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  • Serge_Oprano
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    • Feb 2002
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    #101
    Originally posted by bhutocracy
    you really have to stop assuming that because someone points out obvious flaws in israel's actions that they are against jews, or pro arabs, that because someone points out flaws in US foreign policy that they are anti-US and pro UN or commie, that by pointing out the flaws in a the anti-whatever person's country it's somehow a revelation to that person, given they are the sort of person to notice injustice.

    jesus people... fucking let go. thers no black and white.. no "my country's perfect"...
    what Israel Action?
    Self Defense???

    go take another look on the map and how 6 mln Israelies dominate 250 mlns poor Arabs

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      • Serge_Oprano
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        • Feb 2002
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        #102
        Originally posted by bhutocracy
        LOL fucking hell serge you KNOW im not anti-semetic and you're just poking fun to annoy me...
        you are not?

        prove it,
        repeat after me:
        Baruh Hota Adenoi alaheinu meleh maaolam...


        127 times!

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          • drumsicle
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            • Jul 2001
            • 1049
            #103
            Originally posted by bhutocracy
            LOL fucking hell serge you KNOW im not anti-semetic and you're just poking fun to annoy me...
            You are right...people should not be labeled that way unless that is what they are. But some people get confused when they see a person who isn't anti-semetic using information created by those who are. I'm just saying that sometimes the "facts" are not facts at all, but the tools of propagandists. I don't mean to implicate you in any of that. I'm just pointing out how people can be easily confused in these matters.
            Another worthless post?

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              • mika
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                • Sep 2001
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                #104
                99% of people believe in propaganda (not all, but good propaganda) according to studies.
                You're lucky if you belong to that 1%, but probably you just THINK you do.

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                  • bhutocracy
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                    • Dec 2001
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                    #105
                    puh-lease.. it's not just self-defence... you HAVE to know that.. why do you think they don't want peace-keeping troops there?
                    they aren't dominating 250 arabs.. im not talking about anyone else but palestinians... i don't give a toss about the arab world at large.. im not putting them all in the same box.. if iraq attacked israel then thats just plain war - im not taking sides..... not all arab countries are the same.. thats like saying france and the US are a unified entity.. and please don't think i condone palestinian actions either... murder is murder.. killing is killing..

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                      • mika
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                        • Sep 2001
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                        #106
                        Originally posted by bhutocracy
                        thats like saying france and the US are a unified entity
                        I thought all NATO countries =USA. not just France LOL

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                          • Serge_Oprano
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                            • Feb 2002
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                            #107
                            Originally posted by bhutocracy
                            puh-lease.. it's not just self-defence... you HAVE to know that.. why do you think they don't want peace-keeping troops there?
                            they aren't dominating 250 arabs.. im not talking about anyone else but palestinians... i don't give a toss about the arab world at large.. im not putting them all in the same box.. if iraq attacked israel then thats just plain war - im not taking sides..... not all arab countries are the same.. thats like saying france and the US are a unified entity.. and please don't think i condone palestinian actions either... murder is murder.. killing is killing..
                            oh yeah?
                            did we do wrong if we KILLED Bin Laden?

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                              • bhutocracy
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                                • Dec 2001
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                                #108
                                Originally posted by drumsicle


                                You are right...people should not be labeled that way unless that is what they are. But some people get confused when they see a person who isn't anti-semetic using information created by those who are. I'm just saying that sometimes the "facts" are not facts at all, but the tools of propagandists. I don't mean to implicate you in any of that. I'm just pointing out how people can be easily confused in these matters.
                                oh of course theres heaps of propaganda out there.. it's scary - i was talking to a muslim cab driver the other day and he was goin on about how 9/11 was a jewish conspiracy and jews were secretly told not to come to work that day and whatnot... sure thats an extreme and i don't pretend to have cut through ALL bias.. no-one can.. but i have taken a step back and don't support the actions of either side.. i hold no attachment...

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                                  • bhutocracy
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                                    • Dec 2001
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                                    #109
                                    Originally posted by Serge_Oprano


                                    oh yeah?
                                    did we do wrong if we KILLED Bin Laden?
                                    yeah well thats an exception lol but there IS a difference between a proven arch terrorist and yer average jew or arab.

