Now go have a look at all your sales with no referrer that are a DIRECT result of your affiliates. 10% profit margin my ass. You might have an initial 10% profit margin on the original sale but you can't magically forget type ins, branding, return buyers, etc.

Edit: And I guess you drive a pinto on that 10% since the poor paysite owner is just screwed?

Paysites are about volume, revshare or pps programs.. The profit margin increases over years and years of being open due to the branding which we pay webmasters on so it's fair.

Why do you think big companies have started to drop ads, employees, and all the extra BS.. More profit because the profit margin % isn't all that high, damn sure not as high as everyone seems to think it is.

And the profit margin is about 10%, Max 20%.. companies that drive in their own traffic have a much higher %.. But we are talking about webmasters and not our own promos.

Yes I understand how the paysite model works. 10% isn't much but you benefit so much more than that. Are you trying to say that everyone paying 60% revshare without upsells are losing money? There are plently of sites that are just fine.

Upsells based off of the % of members you have makes you jack shit, its just extra cash in the bank to help make more. Nobody said 60% programs without upsells lose money.. It's about making a bit more money..

The point of this post was upsells / DVD's would change retention, which they don't do so bitching about having upsells and not paying the webmasters is just BS. We pay you for the sale to the site, if you want to make money on the DVD's then sell the DVD's through a different site.

I don't have DVD's btw, sold out a while back, retention has never been better.. The more I update the better I retain the more webmasters make.

No, please do not translate my posts, or put words in my mouth.

I simply expressed my frustration, addressed the sponsors, and encouraged the following:

In regards to retention, I said:

Which translates to me stating my concern, and what I feel is the issue and my decision to change out content and links.

That's about it. Don't speak for me.

He specifically said DVD's of the content that is part of the site. Also, he got paid a % for sending them member there but not a % of everything you sold them. Wouldn't waste my traffic on that either, ever.

i concur.

DVDs hinder retention. :1orglaugh

This translate to DVD's would change retention, so I didn't put words in your mouth.

Well, I would have to disagree with that. Our retention is amazing and for all the reasons the Doc mentioned, frequency of updates, ease of nav., good customer service.The DVDs are great... but you can only see our UNCUT versions online...

I was joking and being sarcastic, considering what his statement was regarding the DVDs not having an effect on the retention ;)

I simply said my personal experience, as of now, I believe it to be related to DVD sales. The dvd sells are everywhere and its obvious in my experience. Thats all.

And I encouraged othwers to maybe do a little research. Nothing wrong with that.

I'm sorry to tell you Fletch but you are incorrect. It does not hinder retention. Yes, some members may not rebill because they have the DVD now but many don't buy DVD's, they would have cancelled anyway, others stay around for more DVD's, etc..

Retention changes because the site changes, updates, layout, speed, etc.

You guys have your panties so tight you cant sense sarcasm.

I did say that having to many upsells would change things :) Paysite owners can't oversell upsells in the members area or it will kill the site.

Really though, I think you would be amazed at the amount of paysites that only allow one or two video downloads at a time. That shit, kills retention.

Sorry Fletch.. Freakin Ninja and his stupid posts got me going.

You are hilarious. Try to pass off your poor profit margins to someone else. :1orglaugh

what do we learn here? a poster's post count is not necessarily a sign of quality. get a clue!

I dont see how this is a problem. AOL pays for referring new members. Do they pay on all the shit they try to sell their members? Same for many many huge businesses. We dont have any reason to get % of DVDs or toys we didnt sell them.

Buddy, you are part of the reason programs have small profit margins. Take your self referring self and go scam someone else.

I don't have poor profits, I have webmasters that push my sites and then my own traffic.. you don't see people posting trash about my program cause my shit converts and retains.

Affiliate programs have small profit margins? That is news to me :) I've seen some pretty damn high profit margins

You are a damn fool. You made a big fuss about how small 10% margins are. I haven't referred myself to shit and I don't whore all the resources you were bitching about earlier. I send traffic that converts and expect to get paid on it when I do not to have the customer I could have sent anywhere given a pile of shit he can buy instead.

I'm sorry you must rely heavily on TGP submitters who can't do shit for themselves, really I feel sorry for you. :1orglaugh

lol, I was so lost in trying to spin our uniqueness that I was deaf to the sound of the sarcasm dripping on my head... my apologies.

