Credit card fraud and sponsors. Twisty's one here

[Choker]

All the fraud that goes on with webmasters buying traffic is just unreal. What is more unreal is how when I contact sponsors they just don't give a shit if a affiliate of theirs charges back for traffic they bought. What is so ironic is that if a affiliate is willing to do this think he is signing up members the same way? I gotta feeling Shap is different from other sponsors in that he would not put up with this bullshit, anyhow this peckerhead bought $100 in traffic back in June http://www.insidetwistys.com/?t1/revs=yourcandystore and of course after the traffic was delivered he charged back. Fuckwads like this is why I stopped taking credit cards. KRL this thief lives in Windermere, LOL. Wanna collect for me?

[Dalai lama]

Go get them choker.

[CybermedAndy]

Damn fraudsters, piss me off

[KMR Stitch]

KRL Or KMR -=)

Beause I live in Windermere

[Choker]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

KRL Or KMR -=)

Beause I live in Windermere

LOL, I'm too tired man. So you wanna take care of this for me? LOL

[Choker]

http://www.whois.sc/yourcandystore.com

He has a PO box but his cell phone number is real, I just called it no answer

[KMR Stitch]

Originally Posted by Choker

LOL, I'm too tired man. So you wanna take care of this for me? LOL

I did pick of a few new toys. 900,000 Volt stun gun hehe and some other items. So, the guys name is shap he posts on here? You should give him the 3 day repo mercy rule. He's been called out he gets 3 days to pay up.


Then the repo man comes in to collect hehe

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by Dalai lama

Go get them choker.

!!...

[killerkay]

I'll beat his fucking ass for 25$

[Choker]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

I did pick of a few new toys. 900,000 Volt stun gun hehe and some other items. So, the guys name is shap he posts on here? You should give him the 3 day repo mercy rule. He's been called out he gets 3 days to pay up.


Then the repo man comes in to collect hehe

Well I'm out $100 plus whatever MVC charges probably 45$ or something like that. What's the going rate?

[Choker]

Ah I see that http://www.fastsize.com/ has shutdown a affiliate that ripped me off big time. Kudo's to them. I wished more sponsors would get rid of webmasters who rip others off.

[Brad Gosse]

WM's who buy traffic and charge back should go to prison for the fraud they commit

[SmokeyTheBear]

ibill owes people millions , yet lensman still advertises for them , What is the difference ?

A contract between 2 individuals shouldn't be broken based on third party unsubstantiated evidence..

Who's to say you didnt overcharge him , he tried to work out the problem and you didn't agree so he charged it back. ( i'm not saying thats what happened , but all we have is your word , thats why they have lawyers and judges and courts and stuff.)

Granted you are well known and trustworthy, but well-known trustworthy people screw others at times too. "Charging back " isn't fraud, fruad is a charge that you must first prove.. to "chargeback" you must first prove to your cc company certain terms weren't met. ( thats where the fraud comes in )

I certainly empathize with you, but i think there is a better way to deal with people than blacklisting them through WOM

* i'm also not a program "owner" so i'm not in your shoes and you obviously see alot more of this than i do.

Even if lensman came to me with such a request i would still need a few more details.. and either a court decision or hearing from both parties anyways..

Certainly these people must be working the system well ,because the only time i tried to ever charge something back i was denied.

If you ever need any help nailing a fraudster let me know..

[SmokeyTheBear]

Just to clarify any/some of the details , was this his first purchase ? did he have any correspondance with you regarding the chargeback ? etc ?

[KMR Stitch]

Sorry, no information is available for the URL YOURCANDYSTORE.COM

If the URL is valid, try visiting that web page by clicking on the following link: YOURCANDYSTORE.COM
Find web pages from the site YOURCANDYSTORE.COM
Find web pages that contain the term "YOURCANDYSTORE.COM"

hmm 404?

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by Choker

this thief lives in Windermere, LOL. Wanna collect for me?

isnt windermere an old folks community or is that windmere?

[Pipecrew]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

I did pick of a few new toys. 900,000 Volt stun gun hehe and some other items. So, the guys name is shap he posts on here? You should give him the 3 day repo mercy rule. He's been called out he gets 3 days to pay up.