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                                      • Serge_Oprano
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                                        • Feb 2002
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                                        #110
                                        Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                        puh-lease.. it's not just self-defence... you HAVE to know that.. why do you think they don't want peace-keeping troops there?
                                        Because Peace Keeping Troops
                                        are not trained in fighting terrorists and suicide bombers.

                                        Do YOU see PKT working as Border patrols and going, like we did in Afganistan, to the heart of the matters?

                                        I don't think so....

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                                          • Serge_Oprano
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                                            • Feb 2002
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                                            #111
                                            Originally posted by bhutocracy


                                            yeah well thats an exception lol but there IS a difference between a proven arch terrorist and yer average jew or arab.
                                            sure, sure, and who were the ones who trained suicide bombers who blow pizza parlors full of children and women, discoteques full of teens?

                                            Average arabs? And how do YOU get them?

                                            By singing Kumbaya in 37 languages?

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                                              • mika
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                                                • Sep 2001
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                                                #112
                                                Hey Serge and bhutocracy

                                                I'm looking for an answer to one simple question. Please give me an answer or a way how I can find the answer:

                                                "When old wounds will mend?"

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                                                  • bhutocracy
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                                                    • Dec 2001
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                                                    #113
                                                    Originally posted by Serge_Oprano


                                                    you are not?

                                                    prove it,
                                                    repeat after me:
                                                    Baruh Hota Adenoi alaheinu meleh maaolam...


                                                    127 times!
                                                    heheh... that had better not mean "i am a dickhead"

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                                                      • Serge_Oprano
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                                                        • Feb 2002
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                                                        #114
                                                        Originally posted by bhutocracy


                                                        heheh... that had better not mean "i am a dickhead"
                                                        don't worry,
                                                        this is just a blessing, it's harmfull even in large dozes

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                                                          • bhutocracy
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                                                            • Dec 2001
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                                                            #115
                                                            Originally posted by Serge_Oprano


                                                            sure, sure, and who were the ones who trained suicide bombers who blow pizza parlors full of children and women, discoteques full of teens?

                                                            Average arabs? And how do YOU get them?

                                                            By singing Kumbaya in 37 languages?
                                                            did i ever say not to kill such a person to prevent more murder?
                                                            are you saying average arabs are suicide bomber trainers?
                                                            im talking about the innocents on both sides - the people just like you and me who inevitably suffer


                                                            i think kumbaya would be pretty similar in most languages

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                                                              • Serge_Oprano
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                                                                • Feb 2002
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                                                                #116
                                                                Originally posted by mika
                                                                Hey Serge and bhutocracy

                                                                I'm looking for an answer to one simple question. Please give me an answer or a way how I can find the answer:

                                                                "When old wounds will mend?"
                                                                Never,
                                                                'cuz they ALWAYS be replaced by the new ones....

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                                                                  • Serge_Oprano
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                                                                    • Feb 2002
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                                                                    #117
                                                                    Originally posted by bhutocracy


                                                                    did i ever say not to kill such a person to prevent more murder?
                                                                    are you saying average arabs are suicide bomber trainers?
                                                                    of course I don't, but...they LIVE and WORK among the average arabs and getting to them is not always easy.


                                                                    Cowards...they use their own people as a human shields...
                                                                    do THEY care about their own people?

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                                                                      • bhutocracy
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                                                                        • Dec 2001
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                                                                        #118
                                                                        Originally posted by mika
                                                                        Hey Serge and bhutocracy

                                                                        I'm looking for an answer to one simple question. Please give me an answer or a way how I can find the answer:

                                                                        "When old wounds will mend?"

                                                                        lol.... well fuck me....

                                                                        the "happy happy world" way: there should be UN peacekeepers on the ground to impart some presence that isn't intent on killing the other..... the palestinians being the oppressed have to realise that they will never truly defeat israel and quit the suicide bombing, the israelis have to recognise this and stop the current bombing campaign and demilitarise they have to be watched over like children for 500 years until they get used to living together.. cause that the only way it will happen.. palestinians will always want their land.. and the israelis will never give it back they have to live neighbour to neighbour in relative prosperity with neither side an underclass..

