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  • Smegma
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    • Feb 2002
    • 1751
    #1

    I am so sick of what is going on in Israel

    This just pissed me off to no end today. Israel needs to get their act together and find a way to fix this.



    Caption - Palestinian youth kisses seven-year-old Palestinian boy Mahmoud al-Talalqa, who was killed by a Israeli soldier as he played near his residence in the Bedouin village in the northern Gaza Strip, March 1, 2002. A neighbor watching 20 meters away on his balcony told Reuters that an Israeli tank crewman had beckoned a group of children to approach his vehicle, and Mahmoud was then gunned down by four bullets of the tank's machine gun when the party came near. The boy's body remained on the scene until the tank left the area
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    • gallerypost
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      • Nov 2001
      • 711
      #2
      Well, there is ONE diffrent, the israeli soldiers killed that little boy by mistake, he probably was near to someone who shut at them.

      but the palestines sending bomb man in order to kill little childern not by mistake, they sent a gun mans into few schoosl, killed tons of childern, and they continue doing it.

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        • Clay
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          • Dec 2001
          • 735
          #3
          an Israeli tank crewman had beckoned a group of children to approach his vehicle, and Mahmoud was then gunned down by four bullets of the tank's machine gun when the party came near


          thats fucking disgusting.

          why does the US support Isreal again?

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            • jimmy3way
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              • Sep 2001
              • 2508
              #4
              Little Arab kids should know they are fair targets. Duh.

              Ten weeks ago Israeli secret service agents set up a booby trap (made from an American made and provided Claymore mine, Go USA!!) on a path to an elementary school because the children were throwing rocks at tanks so they had to die.

              Throwing ROCKS at a fucking TANK. An American senator was on CNN the following weeks and he pointed out that some of the rocks were big, pointy rocks that could have hurt somebody.

              I wish American leaders had the fucking spine to call genocide what it really is.
              One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.

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                • RT-
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                  • Jan 2002
                  • 60
                  #5
                  Originally posted by gallerypost
                  Well, there is ONE diffrent, the israeli soldiers killed that little boy by mistake, he probably was near to someone who shut at them.

                  but the palestines sending bomb man in order to kill little childern not by mistake, they sent a gun mans into few schoosl, killed tons of childern, and they continue doing it.
                  My first amendment right is invoked.

                  Your an idiot.
                  - RT

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                    • Clay
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                      • Dec 2001
                      • 735
                      #6
                      Originally posted by jimmy3way
                      Little Arab kids should know they are fair targets. Duh.

                      hes fucking 7 years old. he doesn't know shit except to come when an adult calls him.

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                        • jimmy3way
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                          • Sep 2001
                          • 2508
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Clay
                          [i]why does the US support Isreal again?
                          Because Jews spend money on politicians in the US and Arabs don't. Steven SPIELBERG, Jeffery KATZENBURG, you think all those rich Hollywood Jews give money to politicians who are willing to call Israel the terrorist state it is?
                          One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.

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                            • Sjayne
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                              • Jan 2001
                              • 1182
                              #8
                              I am sick of both sides. They should move the idiots from Northern Ireland ( note..that doesn't mean all Irish..just the idiots that fight) and the idiots from both these countries and stick them on an island somewhere and let them die out.

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                                • jimmy3way
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                                  • Sep 2001
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                                  #9
                                  http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/...ool/index.html

                                  Note in the first story the Isreali explanation that the booby trap was an 'unexploded tank shell' or possibly put there by Palestinians themselves.

                                  Then a week later:

                                  http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/...led/index.html

                                  Oh yeah it really was a booby trap but the little kids had guns, trust us, we will be 'reprimanding' people.
                                  One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.

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                                    • Forest
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                                      • Aug 2001
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                                      #10
                                      man some bad shit over there

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                                        • Ragnar man
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                                          • Feb 2002
                                          • 95
                                          #11
                                          time for a bomb am i right ? it will be fixed in a jiffy

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                                            • 12clicks
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                                              • Jan 2001
                                              • 19813
                                              #12
                                              if the israelis had more bullets, the problem would go away faster.
                                              I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                • KC
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                                                  #13
                                                  I agree with 12 Clicks...

