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k. since we are changing over to nats i am gonna defend them here and i am gonna tell you why....

1.
nats uses cascading billing, ccbill does not... that means that all those denied sales have a second chance at being run through, i get many of those daily now, sales that affiliates would not have gottan with ccbill

2.
ccbill uses cookies, meaning non-cookie traffic(12%) will not get credit, nats will give credit to non-cookie traffic. also, when you use a nats sponsor you will notice a bookmark referral stat, those are people who left, then came back to the sponsors url, and you still get credit for that, you see nats tracks that, so if they see a gallery on your site, then leave and come back to the paysite later... it tracks that and gives you credit

3.
nats gives you amazing stats, not just of the urls that made sales, but also the ones that did not, so you can track how many clicks each gallery does and which pay spots, tgps, etc. list ya and give you sales

4.
it allows things like bonuses, different payouts for different sites, higher payout weekends and much more

most companies use nats or another type of stats program, you just do not always know which one they use because they customize the pages so much

when a program changes to nats people say... oh look i got 6 sales today with ccbill and only 2 with nats, but they sometimes do not realize that the old links have been around for many months and many sales come from old links.

nats is NOT a tool to allow sponsors to cheat, most sponsors do not cheat, that is like biting the hand that feeds ya, i want my affiliates to have the best conversions possible and the most sales possible so they keep pushing our program.... anyone who does otherwise is a fool

nats does not change sales in any way, it tracks stats, the billers remain the same, as do the tours and everything else

Maya

Relates.


2HP

BTW
still keep forgettin to change sig
30 pps for hodough.... with nats :thumbsup

Nats:

Is not 3rd party processing...

Old School.

Some mainstream business pay more than 1 or 2% of sales you know? its all about volume of sales

If a sponsor cant provide what you need , there is 500 other in the spool

Some sponsors should read that article you posted. The stuff he's saying is real.

I'm thinking of shooting or buying my own content and updating my free site with it everyday and sending my traffic to non-adult. A brand new unseen free video on my site everyday might get a shit load of bookmarkers.

Concept: Give away good porn to get traffic and sell the traffic to something other than porn. Porn is just not paying enough for my efforts anymore.

Idea: Promote mail order products with your own branded mail box.

This way you can sell anything you have access to and the surfer is not thinking he is buying from a porn site. He sends his check and order number to "Joe's Clearing House" and doesn't put his credit card into Blackmonsters.com

Become and "exclusive" free site.
-Hire a webhost with exclusive contract to be on webcam every day to see
if you can build a personality(celeb) attraction to your site.
-Do your own shoots and only post on your domain.

If traffic can build your name then drop traffic trades and sponsor links and make your money through the mail box.


That was just an "off-the-cuff" idea so I'm sure there are flaws there; but the point is that I have to start doing thing differrently if I want to earn the kind of money I need.

Sounds like you're about to open your own paysite, congrats :)

Doable for big affiliates ... small ones will have to stick ot the norm

No, cause I already did that.

I'm thinking about having a free site with paysite quality that gets 300k bookmarks and linking out only to my own stores where I sell someone 3 pairs
of crotchless panties for $30 each. Try getting someone to sign up to three differrent porn sites and I think you will get the picture here: The potential to get a $300 sale instead of $35 a sign up. :winkwink:

I like much of what your saying and have felt at times my forwarded traffic from my premium domains would convert much better had there been some way for me to cobrand the destination site or sponsor content they see. I feel though that for much of what your saying to actually happen sponsors will have to initially cut into their profit margins and shell out the money needed to make it happen. Frankly, I don't see that happening because for every 1 of you, there's 100 other affiliates who are content doing things the way they are now.

The only real motivation for sponsors to change would be if affiliates began boycotting them and their sales started declining. I will add though, that the one sponsor who is really able to listen to affiliates and integrate many of these ideas on a large scale will definitely take a competitive lead.

NO. CCbill uses cookies and IP tracking.