No way dude, they all drive motorcycles to save money and live in the ghetto because they love taking care of those darn TGP guys so much. We need to set up a collection in fact.

It's all good.

I was pissed when I made the thread.

And we all know threads like this are good for 3 pages at least :)

Are you a total moron? WTF does this post mean?

I didn't make a big fuss, I stated a fact.. Your brain must have the slow switch on. And you are the one that stated in another post about referring yourself.

Why would you feel sorry for me? I will take TGP traffic all day, I don't have any problems converting it.. Personal traffic, I don't think I have any TGP traffic that I can remember.

Go read the thread numbnuts. I bitched about them complaining of someone referring themselves. I've never done it myself. You said way back on the first page that the poor paysite owners only have a 10% margin, blah blah blah. I said you were ignoring too much and 10% is bullshit which spawned this other arguement. What type of car do you drive on your 10% margins?

Profit, take home, clear.. 10% is pretty damn good.. So lets say 10 as a low and 20% as a high as I stated..

AFTER all bills? If you make 500k a month, you CLEAR.. $50k-$100k a MONTH..
It takes volume, but that is still some damn good money each month to have clean in the bank account..

Webmaster traffic at that, not in house, self promoted, self drove traffic.

What kind of car.. What does my car have to do with it? We have one car, a family SUV.. Two kids and a wife that can't drive.

How about this, I have ZERO dept.. House, car, credit cards, etc.. all paid off. Well I have $300 on my CC from golf, my bad..

Would you like to compair cock sizes too?

Free longterm branding and a home for your own traffic + 10% on all affiliates. Sounds like pretty solid business to me. :)

Bro, you are complaining with some know it all fuck who joined less than 2 months ago.

We've both been in this business long enough to know this type doesn't last very long in this business.

Water off a ducks ass. Fuck him.

Did you forget you were complaining about the small 10% you make on affiliates one page back? You have all that on your little ole 10% which was my entire point.

Btw regarding the DVD issue my uninformed opinion is that it probably wont hurt retention. Maybe it is one small factor that might tip the scale over from average to poor retention.

Anyway, always interesting to see what sponsors do with our revshare traffic once it is inside their site. I have seen some horrible traffic theft in my days although things look better now overall IMO.

I joined in 2002 which has fuck all to do with your buddy trying to blow smoke up everyones ass. Just because the entire paysite model is a big secret doesn't mean those with common sense don't know what in the hell is going on. Your "bro" already changed his argument around anyhow.

10% on affilates isn't bad, after bills are paid.. And my money is made from my own traffic and my plugin content. Webmaster traffic is icing on the cake.

And I didn't change my argument and the paysite business isn't a big secret.. It's pretty damn easy just a lot of work. Yet the profit margin is why so many fail, they think it is bigger than what it really is. If anything it has a better potental to making a higher gross which would mean your net earnings would be bigger number but not a larger %.

Funny, my eyes show 2005. I must be going blind. Or maybe yours are.

What you fail to understand, due to your own stupidity is that 10% profit margin on 500k is 50k. I have no idea what The Doc's program is doing, but I do know that he has been around longer than you, paying his affiliates day in, and day out.

Now, kindly stfu. You have no idea what you are talking about.

You don't even know what you are arguing about. :1orglaugh Start from first page, read top to bottom, and blow it out your ass. :upsidedow

Fuck off Noob

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I love you too sunshine but you don't even seem to grasp the point I was arguing. I don't blame you though since your friend flipped his story half way through.

All I hear from you is:
"Blah Blah Blah I've never run a program, Blah Blah Blah, I'm talking out of my ass, Blah Blah Blah, I'm a Newbie Supernova, Blah Blah Blah."

I don't care what you are arguing, for the simple reason that you are a nobody.

Thank you, now go find someone to buy your shit scripts from 1999.

You know absolutely nothing about me because that is the way I keep it on the boards. Please tell me your not associated with the company in your sig, I would hate to have to go pull links because of an idiot that can't even see he agrees with me in the same paragraph he's talking shit in.

Wow, how novel, the "I'm going to pull traffic" threat.

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