                                                  Isreal has the right to defend themselves.. And if they have better contacts with more powerful countries (ie: U.S.) then I'd say the Palestinians have got a serious uphill battle that they cannot win.

                                                  As long as they (the Palestinians) celebrate suicide bombers and blow up civilians, I support giving as much firepower to the Isrealis as we can.

                                                  For every 7 year old Palestinian boy you see that actually gives a shit about another human, there's at least 50 more planning on growing up to be a martyr. Hoping that he gets a custom fit "Suicide bomb harness" for his 8th birthday.

                                                  -KC
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                                                    • theWatsonian
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                                                      • Feb 2001
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                                                      #14
                                                      This is the sort of bs you get when both sides are pussyfooting around and sniping at each other. The region is going to continue this way until a full blown war breaks out. The arab nations will never start the war, however, because they know they will be fucked faster than Saddam if the shit hits the fan.
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                                                        • RT-
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                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by KC
                                                          I agree with 12 Clicks...

                                                          Isreal has the right to defend themselves.. And if they have better contacts with more powerful countries (ie: U.S.) then I'd say the Palestinians have got a serious uphill battle that they cannot win.

                                                          As long as they (the Palestinians) celebrate suicide bombers and blow up civilians, I support giving as much firepower to the Isrealis as we can.

                                                          For every 7 year old Palestinian boy you see that actually gives a shit about another human, there's at least 50 more planning on growing up to be a martyr. Hoping that he gets a custom fit "Suicide bomb harness" for his 8th birthday.

                                                          -KC

                                                          This is the largest ethnic cleansing operation in modern history. Today, there are 5.25 million Palestinian refugees, representing two-thirds of all Palestinian people. These people want a place to be able to raise their kids, have them go to school, and live a peaceful life. They want a place to call home.

                                                          The shear irony of the situation is incredible when you look at the plight of the Jews throughout history. Now they find themselves in a position of power, and are doing exactly what was done to them by the Germans.

                                                          They don?t ?celebrate? suicide bombers. They use the tools they have to defend themselves.

                                                          I don?t see the difference between tanks, helicopters, F16s, and a woman with a bomb strapped to her chest. It?s a war, and each side is using the tools they have to fight it.

                                                          We get so sad when we here of a Palestinian bomber blowing up a café in downtown Jerusalem. ?How tragic.. How barbaric?? While we have become so desensitized when Israel does the same fucking thing, but with tanks and helicopters from afar.

                                                          ?For every 7 year old Palestinian boy you see that actually gives a shit about another human, there's at least 50 more planning on growing up to be a martyr. Hoping that he gets a custom fit "Suicide bomb harness" for his 8th birthday.?

                                                          I?m sure if Palestine had the weapons that Israel has, the same little boy would wish that he would become a fighter pilot or an army ranger? and somehow that doesn?t sound as bad as a martyr?. But it is.

                                                          Fucking sad how we buy into the American news media?s and our government?s interpretation of the situation, isn?t it?
                                                          - RT

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                                                            • Terenzo
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                                                              • Jan 2002
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                                                              #16
                                                              RT - good post - i agree.

                                                              this must come to an end, and there are many people willing, but they are not powerful...


                                                              dont you all like BRAVEHEART?? he was fighting for his people - for freedom. He was an underdog - like the palestinians. the palestinians do not want to expand their territory, we all know that they have been robbed...

                                                              it is up to israel to stop this war. i do not support any party, war is disgusting, but both parties see their rights to use arms.




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                                                                • waste
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  maybe a nuke in the place that they are fighting over land will help so them nobody can live there. just a thought tho.

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                                                                    • Terenzo
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                                                                      • 971
                                                                      #18
                                                                      what the fuck would you do if the international comunity decides to give fucking california to the people of Tibet?? and then the tibetanians would put all californian people which still want to live in califorina into yosemite park??? and then the tibetanians would start to takeover some borderlands to oregon???

                                                                      would you nuke it????
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                                                                        • waste
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                                                                          Originally posted by Terenzo
                                                                          what the fuck would you do if the international comunity decides to give fucking california to the people of Tibet?? and then the tibetanians would put all californian people which still want to live in califorina into yosemite park??? and then the tibetanians would start to takeover some borderlands to oregon???