                                                                        as this will never happen because it's fairy-land talk.. it will take the obliteration of one side...

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                                                                          • bhutocracy
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                                                                            • Dec 2001
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                                                                            #119
                                                                            Originally posted by Serge_Oprano


                                                                            of course I don't, but...they LIVE and WORK among the average arabs and getting to them is not always easy.


                                                                            Cowards...they use their own people as a human shields...
                                                                            do THEY care about their own people?
                                                                            and i DO support getting them..... just not missing and killing innocents..

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                                                                              • Serge_Oprano
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                                                                                • Feb 2002
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                                                                                #120
                                                                                Originally posted by bhutocracy



                                                                                lol.... well fuck me....

                                                                                the "happy happy world" way: there should be UN peacekeepers on the ground to impart some presence that isn't intent on killing the other..... the palestinians being the oppressed have to realise that they will never truly defeat israel and quit the suicide bombing, the israelis have to recognise this and stop the current bombing campaign and demilitarise they have to be watched over like children for 500 years until they get used to living together.. cause that the only way it will happen.. palestinians will always want their land.. and the israelis will never give it back they have to live neighbour to neighbour in relative prosperity with neither side an underclass..

                                                                                as this will never happen because it's fairy-land talk.. it will take the obliteration of one side...
                                                                                no, you are NOT anti-semite,
                                                                                I take it back,
                                                                                my mistake.

                                                                                you are just young, but this also shall pass
                                                                                ;)

                                                                                nice chatting with ya.

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                                                                                  • bhutocracy
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                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    i also don't think it's a religious thing.. it's just a power thing.. religion is an easy rallying point and identifier though.. but the current situtaion would still be the same if both sides were atheistic..

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                                                                                      • bhutocracy
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                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        Originally posted by Serge_Oprano


                                                                                        no, you are NOT anti-semite,
                                                                                        I take it back,
                                                                                        my mistake.

                                                                                        you are just young, but this also shall pass
                                                                                        ;)

                                                                                        nice chatting with ya.
                                                                                        lol i'll grant you the last insult because i have been antagonistic as well.. nice chatting to you too pops.
                                                                                        Last edited by bhutocracy; 03-02-2002, 02:39 AM.

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                                                                                          • tpr2k
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                                                                                            • Mar 2002
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                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            this is why we got into this situation in the first place..

                                                                                            because the palestinians are teaching their young children to hate Israelis and instead of teaching them math or literature they teach them how to use fire arms!








                                                                                            this, i think sums up the entire situation between Israel and the Palestinians :

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                                                                                              • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                #124
                                                                                                Originally posted by tpr2k
                                                                                                [B]this is why we got into this situation in the first place.. [b]
                                                                                                no.. no it's not.. that is the action of retaliation.. not instigation.. the west interfering with other countries is how "we got into the situation in the first place"... just like kashmir...

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                                                                                                  • tpr2k
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                                                                                                    • Mar 2002
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                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    this might sound a bit drastic.. but.. alot (or ALL) of what the palestinians say to the Western Media is LIES here's a little "Demonstarion" of what the Palestinians do in front of Western Journalists... (this is from a french reporter..)
                                                                                                    (the file is only 600-700k so don't mind the lame bandwidth )
                                                                                                    http://idf2000.co.il/images/junkmail...junkmail3.mpeg

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                                                                                                      • drumsicle
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                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                                                        puh-lease.. it's not just self-defence... you HAVE to know that.. why do you think they don't want peace-keeping troops there?
                                                                                                        Utterly ridiculous. The PA charter to this day calls for the complete annihilation of Israel. It is self defense plain and simple. You are so easily fooled by "Palestinian" propaganda. They themselves are a myth. The world knew of no Palestinian people prior to the 67 war, when Israel took more land. Yassir arafat is fucking EGYPTIAN.
                                                                                                        Another worthless post?

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                                                                                                          • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            what, - play "3 stooges"?

