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Old 09-11-2005, 10:41 PM   #1
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Does life exist beyond the earth?

So what does your gut tell you? is there intelligent life beyond the earth?
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Old 09-11-2005, 10:42 PM   #2
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There's got to be... No way God would settle for creating life on one little small, insigneficant planet like ours only to have us fuck everything up.
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Old 09-11-2005, 10:44 PM   #3
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just do the math. It HAS to or have HAD to or will have at some point.
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Old 09-11-2005, 10:45 PM   #4
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So what does your gut tell you? is there intelligent life beyond the earth?
There is. I really believe that there is an absolute power beyond this universe that we couldn't fathom yet.
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Old 09-11-2005, 10:48 PM   #5
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the better question is

is what you're seeing even real
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Using either scientific logic or religion, it doesn't make sense that there isn't.

I guess a better question is do you think we will ever know for sure given the enormous distances in space?
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Old 09-11-2005, 10:49 PM   #7
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Sure there is intelligent life beyond the earth. You are not being serious are you? Look how small the Earth is in comparison to the distance we can already see... now realize that we are only human and do not have the technology to look 1,000,000,000 times as far yet. There has (no doubt) got to be!
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It's our own choice to believe or not...our own choice to explore and discover...the thing is there's nothing wrong to believe...
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Old 09-11-2005, 10:50 PM   #9
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There is life beyond us and I have proof. This chikc I used to date had her eyes way far apart on her head and I swear she was an alien.
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Old 09-11-2005, 10:51 PM   #12
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I think so yes.
watch discovery and NatGeo occasionaly they have some good shit on the subject.
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lol. Well I'm not into amphetamines yet...
You are?

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is what you're seeing even real
Not discussing Sophism, that's a whole different topic!
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Old 09-11-2005, 10:53 PM   #15
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The two stars that comprise the Zeta Reticuli system are almost identical to the Sun. They are the only known examples of two solar type stars apparently linked into a binary star system of wide separation.

Zeta 1 Reticuli is separated from Zeta 2 Reticuli by at least 350 billion miles -- about 100 times the Sun-Pluto distance. They may be even farther apart, but the available observations suggest they are moving through space together and are therefore physically associated. They probably require at least 100,000 years to orbit around their common center of gravity.

Both Zeta 1 Reticuli and Zeta 2 Reticuli are prime candidates for the search for life beyond Earth. According to our current theories of planetary formation, they both should have a retinue of planets something like our solar system. As yet there is no way of determining if any of the probable planets of either star is similar to Earth.

To help visualize the Zeta Reticuli system, let?s take the Sun?s nine planets and put them in identical orbits around Zeta 2 Reticuli. From a celestial mechanics standpoint there is no reason why this situation could not exist. Would anything be different? Because of Zeta 2 Reticuli?s slightly smaller mass as compared with the Sun, the planets would orbit a little more slowly. Our years might have 390 days, for example. Zeta 2 Reticuli would make a fine sun -- slightly dimmer than ?Old Sol?, but certainly capable of sustaining life. The big difference would not be our new sun but the superstar of the night sky. Shining like a polished gem, Zeta 1 Reticuli would be the dazzling highlight of the night sky -- unlike anything we experience here on Earth. At magnitude -9 it would appear as a starlike point 100 times brighter than Venus. It would be like compressing all the light from the first quarter moon into a point source.

Zeta 1 Reticuli would have long ago been the focus of religions, mythology and astrology if it were in earthly skies. The fact that it would be easily visible in full daylight would give Zeta 1 Reticuli supreme importance to both early civilizations and modern man. Shortly after the invention of the telescope astronomers would be able to detect Jupiter and Saturn sized planets orbiting around Zeta 1. Jupiter would be magnitude +12, visible up to 4.5 minutes of arc from Zeta 1 Reticuli (almost as far as Ganymede swings from Jupiter). It would not make a difficult target for an eight inch telescope. Think of the incentive that discovery would have on interstellar space travel! For hundreds of years we would be aware of another solar system just a few ?light-weeks? away. The evolution of interstellar spaceflight would be rapid, dynamic and inevitable.