                                                                          would you nuke it????
                                                                          sure then the ppl from cali can have the baja strip

                                                                          damn i'm good

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                                                                            • Martin
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Yeah the world isn't a pretty place to live in..

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                                                                                • waste
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                                                                                  • Nov 2001
                                                                                  • 770
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Martin
                                                                                  Yeah the world isn't a pretty place to live in..
                                                                                  think Mars will be better?

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                                                                                    • theWatsonian
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Terenzo
                                                                                      RT - good post - i agree.

                                                                                      this must come to an end, and there are many people willing, but they are not powerful...


                                                                                      dont you all like BRAVEHEART?? he was fighting for his people - for freedom. He was an underdog - like the palestinians. the palestinians do not want to expand their territory, we all know that they have been robbed...


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                                                                                        • FATPad
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Any country has a right to defend itself.

                                                                                          What do you suggest Israel do? Sit there and watch the Palestinian animals send bomber after bomber into crowded Israeli market places until they run out of people to send?

                                                                                          The Palestinians are lucky the Israeli's haven't used the full force of their military to defend themselves. It wouldn't take long for Israel to exterminate every single Palestinian in the area.
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                                                                                            • waste
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by FATPad
                                                                                              Any country has a right to defend itself.

                                                                                              What do you suggest Israel do? Sit there and watch the Palestinian animals send bomber after bomber into crowded Israeli market places until they run out of people to send?

                                                                                              The Palestinians are lucky the Israeli's haven't used the full force of their military to defend themselves. It wouldn't take long for Israel to exterminate every single Palestinian in the area.
                                                                                              well the fact of the matter is if the jews would have picked another place to have thier country besides an aera where the pople that live there aren't already advanced enough to fight back then there wouldn't have been and situations in the middle east.

                                                                                              true the land may be holy to the jews but it is also holy to the muslims and also to christians, so i guess if the UN wanted a christian nation could be placed there aswell.

                                                                                              but it really doesn't matter people in power do what they want.

                                                                                              sorry m8's I really don't want to talk politics right now.

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                                                                                                • kane
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                                                                                                  • Aug 2001
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  well I disagree with Wast about his saying if Isreal wasn't there none of this would be happening. The palestinan people have fought with Jordan and Turkey in the past. . . in the middle east many of the arab countries hate each other but they all agree to hate isreal as a group. If every jew in isreal packed up and moved out next week there would still be violence in that part of the world. People have fought in that part of the world since long before recorded history. The land knows only blood and as Shakspeare wrote blood with have blood.
                                                                                                  Last edited by kane; 03-01-2002, 03:07 PM.

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                                                                                                    • bhutocracy
                                                                                                      Not making A Comeback
                                                                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                                                                      • 10218
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                      well I disagree with Wast about his saying if Isreal wasn't there none of this would be happening. The palestinan people have fought with Jordan and Turkey in the past. . . in the middle east many of the arab countries hate each other but they all agree to hate isreal as a group. If every jew in isreal packed up and moved out next week there would still be violence in that part of the world. People have fought in that part of the world since long before recorded history. The land knows only blood and as Shakspeare wrote blood with have blood.
                                                                                                      LOL....rriiiiiggghhttt.. nicely overlooking the fact that the civilised people of the west have killed far more people.. lol..


                                                                                                      that was a really good post earlier RT-

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                                                                                                        • geoenter
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                                                                                                          • Feb 2002
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Theses guys are brain washed by religion groups. They kill for the name of God. It doesn?t matter who you are, you maybe A Jew, or an American, or an English man. They will kill you, because they believe that killing takes them straight to heaven.
                                                                                                          People! open your History books and read about the Jews who were kicked out of the land of Israel by the Romans. All they wanted is to go back home.
                                                                                                          Mr. Arafat who is a fucking terrorist who built the Hammas (terror group)had the greatest opportunity for a peace with Israel under the Clinton administration, but no he doesn?t really want peace. He MAKES money from the whole deal. He runs Casinos in the land of Israel and moves the money into is Swiss bank account. He gets paid form the international committee, from USA and his people are starving for food. His people hate him too. They give guns to kids to fight against Israeli soldiers.
                                                                                                          You can not trade peace for land, you can only trade peace for peace and they don?t want that.

