What if Kerry won the election, would gas prices still be so high ?

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  • throwdown
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    • Aug 2005
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    #1

    What if Kerry won the election, would gas prices still be so high ?

    think about it

    would they still be so high ?
  • StickyGreen
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    #2
    probably...
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    • d00t
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      • Sep 2002
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      #3
      every country is having an oil price increase issue...its not just usa

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      • SuckOnThis
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        • Oct 2003
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        #4
        Its amazing that people still don't see the connection. Its the same thing if a milkman became president and milk went to $10 a gallon.

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        • SGS
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          • davidd
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            • Jul 2003
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            #6
            Originally posted by throwdown
            think about it

            would they still be so high ?
            You are ignoring the macro issues, but let's take your question at face value.

            Yes, much higher. He supported higher taxes on gasoline, to some how make people not use as much.

            Same misguided thinking I see everyday in Europe.

            Taxation does not solve issues, it makes the pain much higher on those living on fixed budgets (lower incomes).

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            • V_RocKs
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              • Nov 2003
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              #7
              They would not.. Just like Clinton he would release a large chunk of the strategic reserve and piss off all of the Republicans because the gas price would only slightly fluctuate... Remember 10 years ago when it hit $2 a gallon and people shit their pants?

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              • MikeyFingaz
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                • Aug 2005
                • 1569

                #8
                What REALLY sucks is that when the government sees that people will still pay this much for gas, it gives them incentive to not lower prices that much. they will figure that if we still bought gas and drove around just as much when it is 3 bucks a gallon, then we wouldnt bitch too much about it when it drops only about 50 cents. then that will become the AVERAGE price, and it will stay there. I hope my thinking is wrong.

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                • bjjb
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                  • Mar 2004
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                  #9
                  Yes. Its inflation, price gouging, storms, Mid East tensions. They all contribute. Its not just Bush's ineptitude thats causing it.

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                  • SuckOnThis
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                    • Oct 2003
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by V_RocKs
                    They would not.. Just like Clinton he would release a large chunk of the strategic reserve and piss off all of the Republicans because the gas price would only slightly fluctuate... Remember 10 years ago when it hit $2 a gallon and people shit their pants?
                    Yep. This is right off of the GOP's website back then:

                    http://www.gop.gov/item-news.asp?docId=36898

                    Clinton Administration 'Napping' While Americans Assaulted With High Gas Prices

                    WASHINGTON March 17
                    The Clinton Administration has failed in its duty to develop a policy to deal with our national energy supply and is therefore directly accountable for the higher prices Americans are now paying at the gas pumps," Congressman Terry Everett, R-Enterprise, said Friday.

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                    • MikeyFingaz
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                      • Aug 2005
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by bjjb
                      Yes. Its inflation, price gouging, storms, Mid East tensions. They all contribute. Its not just Bush's ineptitude thats causing it.
                      yeah, all those things are part of the problem too, but think about it, noone can deny the fact that bush has a financial interestin higher gas prices. therefore he will not fight as hard to keep gas prices down.

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                      • Ross
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                        • Sep 2002
                        • 18874

                        #12
                        You all moan about your gas prices and it pisses me off.

                        Now wonder you guys can own a few cars. In the UK its fucking crazy how much more we pay for a car, to insure a car and to fuel it up. You guys got it good.

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                        • MikeyFingaz
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                          • Aug 2005
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                          #13
                          The higher gas prices are, the more money bush makes........ that is a fact noone can deny.

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                          • broke
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                            • Aug 2003
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by MikeyFingaz
                            What REALLY sucks is that when the government sees that people will still pay this much for gas, it gives them incentive to not lower prices that much. they will figure that if we still bought gas and drove around just as much when it is 3 bucks a gallon, then we wouldnt bitch too much about it when it drops only about 50 cents. then that will become the AVERAGE price, and it will stay there. I hope my thinking is wrong.
                            Wow -- I must have missed where the federalize set prices at the pump....
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                            • jimmyf
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                              • Feb 2001
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by V_RocKs
                              They would not.. Just like Clinton he would release a large chunk of the strategic reserve and piss off all of the Republicans because the gas price would only slightly fluctuate... Remember 10 years ago when it hit $2 a gallon and people shit their pants?
                              release of some the strategic reserve, might effect the price for a few hours.... that's about it though..

                              besides, the strategic reserve has 2 be replaced..
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                              • broke
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                                • Aug 2003
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by jimmyf
                                release of some the strategic reserve, might effect the price for a few hours.... that's about it though..
                                I especially liked when Clinton opened the SR on Sept 23, 2000. Nothing political about that...
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                                • candyflip
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                                  • Jul 2002
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by jimmyf
                                  besides, the strategic reserve has 2 be replaced..
                                  *ahem* Iraq


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                                  • davidd
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                                    • Jul 2003
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Ross
                                    You all moan about your gas prices and it pisses me off.