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                                                                                                              • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                Originally posted by drumsicle


                                                                                                                Utterly ridiculous. The PA charter to this day calls for the complete annihilation of Israel. It is self defense plain and simple. You are so easily fooled by "Palestinian" propaganda. They themselves are a myth. The world knew of no Palestinian people prior to the 67 war, when Israel took more land. Yassir arafat is fucking EGYPTIAN.
                                                                                                                *sigh* yeah.. all the palestinian propaganda i get... defense DOES NOT include retalitory strikes and killing innocent civilians .. stop being so easily decieved by "jewish" propaganda...
                                                                                                                Last edited by bhutocracy; 03-02-2002, 03:12 AM.

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                                                                                                                  • tpr2k
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                                                                                                                    • Mar 2002
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                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                                                                    what, - play "3 stooges"?
                                                                                                                    to whome are you reffering ?

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                                                                                                                      • drumsicle
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                                                                                                                        #130
                                                                                                                        It started when the UN said that any arab living in the area for at least 2 years prior to the state of Israel, could be considered a refugee. A great many "palestinians" were quickly created in order to benefit from UN welfare.
                                                                                                                        Another worthless post?

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                                                                                                                          • Terenzo
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                                                                                                                            #131
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Danny_C

                                                                                                                            3) I want to reinforce the fact that I'm NOT excusing any terrorism. I'm against violence in all forms. It was a philosophical argument. I just think people are too quick to judge on the wrong basis, and defend their own before they really consider every angle. We have too much pride, at the expense of objective thought. To sum up: I think there are better ways we could be handling that situation.
                                                                                                                            that's right
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                                                                                                                              • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                                #132
                                                                                                                                the video.. - what i was intimating is that if you're going to post a video to make a point at least make it understandable.. for all i know given the report was in french was that the blue van was an ambulance and he backed up too fast

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                                                                                                                                  • drumsicle
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                                                                                                                                    #133
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by bhutocracy


                                                                                                                                    *sigh* yeah.. all the palestinian propaganda i get... defense DOES NOT include retalitory strikes and killing innocent civilians .. stop being so easily decieved by "jewish" propaganda...
                                                                                                                                    Defense does not include retaliatory strikes? Ok I think I get it now. You hit me. I am unable to prevent it. I am not allowed to hit back. That seems perfectly fair.

                                                                                                                                    How does anyone on the Palestinian side have the gall to complain of the killing of civilians. Un-fucking-believeable.
                                                                                                                                    Another worthless post?

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                                                                                                                                      • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                                        #134
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by drumsicle


                                                                                                                                        Defense does not include retaliatory strikes? Ok I think I get it now. You hit me. I am unable to prevent it. I am not allowed to hit back. That seems perfectly fair.

                                                                                                                                        How does anyone on the Palestinian side have the gall to complain of the killing of civilians. Un-fucking-believeable.
                                                                                                                                        nope you don't get it at all.. even though i explained it perfectly well a few dozen posts ago...

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                                                                                                                                          • tpr2k
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                                                                                                                                            #135
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by bhutocracy


                                                                                                                                            *sigh* yeah.. all the palestinian propaganda i get... defense DOES NOT include retalitory strikes.. stop being so easily decieved by "jewish" propaganda...
                                                                                                                                            "does not include retaliation strikes" ?!?!?!!? so how should you call all the suicide bombers ? all those people who shoot innocent Israelis!?!?!?

                                                                                                                                            what is the reason in bombing a bus full of children in the middle of Jerusalem ? what will come out of an act like that ?

                                                                                                                                            this sort of act will only cause the Israelis to take more harmfull actions upon the palestinians!

                                                                                                                                            this cycle of violence will not stop UNTILL the palestinians will stop raising their children to hate israel and encourage them that being a suicide bomber is the best thing that could happen to him (or her as we've seen in the last week)

                                                                                                                                            the palestinians are also getting funds from terror supporting countries (hmm... the name Iran comes to mind...) who declare that they will support the family's of every man/woman/child/whoever "gives" his life to for the Jihad against Israel (and the western world for that matter...)

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                                                                                                                                              • drumsicle
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                                                                                                                                                #136
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by bhutocracy


                                                                                                                                                nope you don't get it at all.. even though i explained it perfectly well a few dozen posts ago...
                                                                                                                                                Another worthless post?

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                                                                                                                                                  • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                                                    #137
                                                                                                                                                    in case you didn't bother reading anything i've said before you've jumped in.. i've said i agree with israel taking out the bombers and terrorists.. i don't agree with retalitory airstrikes/bombing/whatever that are clumsy and manage to kill FAR TOO MANY civilians..