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                                                                                                            • gallerypost
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                                                                                                              • Nov 2001
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by waste


                                                                                                              well the fact of the matter is if the jews would have picked another place to have thier country besides an aera where the pople that live there aren't already advanced enough to fight back then there wouldn't have been and situations in the middle east.

                                                                                                              true the land may be holy to the jews but it is also holy to the muslims and also to christians, so i guess if the UN wanted a christian nation could be placed there aswell.

                                                                                                              but it really doesn't matter people in power do what they want.

                                                                                                              sorry m8's I really don't want to talk politics right now.
                                                                                                              Aha, ok.. i understand.. so what you are saying is that israel should die and that's it....
                                                                                                              so it's kinda forget all the blah blah.. maybe israel are right.. but i hate them... let's support the palestines..

                                                                                                              you probably muslam, right ?

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                                                                                                                • kane
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                                                                                                                  • Aug 2001
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  I never said weterners didn't kill people. . . my point is that that part of the world has never known anything but war so why should there be any belief that there will ever be peace

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                                                                                                                    • gallerypost
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                                      I never said weterners didn't kill people. . . my point is that that part of the world has never known anything but war so why should there be any belief that there will ever be peace
                                                                                                                      heh, i think that we are in the us are lucky that we got israel in the middle east, bcz all of the arab countries are afraid of their army and it's keeping the place in some level of quite, if israel weren't located in there... i dunno if there still was a middle east ;)

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                                                                                                                        • Smegma
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by FATPad
                                                                                                                          Any country has a right to defend itself.

                                                                                                                          What do you suggest Israel do? Sit there and watch the Palestinian animals send bomber after bomber into crowded Israeli market places until they run out of people to send?

                                                                                                                          The Palestinians are lucky the Israeli's haven't used the full force of their military to defend themselves. It wouldn't take long for Israel to exterminate every single Palestinian in the area.
                                                                                                                          Can someone tell me why we always here that ISRAEL is defending themselves against the PALESTINIANS?

                                                                                                                          What about the PALESTINIANS defending themselves against the ISRAELIS?

                                                                                                                          As for weapons.. tell me what the differnece is here?




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                                                                                                                            • kane
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                                                                                                                              • Aug 2001
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                                                                                                                              I agree. I think if there were no Isreal they would fight amongst each other for other reasons. Look at Iran and Iraq they have hated each other forever and it has nothing to do with Isreal.

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                                                                                                                                • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2001
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by gallerypost


                                                                                                                                  heh, i think that we are in the us are lucky that we got israel in the middle east, bcz all of the arab countries are afraid of their army and it's keeping the place in some level of quite, if israel weren't located in there... i dunno if there still was a middle east ;)
                                                                                                                                  *bink bink*.... um... actually they're not afraid of israel in the slightest... they're afraid of big daddy America america standing behind them (and rightly so).

                                                                                                                                  personally i'd love to see America sever all ties with Israel and let them fight it out amongst themselves.. would also take away the excuses they use to want to punish america.. of course that would all be at the price of oil.. so eh.. you have to weigh up how many more 9/11's the oil is worth... eh in 20, 30, 40 years when the oil reserves start to dry up, or they start using more and more renewable energy sources the US will leave Israel to the wolves anyway... oh that is unless is still startegically better to have a long drawn out war so they can sell arms.

                                                                                                                                  of course they could also find another murderous regime to support in the area.. ayatollah, sadam, ariel sharon.........

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                                                                                                                                    • nemesis
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Take a look at this cool flash animation which only talks about FACTS

                                                                                                                                      http://www.humanityonhold.com/intifada.html

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                                                                                                                                        • gallerypost
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Smegma


                                                                                                                                          Can someone tell me why we always here that ISRAEL is defending themselves against the PALESTINIANS?

                                                                                                                                          What about the PALESTINIANS defending themselves against the ISRAELIS?

                                                                                                                                          As for weapons.. tell me what the differnece is here?




                                                                                                                                          ok the differnece is that the israeli attacking places where there is palestines terorr groups, the palestines attacking israeli childern.

                                                                                                                                          yes, it's true.. sometimes like on this time also a palestine childern getting hurt, but it's not on purpose like the palestine does.

