umm...The relation comes from our countries preparedness to handle disasters, terrorist or natural. If our government cant handle the aftermath of a natural disaster, they arent anymore prepared to handle a terrorist attack then they were 4 years ago.

And you can call Michael Moore one sided, a moron, or an idiot all you want. No one in this thread has said anything to contradict what he said. Becuase you cant. Even the most die hard sheep conservative knows its true. The head of FEMA main experience was being a horse show director. The second and third in charge have little disaster management experience, and Bush waited 2 days after the levees broke to even tour the area by air. He was too busy raing money. So all they can say is Moore's an idiot. The definition of ironic.

Its obvious your just looking for someone to argue with, im sure there will be plenty of people here to take my place on this issue. Plus why would i need to engage in an argument with you for no reason when someone has already posted what i was thinking and going to say. They summed up my thoughts, plain and simple. And its Sunday, football is in the air, foods on the grill and im enjoying life to the fullest.

Have fun defending Michael Moore the socialist.

Just answer the question dude.


How does it feel to know that the man you elected to lead us after we were attacked went ahead and put a guy in charge of FEMA whose main qualification was that he ran horse shows?

Total asshole remark dude. Way outta line.

We're not rehashing who's fault it was about 9/11.

What we are discussing is now, today 4 years later and we are NOT MORE SECURE.

lets see Clinton found the guys who did it and they are sitting in jail. Where is Bin Laden? Also Bush was told by the leaving Admin Bin Laden is a problem , he received a report a month before 911 bin Laden to attack the us and did nothing. Also wasnt it strange how fast they came up with the guys who did it? If a democrat had been president during 911 they would of been blaming him for everything. Also how can any have balls to complain about Michael Moore ,when the tv and radio are filled at least 40 hrs a week with right wing pundits acting like serious news commentators.

It was 1993 dipshit.

You've proven yourself to be more ignorant than I thought before.

It's not about defending Michael Moore...you can't prove he's wrong...LOL

I have nothing to defend...his post is on the offensive the ball is in your court.

Whooosh...that was it going by your head.

Are you that clueless?

On February 26, 1993 at 12:13 PM, a Ryder truck filled with explosives was planted by terrorists and exploded in the underground garage of the north tower, opening a 30m hole through 4 sublevels of concrete. Six people were killed and over a thousand injured. Six Islamist extremist conspirators were convicted of the crime in 1997 and 1998 and given prison sentences of 240 years each.

To commemorate the bombing of the tower, a reflecting pool was installed with the names of those who had been killed in the blast. Following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, relief workers found a single fractured piece of this fountain; to date it is the only remaining part of the 1993 memorial that survived the collapse of the towers.

well you know what they've been saying since day one, right? Bush appeals to the simple folk. Joe Average. The bullshit I've read here supporting him pretty much prove it.

We may have a dithering tax evading crook running Canada, but every night I say my thanks that he isn't as bad as Bush Jr.

When a president can brag about being a C student and still manage get elected to lead the USA you have to ask yourself who the joke is; him, or the people who thought he was qualified for the job and voted him in?

so are you saying bush didnt find the dead bodies of the hijackers ? ?


because guess what , the people / organisation that ordered it is still active

Hey Ray...I'm still waiting on your answer to the question at hand.

Horse shows are disasters waiting to happen

Thats the whole fucking point.

In reference to the relief effort, the first line of defense is the local and state government, been that way for years. I am more pissed at the mayor for not utilizing the buses that were there, pissed at LO governor for not allowing the Red Cross in. Now on the Federal level, the FEMA chief needed to be replaced. Glad he is gone and hope it all goes smoother now. I am a Democrat but Moore makes me ill, cant stand the guy and I am not a fan of Bush either. One is too too left and the other is far right. Wish Rudy was in there taking care of business.

The CEO of the Red Cross makes $650,000 a year. They have a ton of $100,000 plus execs that get cars also included for perks. The average salary there runs $40K to $60K.

Michael Moore should take a close look at this organization that everyone thinks is run by volunteers. Its actually a multibillion dollar corporation operating under the guise of a charity.

The Red Cross's main business is blood. Getting people to donate blood and then they turn around and sell it to hospital's and blood banks for a profit.

I just started researching this organization and am amazed by the dirty stuff I'm reading today.

The tactic has always been and will always be attacking the messenger and misdirection.

so what ?

:1orglaugh

good one.

This is exactly what's wrong.

Where should you donate if you want to help and get the money to people who are in need? I've already donated to the Red Cross but am aware of the critism of their organization. Only thing is they are still probably the best global organization for the job.

When was the last terrorist attack on American soil pre-9/11? Oklahoma City in 1995?

The anthrax guy, the DC Snipers, a grenade attack outside the London Embassy in NYC... there might be a few more, not sure but those are just off the top of my head post 9/11.

Michael Moore is a troll, and George Bush is an incompetant idiot. We'd be better off without the both of them.

If you think there hasnt been a terrorist attack because of anything Bush has done you could very well be the dumbest person on this board.

Here we are 4 years later. Bush has completely forgot about bin Laden, more people than ever hate us, the amount of terrorists that would love to pull off a 9/11 style attack has increased by a thousand percent, and the NO disaster has shown they are even less prepared for a disaster than pre 9/11. An attack is coming, you can be sure. And when it does people like you can run your mouths and blame Clinton, Moore, etc, but the truth is the finger will point at you and everyone else who so blindly supports this corrupt and evil administration.

the master mind of the first twin towers bombing is in jail , where is binladen?