Bingo


:thumbsup

This thread is rather interesting. Many things have changed in the over the years in promotion of adult products and the way they are delivered to customers. And they will continue to change. It all falls back to the ultimate goal of delivery of the product to the end user.

Producing original content can be expensive, time consuming and risky. Right now, there is a FLOOD of professional adult production companies taking the plunge into the online market. It seems half the new sites I see are rips from DVDs I jerked off to 3 years ago. Many of these professional companies have finally embraced the idea that there's a few bucks to be made online, hence the heavy competition for affiliates and the market shift. The online market is becoming just as saturated as the straight DVD market. The sad thing is once it hits that level, expect to see companies dropping like flies with your hard earned affilliate checks in tow.

I'm sure we'll see more companies that will come out with weak sites, but tons of initial capital. They'll want to make a big 'splash' by offerring things like $200 sign ups and $1000 webmaster referrals. No wonder affililiates suspect shaving from certain programs, because the numbers just don't add up. Some programs would need 3+ months of rebills and tons on in-house generated sales just to break even.

The last comment I have is please don't give away any more free porn. That's a big part of the problem now. Why give away something you can obviously sell, in hopes of selling something different?

I'll be on ICQ if anyone needs anything :)

You speak of us sponsors like we are evil.

We are not evil, I assure you ;)

My only suggestion is, why not watermark your videos with your own domain that you own and use that domain to a "bring your own tour" type thing that ARS does, or link directly to join pages. Even worst case, 302 redirect or metarefresh to a domain with a very similiar url name.

So in the above situation, the sponsor doesn't pay to host your movies. But I think this is a good idea - this is why I never did movies for 3rd party sponsors back when I was "a submitter".

If you are interested in this plan, I might even host your movie gallery pages. Hit me up on icq if you have teen traffic.

18287590

Thanks

There is a ton I could say about how wrong you are in this thread, but I will not. The only thing I will point out is that giving away free porn is no longer an issue amongst webmasters.

Yes there are a billion TGPs - but the real issue is the 900GB of porn being posted DAILY to the news servers. I mean, when I want to jerk off to porn, where do you think I go? ;)

It's o.k. to correct me if i'm wrong. I love learning new things :)

As a sponsor you know where the money comes from. Thats all I will say about it ;)

Yeah! And why don't sponsors have health insurance, college funds and a table dance allowlance for us too?

When reading this thread i was baffled.
You talk about sponsors like they sit back, relax and count the money you make for them.

I'll give you a short update on how this industry developped over the years.
I can clearly remember the time where you had to get your server, buy your content, design your gallery and submit it to TGP/MGP. That's how it WAS done.

More sponsors/competition joined the market so sponsors had to do that little extra for their affiliates. We got to the point where sponsors actually provide you with ALL the tools you need to start making bling without investing ONE dime. You get free hosting, free content to use, some give you a custom design for your gallery template if you ask them and on top of that alot give you a free submit tool like an RS account or something and you have the balls to say you gonna start a revolution??

Let me say something to you, the revolution has already ended, it ended when we affiliates got all we could ever wish for.
On a side note, i don't have anything to do with any sponsor, i don't work for one and have no special relations with one.

Just had to get this of my chest, carry on.

Say what you want but I know what is a fact.
If a new big sponsor comes on the sceen and is willing to co-brand domains with affiilates then they will get tons of affiliates to sign up.
Those affiliates will move other sponsor banners to a lower priority.

I'm thinking of a easy way to do co-branding and if I find it I will be the first sponsor to offer it.

Yeah Im pretty tired of making other people rich off my hardwork.. Im starting my own paysites, I just got my first one going and all ready converts 10 fold over my other sponsors.

Then what do you expect exactly? You think your convertions will change? To be honest i don't think you will see any change in ratios if you co-branding. Most systems use cookies so it doesn't really mather what url the visitor came from or server based tracking systems combined with cookies or whatever. Just :2 cents:

You're out of your fucking mind!
Surfers click a gallery, download the movies then type in the URL on the movie and sign up 3 days later. Where is the fucking "cookie"?!? They never went to the pay site to begin with. Now co-brand my hosted galleries and that surfer types in MY URL/domain to signup.