                                                                                                                                          tell me, why do you think that the palestine fathers sent thier 12 years old childern to throw rocks on israeli soldiers ?
                                                                                                                                          what kind of fathers are those ones ?

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                                                                                                                                            • Smegma
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by gallerypost


                                                                                                                                              ok the differnece is that the israeli attacking places where there is palestines terorr groups, the palestines attacking israeli childern.

                                                                                                                                              yes, it's true.. sometimes like on this time also a palestine childern getting hurt, but it's not on purpose like the palestine does.

                                                                                                                                              tell me, why do you think that the palestine fathers sent thier 12 years old childern to throw rocks on israeli soldiers ?
                                                                                                                                              what kind of fathers are those ones ?
                                                                                                                                              1,009 Palestinians Dead vs 288 Israeli

                                                                                                                                              Tell me again... who is targeting who?

                                                                                                                                              http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlates...552829,00.html

                                                                                                                                              Israeli Army Occupies Palestinian School in Beit Jala - 35 Children Held as Hostages

                                                                                                                                              By the way.. this Palestinian child didn't get "hurt".. he got KILLED.
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                                                                                                                                                • [Labret]
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                                                                                                                                                  One of the greatest pictures I have ever seen.

                                                                                                                                                  Not that I am a big fan of militant Islam, but you ever heard the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

                                                                                                                                                  Anyone who dislikes Zionism is ok by me.

                                                                                                                                                  This is dedication. Most of you slapdicks wouldn't die for anything.


                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Smegma

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                                                                                                                                                    • Houdini
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by RT-



                                                                                                                                                      This is the largest ethnic cleansing operation in modern history. Today, there are 5.25 million Palestinian refugees, representing two-thirds of all Palestinian people. These people want a place to be able to raise their kids, have them go to school, and live a peaceful life. They want a place to call home.

                                                                                                                                                      The shear irony of the situation is incredible when you look at the plight of the Jews throughout history. Now they find themselves in a position of power, and are doing exactly what was done to them by the Germans.

                                                                                                                                                      They don?t ?celebrate? suicide bombers. They use the tools they have to defend themselves.

                                                                                                                                                      I don?t see the difference between tanks, helicopters, F16s, and a woman with a bomb strapped to her chest. It?s a war, and each side is using the tools they have to fight it.

                                                                                                                                                      We get so sad when we here of a Palestinian bomber blowing up a café in downtown Jerusalem. ?How tragic.. How barbaric?? While we have become so desensitized when Israel does the same fucking thing, but with tanks and helicopters from afar.

                                                                                                                                                      ?For every 7 year old Palestinian boy you see that actually gives a shit about another human, there's at least 50 more planning on growing up to be a martyr. Hoping that he gets a custom fit "Suicide bomb harness" for his 8th birthday.?

                                                                                                                                                      I?m sure if Palestine had the weapons that Israel has, the same little boy would wish that he would become a fighter pilot or an army ranger? and somehow that doesn?t sound as bad as a martyr?. But it is.

                                                                                                                                                      Fucking sad how we buy into the American news media?s and our government?s interpretation of the situation, isn?t it?
                                                                                                                                                      Ethnic cleansing my ass. Don't you understand that Palestines are terrorists??? Israeli is DEFENDING themselves. They're not blindly shooting and gunning these people down. The reason they're going into these Hamas refugee camps is because that's where these nothing to live for suicide bombers are. Just like the Al-Queda terrorist camps, you get rid of them at the source. Hamas' ultimate goal is the establishment of a militant Islamic Palestinian state ruled by Islamic theocratic law in place of Israel. If a group of people came to take your house each day and blew themselves up each time they got to the doorstep, what the fuck would you do? Wouldn't you get tired of it too? If you want to see how annoying that would be, read this:

                                                                                                                                                      http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0i5d0

                                                                                                                                                      Israel is doing this because they're in a position of power? Bullshit. They aren't trying to take over the world like Germany was and they aren't trying to rid the world of all non jews so that camparison to Hitler and Germany is weak. Israel did not just start bombing Palestine for the hell of it. They're doing it because Arafat won't take some responsibilty for his people and attempt to stop these terrorists and they're doing their best to do so.