Then the repo man comes in to collect hehe

Re-read the thread, The guy in question is not shap, shap owns the affiliate program and one of his affiliates is the guy that ripped of choker..

Misunderstanding common and simple facts like this one gets the wrong guy stun gunned, then you stabbed in the head with a fork by shap for not reading correctly.

[Tat2Jr]

I ordered my hamburger, and it didn't taste as good as I thought..... I want my money back! Fucking assholes.

[Grapesoda]

Choker,
can ya hit me up about some traffic. . . . have some question about traffic for a new site I'm jerking around with.

regards, [email protected]

[Mr-No]

Hmm... Today is Sunday, and you are probably familiar with factor that Shap almost never surf on Sunday, and I think that is reason why he still didn't answer...
Please, don't get me wrong, but I don't understand why you started this topic on Sunday night?

@KMR Stitch
I can't believe that you don't know that Shap is owner of Twistys (and several very big TGP sites), and that you mixed him with somebody who allegedly made $100 fraud...

[KMR Stitch]

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

Re-read the thread, The guy in question is not shap, shap owns the affiliate program and one of his affiliates is the guy that ripped of choker..

Misunderstanding common and simple facts like this one gets the wrong guy stun gunned, then you stabbed in the head with a fork by shap for not reading correctly.

I already saw that but it was too late to edit the thread.

=)

And you are to quick to jump the gun.

[Shoehorn!]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

I did pick of a few new toys. 900,000 Volt stun gun hehe and some other items. So, the guys name is shap he posts on here? You should give him the 3 day repo mercy rule. He's been called out he gets 3 days to pay up.


Then the repo man comes in to collect hehe

As Pipecrew said, shap owns the program. And he lives in the Bahamas, not Florida.

[KMR Stitch]

Originally Posted by Mr-No

Hmm... Today is Sunday, and you are probably familiar with factor that Shap almost never surf on Sunday, and I think that is reason why he still didn't answer...
Please, don't get me wrong, but I don't understand why you started this topic on Sunday night?

@KMR Stitch
I can't believe that you don't know that Shap is owner of Twistys (and several very big TGP sites), and that you mixed him with somebody who allegedly made $100 fraud...

Do you know the geograpic location of windamere? If not then shut up. windmere is home to Tiger Woods/Shaq/Ken Griffy JR/and some hardcore realestate buffs.

And yes I read the thread wrong at first. =) Just like Choker said KRL not KMR.

Eat a dick

[jimmyf]

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

then you stabbed in the head with a fork by shap for not reading correctly.

[KMR Stitch]

And yes I do know he runs one off the biggest TGP's "Thumbzilla.com"

So, My bad shap =)

[Pipecrew]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

Do you know the geograpic location of windamere? If not then shut up. windmere is home to Tiger Woods/Shaq/Ken Griffy JR/and some hardcore realestate buffs.

And yes I read the thread wrong at first. =) Just like Choker said KRL not KMR.

Eat a dick

Shaq lives across the water from me. So i'd say Windemere use to be the home of him ;)

[Mr-No]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

Do you know the geograpic location of windamere? If not then shut up. windmere is home to Tiger Woods/Shaq/Ken Griffy JR/and some hardcore realestate buffs.

And yes I read the thread wrong at first. =) Just like Choker said KRL not KMR.

Eat a dick

I didn't used senteces as "shut up" or "eat a dick"... I simply made the point who is "the" Shap...

[KMR Stitch]

Originally Posted by Mr-No

I didn't used senteces as "shut up" or "eat a dick"... I simply made the point who is "the" Shap...

No, you didn't but "I" did so eat a dick.

And have a nice day.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Just to clarify any/some of the details , was this his first purchase ? did he have any correspondance with you regarding the chargeback ? etc ?

private Choker 2005-07-13 10:29:57 This site is not approved to sale traffic, that is why it is not counting, please resubmit it for approval, thanks

private yourcandystore 2005-07-13 08:55:42 We added the choker traffic button for resellers on our site: http://yourcandystore.net/index.php
Since we put the button on our index, your button is also listed on our other content pages. Please increase our payout to 65%. Please make sure we are set up properly as a reseller (because we clicked on the links we added to our site and nothing has registered yet). Thank you