Wow, this "Ray Nagin" character must be like 14 years old.

I don't like Michael Moore much but he presents a great point there. I don't think he'll get any responses from right wingers other than personal insults.

ah that is quality. too bad most bush voters can't read. :1orglaugh

It's amazing the amount of people that still support Bush...

it goes with the philosophy of " staying the course " ...

Even if wrong, just go on ... so you don't have to be humble enough to admit it...

Michael Moore needs a fake nick :) (I usually think he's an asshole, but I like this one)

They are too busy recruiting in Iraq. They think in terms of years like we do in months. Has nothing to do with our "great" presidente'. :1orglaugh

Yeah, like we need more KRL's.

Thats not the question.

The question is will you be ready when it happens? Cause it will happen its just a matter of time. Its impossible to stop fanatics carrying out their mission all the time, there will be some that slips thru.

London knew it would be a matter of time before they got hit and they were ready, the response time, having doctors flown by helicopters to the bomb sites saved lives, everyone had trained for an attack and it showed.

I guess only time will tell if the US is ready.

Fact: I did not vote for Bush.
Fact: Kerry was the reason Bush won.
Fact: Michael Moore twists facts, he is still full of shit.

You've obviously never heard of Richard Clarke or all the millenium plots that were foiled. Clinton didn't do anything? You know nothing.

Oh, there was also a bombing by some nut at the 96 olympics.

BTW, the WTC bombing was in '93, February 26, 1993. not in '96. Less than a month after Clinton's Inauguration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing

Also at this same time that whole Waco Texas Branch Dividian thing was going on along with the assualt of the Don't Ask Don't Tell military policy.

What allowed the 9/11 attacks to happen was people like Bush removing people like Richard Clarke from a position that he had held under several presidents and all but ignoring reports with names such as "Bin Laden determined to strike on American soil" while he was on one of his now over 50 vacations in 5 years.

I remember someone telling me last week that Y2K was a fraud. That it was a conspiracy by the IT industry to make billions off big business. What REALLY happened was that an army of millions of people worked 17 hour days for 6 months to make sure the disaster never happened. Instead of being thanked, these people are called con artists by a surprisingly large number of people. I was working at a computer shop and was selling addon bios chips to fix a lot lf older machines. I got called a few things too.

Is our country more safe now? Well I suppose if we had spent the last 4 years planning on a storm that hasnt happened in 100+ years then we wouldnt be having this conversation. Instead we've been fighting against terrorist threats. In 4 years we havnt been attacked. Does this mean that the terrorists who you are always saying hate us more than ever have just given up? Or does it mean that *gasp* just MAYBE Bush and his cronies are doing SOMETHING right?

Interesting how history repeats itself as always.

Fact : I did not vote for Bush
Fact: Gore won and Kerry probably did too, but the voting machines wouldn't let him.
Fact: Micheal Moore is the only one willing to tell the truth.

The CEO of the Salvation Army gets $13,000 plus housing a year.

You seriously believed the Y2K bug would happen or be huge?

See? :) How much AS400 programming have you done? Work with many mainframes? How many times have you run something even as basic as quicken on a 486/33 thats 4 days past 12/31/99?

You seriously believe that what I (in a very small way- nothing like most) and many others did was a scam?

I've got to run out now but UNO's comment underlines and proves my point. It's very very easy for people who have been protected from harm to ignore the fact that the threat ever existed. It is so much more comfortable to sit back and criticize than appreciate that someone you hate might be doing one thing right.

Just as there are people who believe the Holocaust didn't really happen, there are people who believe just 5 years later that y2k was a fraud. There are people who find it easier to forget than accept facts and this is prevalent on both sides. Conservatives (I'm one) forget how nice things actually were under Clinton. Liberals forget how the 80's were the time of wealth for a whole new breed of entrepreneur that could come from any social background. We mark the Good Times or the Bad Times based on who was in power rather than how we were doing personally.

bingo.....

I love people who call GW a idiot and a moron. Lets see he has millions and is the president of the USA. What have you done? lol

Fact: spanky part 2 owns lots of stock in Alcoa RMC

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or should

Michael Moore is to documentaries as GFY is to Rhodes Scholars

Why do Bush supporters use this lame statement.
Lets see, 9/11 happened on Bush's watch, and 4 years prior to 9/11 there were no terrorist attacks on US soil either.

so saying that bush did anything right because there have been no terrorist attacks on US soil in x amount of years is ignorant.

Did I say anything about Bush being responsible for the lack of terror attacks? No, I did not. However, if there was an attack Bush would be the first to be blamed. You cannot have it both ways.

My main point is that Michael Moore wants another terrorist attack in the United States. He loves to see American blood spilled and he never misses an opportunity to profit off of other's misery.

I thought bush executed the WTC attack? Its easy to see why now all is well.

Yep tin foil alright. Anyone who questions this administration is unpatriotic.

I have done my research, have you? Did you know that one person is in control of a whole precinct. A little restart and you can change the whole totals off of a precinct. Since there is no paper trail, well no one will know.
There is a documentary on the subject, if you would care to do a simple google search. Many articles on the subject too. I know it's hard to believe that big business would ever try and fix an election.

In case you forgot, the supreme court picked the winner of the 2000 election. Our votes didn't count.

It cracks me up that we wanted election watchers in Iraq, but wouldn't let outsiders watch ours.

Seems strange that the man who owns the company that made the voting machines in Ohio, said he would "deliver" Ohio for Bush. Hmmmmm which state did Bush need to win.................