                                                                                                                                                      You don't see the difference in tanks, F16s and suicide bombers? Suicide bombers are killing in the name of Allah. This is pure religious motivation. Isreal is trying to rid themselves of these pests with bombs strapped to their stomach that walk into their shopping centers and market places killing people in an attempt to take over their land. The use of military weapons is called national security defense. Why is Israeli going to blow themselves up over this? They actually have some self worth.

                                                                                                                                                      Yes, there are civilans that are being killed in the process, but the civilians are dying on both sides. If you can't see the difference here between terrorists and defense then what do you think of America right now? We're in the same position as Israel but on a much smaller scale, we don't have this every day. But what are we doing? We're bombing the shit out of the Taliban from afar so this bullshit can hopefully stop. What is so wrong with that?

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                                                                                                                                                        • Sjayne
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Terenzo

                                                                                                                                                          dont you all like BRAVEHEART?? he was fighting for his people - for freedom.

                                                                                                                                                          Braveheart was also a movie so full of innacurate history that it isn't funny. But hey that is mel gibson for you.

                                                                                                                                                          Seriously tho - repeat after me - both sides are to blame. Both sides kill babies. God, this is like Ireland. Trust me, bang your head against the wall, you will get further with the debate.


                                                                                                                                                          Of course, if you want a long thread post about Israel, Bin Laden, Ice Hockey, or be anti american. Hmm...maybe I should write an Ebook on it.
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                                                                                                                                                            • Danny_C
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                                                                                                                                                              To the Israelis they're terrorists... to the Palistinean people they're freedom fighters.

                                                                                                                                                              It's easy to point fingers and throw around the word "terrorist" while you sit in the U.S. in your nice home drinking your martinis. But have you ever bothered to ask yourself, "Why are they 'terrorists'?" I'm sure you haven't.

                                                                                                                                                              These are oppressed people fighting for liberation. They're not just randomly killing people because "all they know is war", or any other lame reason you might come up with when you're watching the action on MSNBC. They're fighting the war with the best means they have available, because they have children who they love, and spouses they love, who they want to see live better, more peaceful lives.

                                                                                                                                                              I'm not excusing their tactics, but sometimes I do this thing I like to call thinking, and while I was using this tool, it occurred to me that the Israelis had taken the land from the Palestineans, oppressed their people, and then were slaughtered when they tried to fight back. They're like wolves backed into a corner, doing anything they can to fight their way out. And the U.S. has backed Israel the whole way... and what do we get out of all this? Oil. Lives vs. oil? The U.S. ALWAYS chooses oil. And then we play innocent, "Why would they possibly be upset at the United States?"

                                                                                                                                                              You guys should try to do a bit more research into the history of U.S. foreign policy, and then make your judgments against an oppressed people. Even better, try walking in their shoes for a day or two. I'd be willing to bet you'd come back with an attitude make-over.
                                                                                                                                                              Last edited by Danny_C; 03-01-2002, 05:14 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                • Sjayne
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                                                                                                                                                                  Danny, before you get flamed, let me say that was so spot on.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Martin
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by waste


                                                                                                                                                                      think Mars will be better?
                                                                                                                                                                      I hope so cause this place is FUCKED!

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Danny_C
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          I'm sure the flames are coming. Oh well. Let's hear it.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • FATPad
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Danny_C
                                                                                                                                                                              To the Israelis they're terrorists... to the Palistinean people they're freedom fighters.

                                                                                                                                                                              It's easy to point fingers and throw around the word "terrorist" while you sit in the U.S. in your nice home drinking your martinis. But have you ever bothered to ask yourself, "Why are they 'terrorists'?" I'm sure you haven't.

                                                                                                                                                                              These are oppressed people fighting for liberation. They're not just doing this because "all they know is war", or any other lame reason you might come up with when you're watching the action on MSNBC. They're doing it because they have children who they love, and spouses they love, who they want to see live better, more peaceful lives.