Only correspondance I ever got from him. He submitted and got approved the following urls

http://www.yourcandystore.net/
2005-06-27 21:22:35 Free Site
Accepted 2005-06-28 19:27:15

http://www.insidetwistys.com/?t1/revs=yourcandystore
2005-06-25 07:32:50 Paysite
Accepted 2005-06-25 14:23:33

http://www.yourcandystore.net/index.php
2005-06-25 07:31:18 Free Site
Accepted 2005-06-25 14:20:58

He then made a credit card payment at My Virtual Card

Cleared
2005-06-26 deposit money
Choker: deposit thanks 100.00 - [details] Cleared

He then made the following purchases
2005-06-26 bought traffic 5k of thumb_text_mix_mature to http://www.yourcandystore.net/index.php -20.00 - [details] Cleared

2005-06-26 bought traffic 5k of thumb_text_mix_mature to http://www.insidetwistys.com/?t1/revs=yourcandystore -20.00 - [details] Cleared

2005-06-26 bought traffic 5k of free_last_chance to http://www.insidetwistys.com/?t1/revs=yourcandystore -18.75 - [details] Cleared

2005-06-26 bought traffic 5k of free_last_chance to http://www.yourcandystore.net/index.php -18.75 - [details] Cleared

2005-07-12 bought traffic 3k of thumb_prettyhotbabes_com to http://www.yourcandystore.net/index.php -21.00 - [details] Cleared

All traffic was delivered then he charged back 2 months later.

Why would I waste my time posting all this shit if it were not true? Granted sometimes I post a lot when the mood gets me, but overall I do not have time for shit like this. I am not calling anyone out by this post, least of all Shap. Would I be disapointed or upset if Shap did nothing? NOPE NOT AT ALL. My post was made to get out my frustration on the lack of efforts by the general population to do anything about thieves. And to showcase this guys stupidity.

#1. He lives less than 20 minutes from my house.
#2. He posts his real cellphone number on his whois
#3. He buys traffic from me and sends to one of the most if not most respected sponsors around. Then charges back.

My point is if you are going to rip someone off be a little smarter than this guy.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

Shaq lives across the water from me. So i'd say Windemere use to be the home of him ;)

I'm pretty sure he still owns the home here he bought back from the Magic days

[Choker]

Originally Posted by bmb

Choker,
can ya hit me up about some traffic. . . . have some question about traffic for a new site I'm jerking around with.

regards, [email protected]

Sure what's your icq? thanks

[Choker]

From MY Virtual Card admin

423706 [email protected] $100.00 Choker Traffic (1196) Sep. 22, 2005 Successful Chargeback


From CTTS admin

Email notifications 'yourcandystore'
Your e-mail: [email protected]
Receive e-mail notifications: y
..on personal message: y
..on broadcast message: y
..when URLs are approved or declined: y
..when payment is approved or declined: y
..when order is payed off: y
..when order have only 500 hits left: y
..when someone buys your free traffic: y

[Chris]

shap is a known pecker head moron bitch boy

KMR collect the 350$ he owes me aswell and buy your kid something nice

[Pipecrew]

Originally Posted by Choker

I'm pretty sure he still owns the home here he bought back from the Magic days

I've seen that on Cribs, it's blue and stuff, HUGE.

[Ace_luffy]

that's bad.....

Fucking douchebags. Hope this ass clown is shut down before he screws more people over.

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

Re-read the thread, The guy in question is not shap, shap owns the affiliate program and one of his affiliates is the guy that ripped of choker..

I laugh everytime I see your sig

[basschick]

you don't actually know that is the guy's cell phone - all you know is it is a working phone number. hope you don't call up some poor grandpa and go off *lol*

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Choker

private Choker 2005-07-13 10:29:57 This site is not approved to sale traffic, that is why it is not counting, please resubmit it for approval, thanks

private yourcandystore 2005-07-13 08:55:42 We added the choker traffic button for resellers on our site: http://yourcandystore.net/index.php
Since we put the button on our index, your button is also listed on our other content pages. Please increase our payout to 65%. Please make sure we are set up properly as a reseller (because we clicked on the links we added to our site and nothing has registered yet). Thank you

