WSJ: Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents... - GoFuckYourself.com

detoxed · 09-07-2005, 02:15 PM

Yes, to all you who defended her in my previous thread, you are fools

Young · 09-07-2005, 02:18 PM

heard all abou this on the Laura Ingram show. Though I consider myself leaning to the left I do enjoy listening to that chic.

Don't expect anybody but the WSJ (Conservative Spinners) to pick up on this yet. The rest of the media will wait till things settle down.

Everyone is saying that this may go right up to the top but from what I heard yesterday it looks like the buck is going to stop on those two morons.

Holly · 09-07-2005, 02:30 PM

I've not gotten into this in any of the other threads because I have no desire to argue with anyone about it, but I think Nagin is a complete idiot, and has acted like one before, during and after this whole mess.

TheSenator · 09-07-2005, 02:32 PM

Read the timeline...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...ricane_Katrina

Very helpful when contructing an accurate picture of what happen.

TheSenator · 09-07-2005, 02:32 PM

Here is another timeline.
http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/...ina_Chronology

Timeline is just a tool based on facts.

dig420 · 09-07-2005, 02:37 PM

Wall Street Journal has become a partisan rag. Just look at John Fund, the amazing man with no chin and even less ethical sense.

The "blame game"? You can play along at home
While insisting that now is no time for playing the "blame game," the president's supporters are busy blaming state and local officials for the inadequate response to Hurricane Katrina. They've claimed that Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco didn't declare a state of emergency. She did, on Aug. 26, when the president was still on vacation. And they've claimed that Blanco was slow to ask for federal help. In fact, Blanco wrote a letter to the president on Aug. 28 in which she said that an "effective response" to Katrina's destruction would be "beyond the capabilities of the state and affected local governments" and requested federal help to "save lives" and "protect property."

The president was on vacation then, too.

But FEMA Director Michael Brown wasn't, and he got right to work. More or less. Internal FEMA documents show that Brown waited five hours after Katrina struck land on Aug. 29 before he asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff to send 1,000 department employees to the Gulf Coast. And even then, he suggested that Homeland Security employees should have a couple of days to get themselves in place.

Once in place, the Homeland Security employees would, among other things, "convey a positive image" of the government's response to the hurricane, Brown told Chertoff.

dig420 · 09-07-2005, 02:38 PM

Is it time yet?
The president and his press secretary have suggested over the last few days that anyone who questions the federal government's response to Hurricane Katrina is engaged in the "blame game," and that "now is not a time for politics." We thought that sounded just a little familiar when we heard it, and now we know why. In the presidency of George W. Bush, it turns out, it's pretty much never a "time for politics."

"Now is not the time for politics," the president declared on Feb. 14, 2001, just two months after the Supreme Court decided Bush v. Gore and put him in the White House. Later that same month, the president said, "There's a time for politics, and that ended a while ago." On March 22, 2001, the president explained: "See, there's a time for politics, and there's a time for policy. And the way I view it is, once you get sworn in, that the politics is over."

In the aftermath of 9/11, the president said, "Now is not the time for politics." When the president was pushing one round of his tax cuts in December 2001, he declared: "Now is not the time for partisan politics." When reporters asked in January 2002 whether Enron might have benefited from the president's energy policies, White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said that others could "pursue politics" and "play the blame game," but the White House wouldn't. When Bush's treasury secretary discussed the struggling economy in April 2003, he said, "Now is not the time for partisan politics." When a reporter asked Bush about his plans for Iraq in December 2003, the president said: "There's going to be plenty of time for politics. And people can debate all they want. I'm going to do my job." When another reporter asked Bush about charges that he had advance warning of 9/11, he said: "There's time for politics. There's time for politics, and I -- it's an absurd insinuation."

TheJimmy · 09-07-2005, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dig420

Wall Street Journal has become a partisan rag. Just look at John Fund, the amazing man with no chin and even less ethical sense.

The "blame game"? You can play along at home
While insisting that now is no time for playing the "blame game," the president's supporters are busy blaming state and local officials for the inadequate response to Hurricane Katrina. They've claimed that Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco didn't declare a state of emergency. She did, on Aug. 26, when the president was still on vacation. And they've claimed that Blanco was slow to ask for federal help. In fact, Blanco wrote a letter to the president on Aug. 28 in which she said that an "effective response" to Katrina's destruction would be "beyond the capabilities of the state and affected local governments" and requested federal help to "save lives" and "protect property."

The president was on vacation then, too.

But FEMA Director Michael Brown wasn't, and he got right to work. More or less. Internal FEMA documents show that Brown waited five hours after Katrina struck land on Aug. 29 before he asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff to send 1,000 department employees to the Gulf Coast. And even then, he suggested that Homeland Security employees should have a couple of days to get themselves in place.

Once in place, the Homeland Security employees would, among other things, "convey a positive image" of the government's response to the hurricane, Brown told Chertoff.

well put...

all in all, there was a significant break down from ALL LEVELS of this chain...

however, as in any political/societal/familial situation, the person ULTIMATELY in charge is the person that should be held accountable...that's why they get paid the big bucks to be the big daddy (or mami)...

spunkmaster · 09-07-2005, 03:57 PM

The Mayor refused to use the school buses to evacuate the old and poor out of thecity !

Blanco refused to allow Red Cross and FEMA to bring food and water to Stadium !!!

Blanco refused to give authority for FEMA to take over the operation until 5 days after they were under water !

Blanco refused to activate the National Guard !