                                                                                                                                                                              I'm not excusing their tactics, but I like to do this thing I like to call thinking, and while I was using this tool, it occurred to me that the Israelis had taken the land from the Palestineans, oppressed their people, and then were slaughtered when they tried to fight back. They're like wolves backed into a corner, doing anything they can to fight their way out. And the U.S. has backed Israel the whole way... and what do we get out of all this? Oil. Lives vs. oil? The U.S. ALWAYS chooses oil. And then we play innocent, "Why would they possibly be upset at the United States?"

                                                                                                                                                                              You guys should try to do a bit more research into the history of U.S. foreign policy, and then make your judgments against an oppressed people. Even better, try walking in their shoes for a day or two. I'd be willing to bet you'd come back with an attitude make-over.
                                                                                                                                                                              You don't call strapping bombs to kids and sending them into crowded markets full of women and children terrorism?

                                                                                                                                                                              Maybe when the Palestinians stop acting like animals, the Israeli's won't have to treat them like animals.

                                                                                                                                                                              btw, a couple of years ago, the Palestinians had the chance to accept huge concessions from the Israeli's and take a big step towards peace in the region. The Israeli's offered all kinds of things that the Palestians claimed they wanted and were using as the reasons for the freedom fighting market bombings. Why didn't they accept? If they really wanted peace they had the opportunity...

                                                                                                                                                                              The US has backed Israel? Damn right. But in case you haven't noticed, the US has also stopped Israel from marching into the Palestinian areas and killing every living person in site for a while now. But you seem to forget that as well while extolling the virtues of the Palestinian freedom fighters who can't stop bombing crowded market places.
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Sjayne
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  actually, he suggested we use our brain to ask why they are terrorists.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Danny_C
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by FATPad


                                                                                                                                                                                      The US has backed Israel? Damn right. But in case you haven't noticed, the US has also stopped Israel from marching into the Palestinian areas and killing every living person in site for a while now. But you seem to forget that as well while extolling the virtues of the Palestinian freedom fighters who can't stop bombing crowded market places.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah, PR is important, isn't it? I thought we learned in our own Civil War that oppressing a people was wrong, but I guess it's ok as long as we keep Israel from murdering them all. "Just make sure you leave a few standing and we'll continue to send you weapons to oppress them with."

                                                                                                                                                                                      I never said it wasn't terrorism. Label it whatever you want. I'm just saying at least think about their reasons. Criticize terrorism all you want, I don't have a problem with that. But don't excuse Israel for pushing to that extreme.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Most middle-easterners would label Israel the kings of terrorism.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • FATPad
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          I did ask myself why they act like this.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I also asked myself why when presented with the opportunity for peace when the Israelis were offering HUGE concessions, did the Palestianians suddenly change their mind and decide that's not what they really wanted? They were being offered almost everything they were asking for, yet they didn't agree to it?

                                                                                                                                                                                          That tells me they don't want peace. That tells me that all the BS reasons they give for their actions are exactly that...BS.

                                                                                                                                                                                          As long as they continue to bomb innocent people and refuse to discuss peace in a serious manner where they actually accept the concessions being offered, they're a bunch of terrorist losers who deserve to be killed.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Think about what they want, think about what they were offered, and think about whether or not they accepted. That will tell you who is responsible for this situation continuing.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • FATPad
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              One last thing.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Israel is not the only country who owns land that was previously part of the Palestinian nation. Syria and Jordan are also responsible for taking the Palestinian homeland. Why aren't the Palestinian's bombing Jordan and Syria and demanding their land back?

                                                                                                                                                                                              It's not about anything they say it's about. It's about them wanting to kill Jews and having an excuse to do it.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Houdini
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Danny_C
                                                                                                                                                                                                  And the U.S. has backed Israel the whole way... and what do we get out of all this? Oil. Lives vs. oil? The U.S. ALWAYS chooses oil.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Where the hell is the oil in Israel? We back Israel because they're a democracatic society.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Danny_C
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Most middle-easterners would label Israel the kings of terrorism.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Along with America as well. Do you think we're terrorists? I didn't think so.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • jimmy3way
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by [Labret]
                                                                                                                                                                                                      One of the greatest pictures I have ever seen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Not that I am a big fan of militant Islam, but you ever heard the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Anyone who dislikes Zionism is ok by me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      This is dedication. Most of you slapdicks wouldn't die for anything.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Truer fucking words were never spoken, I agree bro.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.

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