By contrast, our nearest solar type neighbor is Tau Ceti at 12 light-years. Even today we only suspect it is accompanied by a family of planets, but we don?t know for sure.

From this comparison of our planetary system with those of Zeta Reticuli, it is clear that any emerging technologically advanced intelligent life would probably have great incentive to achieve star flight. The knowledge of a nearby system of planets of a solar type star would be compelling -- at least it would certainly seem to be.

What is so strange -- and this question prompted us to prepare this article -- is: Why, of all stars, does Zeta Reticuli seem to fit as the hub of a map that appeared inside a spacecraft that allegedly landed on Earth in 1961? Some of the circumstances surrounding the whole incident are certainly bizarre, but not everything can be written off as coincidence or hallucination. It may be optimistic, on one extreme, to hope that our neighbors are as near as 37 light-years away. For the moment we will be satisfied with considering it an exciting possibility.
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I think there is, still we have lots of questions that are remained unanswered even the scientist cant even explain all the things around us...
Were are created for reasons for sure... they said the universe has no end yet it has no beginning...
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The two stars that comprise the Zeta Reticuli system are almost identical to the Sun. They are the only known examples of two solar type stars apparently linked into a binary star system of wide separation.

Zeta 1 Reticuli is separated from Zeta 2 Reticuli by at least 350 billion miles -- about 100 times the Sun-Pluto distance. They may be even farther apart, but the available observations suggest they are moving through space together and are therefore physically associated. They probably require at least 100,000 years to orbit around their common center of gravity.

Both Zeta 1 Reticuli and Zeta 2 Reticuli are prime candidates for the search for life beyond Earth. According to our current theories of planetary formation, they both should have a retinue of planets something like our solar system. As yet there is no way of determining if any of the probable planets of either star is similar to Earth.

To help visualize the Zeta Reticuli system, let?s take the Sun?s nine planets and put them in identical orbits around Zeta 2 Reticuli. From a celestial mechanics standpoint there is no reason why this situation could not exist. Would anything be different? Because of Zeta 2 Reticuli?s slightly smaller mass as compared with the Sun, the planets would orbit a little more slowly. Our years might have 390 days, for example. Zeta 2 Reticuli would make a fine sun -- slightly dimmer than ?Old Sol?, but certainly capable of sustaining life. The big difference would not be our new sun but the superstar of the night sky. Shining like a polished gem, Zeta 1 Reticuli would be the dazzling highlight of the night sky -- unlike anything we experience here on Earth. At magnitude -9 it would appear as a starlike point 100 times brighter than Venus. It would be like compressing all the light from the first quarter moon into a point source.

Zeta 1 Reticuli would have long ago been the focus of religions, mythology and astrology if it were in earthly skies. The fact that it would be easily visible in full daylight would give Zeta 1 Reticuli supreme importance to both early civilizations and modern man. Shortly after the invention of the telescope astronomers would be able to detect Jupiter and Saturn sized planets orbiting around Zeta 1. Jupiter would be magnitude +12, visible up to 4.5 minutes of arc from Zeta 1 Reticuli (almost as far as Ganymede swings from Jupiter). It would not make a difficult target for an eight inch telescope. Think of the incentive that discovery would have on interstellar space travel! For hundreds of years we would be aware of another solar system just a few ?light-weeks? away. The evolution of interstellar spaceflight would be rapid, dynamic and inevitable.

By contrast, our nearest solar type neighbor is Tau Ceti at 12 light-years. Even today we only suspect it is accompanied by a family of planets, but we don?t know for sure.