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                                                                                                                                                      • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                                                        #138
                                                                                                                                                        fucking ditto to you too tprk - i've already said the palistinian supprt for suicide bombers is fucked up.. fuck... how many times do i have to say that i don't agree with any of the killing? how many times do i have to say that because i don't agree with israeli actions it doesn't automatically make me a supporter of what palestinians do? what the pointof even posting if i have to keep on repeating myself?

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                                                                                                                                                          • Sovjetz
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                                                                                                                                                            #139
                                                                                                                                                            reffering to the pictures of children with guns: As i can recall quitte a few americans too teach their children at young age how to work with guns (especially the southern states).

                                                                                                                                                            The whole problem of this palestinian/israel situation is as follows:

                                                                                                                                                            An independant Palestinian organisation attacks an israeli settlement or places a bomb (maybe one of the 40 active palestininian organisations) They kill people and the word 'palestinians' is used. Does that mean that every single palestine person was behind those attacks and was in favor of them? NO! Just a very small percentage of the population who happens to be Palestine.

                                                                                                                                                            What you then get is israel retaliating (as usual ). Again creating anger and hate among the palestinian people who perhaps where not in favor of terrorism at all! And you get another bomb placing etc.etc.etc.

                                                                                                                                                            My frustration concerning Israeli politics is that israel has ONE government/organisation and ONE Leader. If the leader says 'no attack' there will be no attack. On the palestinian side it's completely different you have 40 different organisations (some terrorist some peacefull) and 40 different leader. Although arafat is seen as the main leader he is NOT! He only controls his own organisation PLO. Hamas and Jihad (one of the most powerfull and violent groups) will not listen to arafat in any way.

                                                                                                                                                            My point: Israel is the one who controls the situation. If israel decides one time not to retaliate the circle of violence is broken. The problem is the palestinians cannot make such a decision: arafat can say stop but that won't mean anything to the 39 other organisations. Israel should stop retaliating and start negotiating because that is the only and i mean really the ONLY solution to this problem ever. I am pretty sure that some day israel is not goonna be the strongest anymore and the'll be having a hard time surviving.
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                                                                                                                                                              • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                                                                #140
                                                                                                                                                                tprk i agree with most of your last post.. why do you think that i don't?

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                                                                                                                                                                  • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                                                                    #141
                                                                                                                                                                    did i not say that attacking civilians isn't going to help palestinians? are you trying to help reach the 500 post mark sooner???

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                                                                                                                                                                      • drumsicle
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                                                                                                                                                                        #142
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                                                                                                                        in case you didn't bother reading anything i've said before you've jumped in..
                                                                                                                                                                        sorry I didn't realize this was a private conversation.
                                                                                                                                                                        Another worthless post?

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                                                                                                                                                                          • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                                                                            #143
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Sovjetz

                                                                                                                                                                            My point: Israel is the one who controls the situation. If israel decides one time not to retaliate the circle of violence is broken. The problem is the palestinians cannot make such a decision: arafat can say stop but that won't mean anything to the 39 other organisations. Israel should stop retaliating and start negotiating because that is the only and i mean really the ONLY solution to this problem ever. I am pretty sure that some day israel is not goonna be the strongest anymore and the'll be having a hard time surviving.
                                                                                                                                                                            it will take a little longer than that for the circle of violence to be broken.. children of both sides have to forget about their dead parents and siblings... it would REALLY have to be anextended period of absolute peace.. we're talking 60-80 years...

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                                                                                                                                                                              • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                                                                                #144
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by drumsicle


                                                                                                                                                                                sorry I didn't realize this was a private conversation.
                                                                                                                                                                                heheheh then don't attribute statements to me that are diametrically opposed to the ones i've stated mere inches away

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • tpr2k
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                                                                                                                                                                                    #145
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                                                                                                                                    in case you didn't bother reading anything i've said before you've jumped in.. i've said i agree with israel taking out the bombers and terrorists.. i don't agree with retalitory airstrikes/bombing/whatever that are clumsy and manage to kill FAR TOO MANY civilians..
                                                                                                                                                                                    the Israeli airstrike usually are taken against military targets (or terrorsits targets).