I have already tested this. I put up branded videos with no link to the actual site and counted the type in signups. No link equals no click so they had to type in and this was more conversions than a direct link without branded video.

Your numbers are 1000% OFF, I wish your numbers were correct cause then us sponsors could payout $50-60 all day everyday, and in this competitive market BELIEVE ME if someone could payout $50 per join (without shaving) THEY WOULD and they would collect big market share. BUT your numbers are wrong and way off by a long shot!

Typeins on movie url's?, not that many people goto the effort of doing that, most people 95% just want to click around and jerkoff to free porn and if they find something good they signup then and there. The easier it is the more people signup, your idea that large amounts of them are typing url's off there downloaded movies way off base. Only a small % of people end up as typeins on the frontpage. probably 3-5% at best.

You forget that sponsors now give you free content, free hosting, great looking sites to promote and they have all the expenses (and us sponsors have a lot of expenses).
As an example my hosting bill for Free hosting for affilates was around US$10,000 last month, and our total hosting bill was $17,000 just for last month. Not to mention $10,000's in employees & $10,000's in content licenses.

We payout $25-30 on all our sites with $1 trials. let me tell you 50% of those $1 trials don't convert to full price so us collecting the 3-5% of typein traffic to help payout that high payout on low trials is nessesary otherwise we just lose money.

Affilates have A GOOD market in adult these days, as there is so many sponsors affialtes can be sure to get a great deal cause if they don't they just move onto the next sponsor. Sponsors are paying out as much as they possibily can to be competitive. (PPS sponsors that is).

Cheers

Matt

Sorry to debunk your numbers and idea but they are way off. I've run a program for 3 years now and know the numbers inside out. You've done 1 test with 2 sponsors and claim a Revolution.

Agreed with everything you said Matt thanks for making the long post. Got run 10 tests with the exact same traffic and produce the same results, what you've got aren't statistics, but a statistical anomaly that I'm about 99% sure you're not going to see repeated over and over again.

You've run a program for 3 years. :1orglaugh
I've done it twice as long as you.

Your numbers are 100% bullshit. I believe in what I said so much that I smile when people hot-link my co-branded videos. When some bozo post a link to my movies on some porn message board I get type-in sign ups like crazy.
They are advertizing for me without getting paid(which is what you fucking want me to do). I love it. Linkhotten away! :1orglaugh

Nothing wrong with this idea at all, lots of good points in this thread.

Within reason of course this is very doable.

so basically you cant afford hosting or domain names, and this is your plan to scam them out of sponsors, right?

Okay so Matt's only done it for 3, I've done it for 8+, not that that matters.

You've done 1 test and you claim Matt's #'s are 100% bullshit? Strange I don't see tons of sponsors jumping in here wanting to offer this to you, I would have thought with this new traffic goldmine you had found everyone would bend over backwards for you.

That's because they know I'm right. Sponsors who do what I want will then have to split those sign ups with me. They will avoid that as long as possible. But it will be unavoidable after a few big sponsors start co-branding because only a fool will keep doing things the old way.

You will see. Give it another year or two.
Webmasters are going to start going out of biz because of low conversions and the affiliate pool will shrink to shit. Sponsors will then see that co-branding is a way to get the cream of the affiliates that are still in biz; and they will fucking need them bad!

some sponsors proably get more typein signup based on their content and domain name, but i don't think it's as much as you think blackmosters or those sponsors would be paying out $50-60 a join

[QUOTE=daveylapoo]It's silly to suggest a sponsor doing what you ask for every affiliate, but if you can prove you have traffic and can generate some decent sales, why not hit up a specific sponsor with your ideas.[QUOTE]

Agreed. This is something that you should consider. Everyone's needs are different, if you find sponsors that you could work with you may want to contact them and see where it goes.

good thread deservers a bump