From this comparison of our planetary system with those of Zeta Reticuli, it is clear that any emerging technologically advanced intelligent life would probably have great incentive to achieve star flight. The knowledge of a nearby system of planets of a solar type star would be compelling -- at least it would certainly seem to be.

What is so strange -- and this question prompted us to prepare this article -- is: Why, of all stars, does Zeta Reticuli seem to fit as the hub of a map that appeared inside a spacecraft that allegedly landed on Earth in 1961? Some of the circumstances surrounding the whole incident are certainly bizarre, but not everything can be written off as coincidence or hallucination. It may be optimistic, on one extreme, to hope that our neighbors are as near as 37 light-years away. For the moment we will be satisfied with considering it an exciting possibility.
100 times the distance of the sun to Pluto is very close, probably a binary.
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that's where the "gray aliens" are "supposedly" from...
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specifically the 4th planet in the zeta reticuli 2 solar system. lol, you know about this shit?
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specifically the 4th planet in the zeta reticuli 2 solar system. lol, you know about this shit?



I am actually an Astronomy buff

The scientists got it wrong though.

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There was a show about this subject on the Discovery Channel where they actually did the mathematical calculations on this taking into account all the factors needed to create life on a planet.

The number of probable planets with life just in our Milky Way Galaxy came out to about 10,000 on the high side and 2,500 on the low side.

However you have to define what life means compared to the life we think of here.

My estimate would be about 100 to 500 intelligent civilizations in our galaxy.

The Milky Way has a diameter of 100,000 light years and holds about 400 Billion stars.

So that would calculate out to about 1 intelligent civilization for every 4 Billion stars in our galaxy.

Next calculate this factor for the entire Universe which has an estimated 250 Billion Galaxies.

But lets go ultra conservative and cut the factor of 100 per galaxy to only 1 per galaxy. You'd have 250 Billion civilizations potentially which sounds like a lot, but considering the size of the universe its really not.

It would be virtually impossible statistically based on the commonality of the same elements throughout the Universe to not have life elsewhere.

Even if you blew down the stats to 1 civilization for every billion galaxies you'd still have at least 250 out there.

That is 250 out of 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 solar systems.
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From a PURELY mathematical perspective, the odds are there's life outside of earth. The question is...will it take the form we normally associate with 'life' and 'intelligence'? Oxygen is not needed--just look at the thermal vent bacteria living under the ocean near tectonic plates... they use sulfur compounds to 'breathe'.
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There was a show about this subject on the Discovery Channel where they actually did the mathematical calculations on this taking into account all the factors needed to create life on a planet.

The number of probable planets with life just in our Milky Way Galaxy came out to about 10,000 on the high side and 2,500 on the low side.

However you have to define what life means compared to the life we think of here.

My estimate would be about 100 to 500 intelligent civilizations in our galaxy.

The Milky Way has a diameter of 100,000 light years and holds about 400 Billion stars.

So that would calculate out to about 1 intelligent civilization for every 4 Billion stars in our galaxy.

Next calculate this factor for the entire Universe which has an estimated 250 Billion Galaxies.

But lets go ultra conservative and cut the factor of 100 per galaxy to only 1 per galaxy. You'd have 250 Billion civilizations potentially which sounds like a lot, but considering the size of the universe its really not.

It would be virtually impossible statistically based on the commonality of the same elements throughout the Universe to not have life elsewhere.

Even if you blew down the stats to 1 civilization for every billion galaxies you'd still have at least 250 out there.

That is 250 out of 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 solar systems.
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there must be, however i dont beleive in the hangar having a alien,it seems like it would have leaked some evidence by now..
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Put it this way. We would have to be very niave and arrogant to think that we are the only intelligent life forms in the universe.
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How big is the Universe? Is the Universe Infinite? That's such a crazy concept to comprehend. Something that never ends.
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you'd have to be pretty ignorant to think humans are the only intellegent life in the universe.


remember when people thought the earth was the center of the universe and the sun rotated around it?

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They MUST be out there.
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