                                                                                                                                                                                    the Palestinians put their children and women in the line of fire... they take them to demonstrations (in which many of the participants are carrying weapons), the women and children are not only walking with the mob they carry weapons too...

                                                                                                                                                                                    AND in most cases Israel notifies the PA that it's about to strike a certain target (or targets) in advance (so they could evacuate the building)

                                                                                                                                                                                    the reason for so many dead in the Palestinian side is the fact that a large portion of the palestinian people is member of the terror supporting groups (such as Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatach and many many more).

                                                                                                                                                                                    these terrorists are working day and night, 24/7, in order to arm the Israelis (in Israelis i mean Israeli Citizens and Soldiers). that is why the Israelis are working also day and night, 24/7, in order to get to these people (i think that Intellegence wise the israelis will rather take them alive... but these people are usualy "armed an dangerous")

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • drumsicle
                                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 1049
                                                                                                                                                                                        #146
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Sovjetz
                                                                                                                                                                                        reffering to the pictures of children with guns: As i can recall quitte a few americans too teach their children at young age how to work with guns (especially the southern states).

                                                                                                                                                                                        The whole problem of this palestinian/israel situation is as follows:

                                                                                                                                                                                        An independant Palestinian organisation attacks an israeli settlement or places a bomb (maybe one of the 40 active palestininian organisations) They kill people and the word 'palestinians' is used. Does that mean that every single palestine person was behind those attacks and was in favor of them? NO! Just a very small percentage of the population who happens to be Palestine.

                                                                                                                                                                                        What you then get is israel retaliating (as usual ). Again creating anger and hate among the palestinian people who perhaps where not in favor of terrorism at all! And you get another bomb placing etc.etc.etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                        My frustration concerning Israeli politics is that israel has ONE government/organisation and ONE Leader. If the leader says 'no attack' there will be no attack. On the palestinian side it's completely different you have 40 different organisations (some terrorist some peacefull) and 40 different leader. Although arafat is seen as the main leader he is NOT! He only controls his own organisation PLO. Hamas and Jihad (one of the most powerfull and violent groups) will not listen to arafat in any way.

                                                                                                                                                                                        My point: Israel is the one who controls the situation. If israel decides one time not to retaliate the circle of violence is broken. The problem is the palestinians cannot make such a decision: arafat can say stop but that won't mean anything to the 39 other organisations. Israel should stop retaliating and start negotiating because that is the only and i mean really the ONLY solution to this problem ever. I am pretty sure that some day israel is not goonna be the strongest anymore and the'll be having a hard time surviving.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Sorry, but that doesn't hold water. He is the leader of the Palestinian Authority. He is given money and weapons and CIA training etc. to do just that, lead and control the palestinian population. This is why he has been the one with whom the Isrealis negotiate. This is why he comes to the white house to speak with the President and so on. But you seem to fault the Israelis with the fact that the Palestinians have no adequate leadership. You suggest they negotiate? They have done almost nothing but negotiate. Heard of Oslo? Arafat broke every one of those promises. Heard of Camp David? Arafat refused to accept peace. It is not the Israelis that are unwilling to negotiate. Is either that the Palestinians are unwilling or their leader is.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Another worthless post?

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • bhutocracy
                                                                                                                                                                                            Not making A Comeback
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 10218
                                                                                                                                                                                            #147
                                                                                                                                                                                            do i have to name the militant jewish organisations?
                                                                                                                                                                                            whose prime minister was murdered by one of it's own for wanting peace?

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • bhutocracy
                                                                                                                                                                                                Not making A Comeback
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 10218
                                                                                                                                                                                                #148
                                                                                                                                                                                                one side is as bad as the other...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • bhutocracy
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Not making A Comeback
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 10218
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #149
                                                                                                                                                                                                    and im a woman trapped inside a man's body...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • drumsicle
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 1049
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #150
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                                                                                                                                                        do i have to name the militant jewish organisations?
                                                                                                                                                                                                        whose prime minister was murdered by one of it's own for wanting peace?
                                                                                                                                                                                                        No!!! You have to name the Baldwin brothers.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Another worthless post?

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