 10-05-2005, 08:35 PM

Stop smoking weed it's killing your brain cells. Same with reading Slashdot

warlock5 · 10-05-2005, 08:49 PM

I hope someone gets fucking sued after this is all over. I don't care who it is. If they don't, the government is going to step in and regulate or take some companies over.

Doctor Dre · 10-05-2005, 08:55 PM

I wrote an email to their investor management ... maybe that'll help

split_joel · 10-05-2005, 09:12 PM

im not trying to be rude, but its kind of your fault for sticking with level 3 and only level 3 dependecys theres alot out there, alot of it is good, try something else

VHNet · 10-05-2005, 09:16 PM

They're jealous that they can't compete with companies using/reselling their own network! What a shame.

davidd · 10-05-2005, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VAIRES

I have reviewed all information available at this time, including discussion threads on many sites more specialised than Slashdot. This is bad. Very bad. Right now, there are millions of Internet users with partial connectivity.

But the action of Level3 is not merely an inconvenience to end users; it is hurting a great many small businesses, badly. There are thousands of small businesses that depend on single-homed Internet connectivity and that cannot afford dual-homing. There are dozens of low-cost datacenters that provide single-homed bandwith to tens of thousands of servers.

As we speak, the livelyhoods of thousands of entrepreneurs are being threatened. Many people depend on being able to offer internet services to any peer on the net. But today, Level3 has changed the rules of the game, and have split the Internet into two somewhat isolated internets.

This is happening on a very large scale. Sure, most of the affected people and businesses are going to get through it just fine. But given the sheer scale of the Internet, a small percentage of those depending on full connectivity will not escape this ordeal unscathed.

You can be sure that a few small businesses will close because of this, the reputations of a few persons will be damaged, and there will be a few bankruptcies - all because of Level3's evil actions. You won't hear about it in the media - nobody cares about such small-scale damage. But the damage is already done, and it is getting worse with every passing hour.

I urge you to join me in a five-minute hate against Level3 and all that their evil discriminative ways stand for. While Cogent is widely recognized for its shitty cut-rate network, they are the good guys here. In the past few years, Cogent has been a major driving force for lowering bandwith costs. Level3 is fighting back, and they long for the days where they charged 5000$/mbps. I say: down with Level3 !

1. You are a dipshit, with no clue.

2. Level3 Never Charged $5000 per mbps, in 1998 (when I first started buying DS3's) UUnet & AT&T used to charge $650 per mbps. Level3 came on the seen and starting charging $250 to $300.

3. Cogent since day one, came on the seen and cut everyone's throat with the shittiest network on the planet.

4. Peering requires matching traffic... If you can not meet the agreement of the peering arrangement, you are now a customer, not a peer. Pay up.

5. Any hosting company selling cogent bandwidth is not a hosting company. They are clowns.

deniska · 10-05-2005, 09:23 PM

just goes to show it pays to be with a host who is multi homed.. a good hosting company will find ways to route your traffic to 100% of the internet..

if your hosting company is single homed.. level3 only or cogent only you asking for trouble, many hosts here are

Halcyon · 10-05-2005, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidd

1. You are a dipshit, with no clue.

2. Level3 Never Charged $5000 per mbps, in 1998 (when I first started buying DS3's) UUnet & AT&T used to charge $650 per mbps. Level3 came on the seen and starting charging $250 to $300.

3. Cogent since day one, came on the seen and cut everyone's throat with the shittiest network on the planet.

4. Peering requires matching traffic... If you can not meet the agreement of the peering arrangement, you are now a customer, not a peer. Pay up.

5. Any hosting company selling cogent bandwidth is not a hosting company. They are clowns.

I wish you would stop beating around the bush, David.
;)

nnweb · 10-05-2005, 09:57 PM

fuck that L3 rocks and cogent is shit.

always has been and always will be.

I'm glad I use real bandwidth not some cheap $2k/month GARBAGE!

split_joel · 10-05-2005, 10:02 PM

preach on

Quote:

Originally Posted by deniska

just goes to show it pays to be with a host who is multi homed.. a good hosting company will find ways to route your traffic to 100% of the internet..

if your hosting company is single homed.. level3 only or cogent only you asking for trouble, many hosts here are

CheeseFrog · 10-05-2005, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by split_joel

im not trying to be rude, but its kind of your fault for sticking with level 3 and only level 3 dependecys theres alot out there, alot of it is good, try something else

Yeah, it's your fault VAIRES. Fuckin get that shit working NOW dammit. Whatever you did, it's hurting my business!

webair · 11-05-2005, 10:13 AM

varies = MAGG

buyers beware of this dipshit

VAIRES · 11-05-2005, 10:17 AM

Huh? wtf are you takling about dipshit?

webair SUX

10-05-2005, 08:29 PM	#1
VAIRES Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 292	Fuck Level(3) and their Intimidation tactics!! I have reviewed all information available at this time, including discussion threads on many sites more specialised than Slashdot. This is bad. Very bad. Right now, there are millions of Internet users with partial connectivity. But the action of Level3 is not merely an inconvenience to end users; it is hurting a great many small businesses, badly. There are thousands of small businesses that depend on single-homed Internet connectivity and that cannot afford dual-homing. There are dozens of low-cost datacenters that provide single-homed bandwith to tens of thousands of servers. As we speak, the livelyhoods of thousands of entrepreneurs are being threatened. Many people depend on being able to offer internet services to any peer on the net. But today, Level3 has changed the rules of the game, and have split the Internet into two somewhat isolated internets. This is happening on a very large scale. Sure, most of the affected people and businesses are going to get through it just fine. But given the sheer scale of the Internet, a small percentage of those depending on full connectivity will not escape this ordeal unscathed. You can be sure that a few small businesses will close because of this, the reputations of a few persons will be damaged, and there will be a few bankruptcies - all because of Level3's evil actions. You won't hear about it in the media - nobody cares about such small-scale damage. But the damage is already done, and it is getting worse with every passing hour. I urge you to join me in a five-minute hate against Level3 and all that their evil discriminative ways stand for. While Cogent is widely recognized for its shitty cut-rate network, they are the good guys here. In the past few years, Cogent has been a major driving force for lowering bandwith costs. Level3 is fighting back, and they long for the days where they charged 5000$/mbps. I say: down with Level3 !

10-05-2005, 09:12 PM	#5
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11-05-2005, 10:13 AM	#13
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10-05-2005, 08:35 PM	#2
Juno Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 55	Stop smoking weed it's killing your brain cells. Same with reading Slashdot

10-05-2005, 08:49 PM	#3
warlock5 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Uranus Posts: 2,808	I hope someone gets fucking sued after this is all over. I don't care who it is. If they don't, the government is going to step in and regulate or take some companies over.

10-05-2005, 09:23 PM	#8
deniska Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Miami Beach, FL Posts: 1,053	just goes to show it pays to be with a host who is multi homed.. a good hosting company will find ways to route your traffic to 100% of the internet.. if your hosting company is single homed.. level3 only or cogent only you asking for trouble, many hosts here are

10-05-2005, 09:57 PM	#10
nnweb Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: OC Posts: 720	fuck that L3 rocks and cogent is shit. always has been and always will be. I'm glad I use real bandwidth not some cheap $2k/month GARBAGE!

11-05-2005, 10:17 AM	#14
VAIRES Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 292	Huh? wtf are you takling about dipshit? webair SUX