                                    Now wonder you guys can own a few cars. In the UK its fucking crazy how much more we pay for a car, to insure a car and to fuel it up. You guys got it good.
                                    Brother, we broke away from England a couple hundred years ago. If you can do it yourself please do not come here to bitch.

                                    99 pence per liter ;) When I was there, this alone, made me want to leave. Aside from the raping on cigarettes, the rain, and the overall grab ass taxation mentality.

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                                    • tony299
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                                      • Aug 2002
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                                      #19
                                      Who knows what would of happen? The funny thing is oil companies are making record profits , so one would have to figure their margins havent changed much.

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                                      • broke
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                                        • Aug 2003
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by MikeyFingaz
                                        yeah, all those things are part of the problem too, but think about it, noone can deny the fact that bush has a financial interestin higher gas prices. therefore he will not fight as hard to keep gas prices down.
                                        I, for one, can't wait untill MikeyFingaz discloses the details of Bush's blind trust. He seems to had a ton of insider info. That or too much time to read bloggers with less info than he...
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                                        • simple simon
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by broke
                                          I, for one, can't wait untill MikeyFingaz discloses the details of Bush's blind trust. He seems to had a ton of insider info. That or too much time to read bloggers with less info than he...
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                                            • Nov 2003
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                                            #22
                                            Speculative question. There's really no way to know unless all the variables faced by Bush where the same for Kerry. There's too many issues for any one person to control.

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                                            • seeric
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                                              • Aug 2004
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                                              #23
                                              yes, and it would still be bush's fault

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                                              • Spunky
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                                                #24
                                                I don't think it would matter on who was in office..we still would be fucked

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                                                • hydro
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                                                  #25
                                                  raise your kids white and republican and they'll be rich.

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                                                  • Linkster
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                                                    • Feb 2003
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                                                    #26
                                                    gas prices have nothing to fucking do with who the president is (to answer the original question) - its set by the futures market in Chicago based on world events.

                                                    Second - the emergency reserves were released last week -for those of you that obviously missed it

                                                    And yes - probably the current pres is making money off of the higher profits of the oil companies - and so are the rest of their stockholders - who would go ballistic if the oil companies lowered their prices - its all in the economics of making money for your stock investors - just like any good performing corporation - yeah it sucks in my opinion but they I guess that the 15 billion in profits they make every 3 months is good for their stock holders.
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                                                    • MikeyFingaz
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by broke
                                                      I, for one, can't wait untill MikeyFingaz discloses the details of Bush's blind trust. He seems to had a ton of insider info. That or too much time to read bloggers with less info than he...
                                                      is it too complex of a concept for you to get that if you deal in the sales of a particular product, and said product starts to sell at much higher prices then you will profit more from it???

                                                      I dont claim to have insider info. but i got enough sense to know the laws of pricing and profit... Yet i digress, for I am not an experienced keyboard warrior. therefor I know that i cannot win this arguement. ;)

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                                                      • MikeyFingaz
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by broke
                                                        I, for one, can't wait untill MikeyFingaz discloses the details of Bush's blind trust. He seems to had a ton of insider info. That or too much time to read bloggers with less info than he...
                                                        Oh, btw, I never said bush raised gas prices. I said that he would be less apt to fight to keep prices down due to his financial interest in higher prices.... read posts more carefully next time.

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                                                        • justfreemovies
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                                                          • Feb 2004
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                                                          #29
                                                          bleh hydrogen engines are making leaps and bounds
                                                          should only be a couple of years then let the whole shitty middle east die
                                                          no one will want their fucking oil no more in about 20 years
                                                          teach them fuckers good wont it
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                                                          • Probono
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                                                            • Oct 2002
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                                                            #30
                                                            I doubt a democrat would have been that different in these circumstances. Both parties are corrupt. The big difference and the legacy which will be with us long after Bush are his Supreme Court appointees. We have not yet begun to bleed.

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                                                            • aico
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                                                              • Mar 2004
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by davidd
                                                              You are ignoring the macro issues, but let's take your question at face value.

                                                              Yes, much higher. He supported higher taxes on gasoline, to some how make people not use as much.

                                                              Same misguided thinking I see everyday in Europe.

                                                              Taxation does not solve issues, it makes the pain much higher on those living on fixed budgets (lower incomes).
                                                              Yep, they tried the same thing with Cigarettes, didn't work either.

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                                                              • spanky part 2
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                                                                • Oct 2003
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                                                                #32
                                                                Economics 101 on why the republicans or oil companies don't give a fuck if they lose a few customers by raising the prices.

                                                                Raise your prices 10% and you need 28% less volume to make the same money. Raise them 20% and you need 44% less volume.

                                                                Lets see. An oil president is running the country and you don't think it makes a difference? You are fucking idiots.

                                                                Kinda funny, I saw just a little blurb in the paper and haven't seen anything since. Bush has thrown out epa standards for gas producers, due to the emergency. When do you think they will get put back into place?

                                                                It's like an alcoholic in charge of a liquor store.

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