The state has been given several billions $$$ to fix the levies and spent the money on other things !

Finally, it's all Bush's fault !

tony286 · 09-07-2005, 04:01 PM

the spin starts isnt it funny .

Fletch XXX · 09-07-2005, 04:03 PM

Presidential declaration signed 2 days before katirna hit gave FEDs the lead.... they failed.

Quote:

Clinton also said she believes the bulk of the investigation should be on the federal level because of the presidential declaration signed two days before Katrina struck.

That declaration put the federal government in the lead to coordinate the response to the disaster.

"I'm primarily interested why the federal government was not more ready, not more able, not more willing" to handle the response to the disaster, she said.

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakin...09.html#077587

TheSenator · 09-07-2005, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

the spin starts isnt it funny .

Less savvy politcal observers can't see through all the spin.

Ultimately, if a ship sinks it is the capt who is responsible.

Fletch XXX · 09-07-2005, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Read the timeline...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...ricane_Katrina

Very helpful when contructing an accurate picture of what happen.

its clearly been reported that the spin has begun. great timeline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...ricane_Katrina

09-07-2005, 02:15 PM	#1
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09-07-2005, 02:18 PM	#2
Young Bland for life Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,468	heard all abou this on the Laura Ingram show. Though I consider myself leaning to the left I do enjoy listening to that chic. Don't expect anybody but the WSJ (Conservative Spinners) to pick up on this yet. The rest of the media will wait till things settle down. Everyone is saying that this may go right up to the top but from what I heard yesterday it looks like the buck is going to stop on those two morons. __________________ ★★★

09-07-2005, 02:30 PM	#3
Holly Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jesusland Posts: 10,017	I've not gotten into this in any of the other threads because I have no desire to argue with anyone about it, but I think Nagin is a complete idiot, and has acted like one before, during and after this whole mess. __________________ War National Damn Champions Eagle

09-07-2005, 02:32 PM	#4
TheSenator Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 13,336	Read the timeline... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...ricane_Katrina Very helpful when contructing an accurate picture of what happen. __________________ ISeekGirls.com since 2005

09-07-2005, 02:32 PM	#5
TheSenator Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 13,336	Here is another timeline. http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/...ina_Chronology Timeline is just a tool based on facts. __________________ ISeekGirls.com since 2005

09-07-2005, 02:37 PM	#6
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	Wall Street Journal has become a partisan rag. Just look at John Fund, the amazing man with no chin and even less ethical sense. The "blame game"? You can play along at home While insisting that now is no time for playing the "blame game," the president's supporters are busy blaming state and local officials for the inadequate response to Hurricane Katrina. They've claimed that Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco didn't declare a state of emergency. She did, on Aug. 26, when the president was still on vacation. And they've claimed that Blanco was slow to ask for federal help. In fact, Blanco wrote a letter to the president on Aug. 28 in which she said that an "effective response" to Katrina's destruction would be "beyond the capabilities of the state and affected local governments" and requested federal help to "save lives" and "protect property." The president was on vacation then, too. But FEMA Director Michael Brown wasn't, and he got right to work. More or less. Internal FEMA documents show that Brown waited five hours after Katrina struck land on Aug. 29 before he asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff to send 1,000 department employees to the Gulf Coast. And even then, he suggested that Homeland Security employees should have a couple of days to get themselves in place. Once in place, the Homeland Security employees would, among other things, "convey a positive image" of the government's response to the hurricane, Brown told Chertoff.

09-07-2005, 02:38 PM	#7
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	Is it time yet? The president and his press secretary have suggested over the last few days that anyone who questions the federal government's response to Hurricane Katrina is engaged in the "blame game," and that "now is not a time for politics." We thought that sounded just a little familiar when we heard it, and now we know why. In the presidency of George W. Bush, it turns out, it's pretty much never a "time for politics." "Now is not the time for politics," the president declared on Feb. 14, 2001, just two months after the Supreme Court decided Bush v. Gore and put him in the White House. Later that same month, the president said, "There's a time for politics, and that ended a while ago." On March 22, 2001, the president explained: "See, there's a time for politics, and there's a time for policy. And the way I view it is, once you get sworn in, that the politics is over." In the aftermath of 9/11, the president said, "Now is not the time for politics." When the president was pushing one round of his tax cuts in December 2001, he declared: "Now is not the time for partisan politics." When reporters asked in January 2002 whether Enron might have benefited from the president's energy policies, White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said that others could "pursue politics" and "play the blame game," but the White House wouldn't. When Bush's treasury secretary discussed the struggling economy in April 2003, he said, "Now is not the time for partisan politics." When a reporter asked Bush about his plans for Iraq in December 2003, the president said: "There's going to be plenty of time for politics. And people can debate all they want. I'm going to do my job." When another reporter asked Bush about charges that he had advance warning of 9/11, he said: "There's time for politics. There's time for politics, and I -- it's an absurd insinuation."

09-07-2005, 03:57 PM	#9
spunkmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,052	The Mayor refused to use the school buses to evacuate the old and poor out of thecity ! Blanco refused to allow Red Cross and FEMA to bring food and water to Stadium !!! Blanco refused to give authority for FEMA to take over the operation until 5 days after they were under water ! Blanco refused to activate the National Guard ! The state has been given several billions $$$ to fix the levies and spent the money on other things ! Finally, it's all Bush's fault ! __________________

09-07-2005, 04:01 PM	#10
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	the spin starts isnt it funny .