Only correspondance I ever got from him. He submitted and got approved the following urls

http://www.yourcandystore.net/
2005-06-27 21:22:35 Free Site
Accepted 2005-06-28 19:27:15

http://www.insidetwistys.com/?t1/revs=yourcandystore
2005-06-25 07:32:50 Paysite
Accepted 2005-06-25 14:23:33

http://www.yourcandystore.net/index.php
2005-06-25 07:31:18 Free Site
Accepted 2005-06-25 14:20:58

He then made a credit card payment at My Virtual Card

Cleared
2005-06-26 deposit money
Choker: deposit thanks 100.00 - [details] Cleared

He then made the following purchases
2005-06-26 bought traffic 5k of thumb_text_mix_mature to http://www.yourcandystore.net/index.php -20.00 - [details] Cleared

2005-06-26 bought traffic 5k of thumb_text_mix_mature to http://www.insidetwistys.com/?t1/revs=yourcandystore -20.00 - [details] Cleared

2005-06-26 bought traffic 5k of free_last_chance to http://www.insidetwistys.com/?t1/revs=yourcandystore -18.75 - [details] Cleared

2005-06-26 bought traffic 5k of free_last_chance to http://www.yourcandystore.net/index.php -18.75 - [details] Cleared

2005-07-12 bought traffic 3k of thumb_prettyhotbabes_com to http://www.yourcandystore.net/index.php -21.00 - [details] Cleared

All traffic was delivered then he charged back 2 months later.

Why would I waste my time posting all this shit if it were not true? Granted sometimes I post a lot when the mood gets me, but overall I do not have time for shit like this. I am not calling anyone out by this post, least of all Shap. Would I be disapointed or upset if Shap did nothing? NOPE NOT AT ALL. My post was made to get out my frustration on the lack of efforts by the general population to do anything about thieves. And to showcase this guys stupidity.

#1. He lives less than 20 minutes from my house.
#2. He posts his real cellphone number on his whois
#3. He buys traffic from me and sends to one of the most if not most respected sponsors around. Then charges back.

My point is if you are going to rip someone off be a little smarter than this guy.

Now that makes it a much better piece of advice

But i can still see many legit reasons for him to charge back ( like i said im not trying to help this guy lord knows i hate scammers ) , but sometimes anger can cloud judgement..

Maybe he had his credit card stolen , and mistook your charge for something nefarious ? ( what do you bill as ? )

Maybe it was his wifes/gay lovers credit card and he forgot to tell them about the purchase ? ( you never know )

Maybe he got drunk in mexico and needed to secure some quick funds to get himself out of jail ( so he charged back to get some funds into his account )

Maybe his card got hacked and they charged everything back upto a cretain point..

My point is if you haven't spoken to him , maybe theres a reason... i would try speaking with him and see what he says.. then we will know for sure..

Wouldnt it suck if he got caught in a hurricane or something and chopped off both his legs and he needed stumpy guard for his bloody stumps so he needed $100 and he was going to pay you back a million bucks with some gold he found and he had a wire all ready to send you until he logged onto gfy .. lol ok maybe i should stop smoking so much weed

[sltr]

shaq owns twisty's?

[fris]

www.eatabagofdicks.com

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Choker

Sure what's your icq? thanks

no icq, no aim, no fax, nothing but email and phone . .

[digifan]

Originally Posted by sltr

shaq owns twisty's?

[venus]

Do what I do when someone really pisses me off.
go to the newsgroups, post his phone number with a sexy girls name and say he is an escort.

[QUOTE=Chokerhis cell phone number is real, I just called it no answer[/QUOTE]

[3M TA3]

Originally Posted by venus

Do what I do when someone really pisses me off.
go to the newsgroups, post his phone number with a sexy girls name and say he is an escort.

heh heh heh lol lol rofl rofl roflmao

i'm going to be busy tonight

[3M TA3]

choker, i'm looking for traffic as well. i'll be on ICQ in a few hours

[venus]

its been a few years since I done this (the person really deserved it) but I tell you what, it really works...think of the millions of people who use the news groups
they will have to throw away the phone to stop it from ringing

Originally Posted by BlueMoon

heh heh heh lol lol rofl rofl roflmao

i'm going to be busy tonight

[d00t]

webmasters that charge back in the industry should be shot >:\

[d00t]

i wouldnt even call them webmasters.. maybe scammers is more accurate

[tf9901]

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