Any suggestions out there? Need a little self protection. =)
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for home protection a shot gun is best ,just point in a general direction and fire. With a pistol you can miss at point blank range. -
Yeah I want a shotgun for home protection but I don't know what guage, size or brand etc. Just looking for suggestions.Originally posted by tony404Comment
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My buddy has a really nice 12 gauge with double pistol grips and 19" barrel ... 18 is legal but 19 is just safer .... if you ever have any issues ..they won't go through the whole measuring to see if it is or not ... we load it with 50cal slugs and blast the shit out of things when we go camping .... and makes for good home security if you can't have a pistol ... there's something about hearing one of those things rack that will scare off anyone ...
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anything by benelli my favorite is the m2 with the satandard stock
http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/defense.tpl
the m4 is pretty pimp to thoughComment
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Yeah too young for a pistol hahaha. But I got to love my state, no permits or registrations or even age restrictions for shotguns and rifles in this state. Only thing we have you have to be 21 to own a handgun and a permit to carry it. Ill look into that barrel size. Any brand suggestions?Originally posted by MikeVegaMy buddy has a really nice 12 gauge with double pistol grips and 19" barrel ... 18 is legal but 19 is just safer .... if you ever have any issues ..they won't go through the whole measuring to see if it is or not ... we load it with 50cal slugs and blast the shit out of things when we go camping .... and makes for good home security if you can't have a pistol ... there's something about hearing one of those things rack that will scare off anyone ...Comment
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Originally posted by xanx
Schweet, thanks.Comment
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looks like this one .... it's a Mosburg 12gageOriginally posted by infecto
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the one shotgun says this
"When the lights go out you'll have the advantage with these ghost-ring tritium inserts. Optional three-dot inserts can be easily installed into this military spec ghost-ring sight. The rear sight is click-adjustable for both windage and elevation with a coin or shot shell rim. These sights are intended for rough service with rugged ?wings? to protect the removable ghost ring and front post."
Is that like mini night vision or something?Comment
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That's true, but shotguns are a lot harder to fire (for girls). I have a pistol and it's convenient to carry around and easy to handle. I weigh about 110 lbs and I have fired my dad's shotguns and literally ended up sitting on my ass, lol.Originally posted by tony404
Also, I can't wait for Franck to see this thread.
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Very nice man.Originally posted by MikeVegalooks like this one .... it's a Mosburg 12gage
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It's simple old school ... and the double pistol grip really helps with the kick ... I love it ...Originally posted by infecto
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i suggest u move to another neighbourhoodComment
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There are burglars and people who want to fuck you up in general everywhere.Originally posted by wildComment
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Yeah man I am liking that. Something simple that will get the job done.Originally posted by MikeVegaComment
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Get a remington 870 express, good durable 12 guage shotgun, then get triple ot buck shot for it with 3 inch magnum loads, it will distroy anything in its path, it's like shooting 9 .38 caliber rounds at once~ I use a pistol for home protectio, S&W 40 semi auto, very nice pistolCarbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about thatComment
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Willing to share your undies AND you like guns? Will you marry me?Originally posted by HollyThat's true, but shotguns are a lot harder to fire (for girls). I have a pistol and it's convenient to carry around and easy to handle. I weigh about 110 lbs and I have fired my dad's shotguns and literally ended up sitting on my ass, lol.
Also, I can't wait for Franck to see this thread.
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The dots glow in the dark. You align the glowing dot on the end sight between the two dots on the front sight. Basically, it just lets you use the sights at night.Originally posted by Pipecrew.Comment
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Why do you need a gun being so young? Pistols are not good, had a boss captain special forces three tours in nam. He said home envasion people are scared ,nervous and can miss very close with a pistol. When I first moved to atlanta there was a asian gang thing at a chinese restaurant.A gang member walked up to a table and unloaded his whole gun and all he did was shoot one guy in the arm.Last edited by tony286; 09-05-2005, 09:15 PM.Comment
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Yes!Originally posted by WarChildWilling to share your undies AND you like guns? Will you marry me?
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Nice, i'd probably just wait till i heard any kind of noise at night and pointed it in that direction.Originally posted by WarChild
Hopefully its not a roommate or girlfriend coming back from the bathroom haha.Comment
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Originally posted by infecto
a 12 gauge manual pump action shotgun is best for home protection.
the reason is you will rarely need to shoot it---just pump a shell into the chamber and your intruder will hear it and quickly leave.
2nd choice would be a double barrell 12 gauge, but this only allows 2 shots.
but do some practice shooting first so you get the feel of it.Comment
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"There are burglars and people who want to fuck you up in general everywhere."
Try moving to Canada, we hardly need to lock our doors. Nobody I know owns a gun or even thinks of owning one...skype: lordofthecameltoeComment
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just had a break in here over the long weekend. Busted the door but they didn't stay long, emptied 1 drawer and then bailed it looks like. I'm looking into taking target practice and getting all my permits necessary to own a handgun but they are pretty strict here. In Quebec I need to take 2 courses just to go to a firing range and take lessons.Comment
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Mossberg 590, parkerized finish, ventilated rib guard, and speedfeed stock.
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I second the remington 870. I love that shotgun.
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wtf?
i have never seen a bayonet on a shotgunComment
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Sexy!Originally posted by HollyThat's true, but shotguns are a lot harder to fire (for girls). I have a pistol and it's convenient to carry around and easy to handle. I weigh about 110 lbs and I have fired my dad's shotguns and literally ended up sitting on my ass, lol.
Also, I can't wait for Franck to see this thread.
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Gang members never know how to shoot. Just look at all the drive bys with 40 shots fired and one injury.Originally posted by tony404
As for shotguns, a 12 guage anything with buckshot will be just fine. Just don't get slugs if you've never had a gun because you'll miss and get beat down.Comment
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Originally posted by Red Ezra
Would you believe that I have?
OH yeah, it also has a beyonet lug and 20" barrel. 8 in the tube, one in the pipe, and four in the stock.Comment
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are you sure thats a mossberg? looks excatly like my armscor minus the pistol grip that I have.... and I thought armscor was the only ones doing speedfeed in the stock... mind is the same as that only with a pistol grip and it's a armscor let me see if I can find itOriginally posted by AaronMMossberg 590, parkerized finish, ventilated rib guard, and speedfeed stock.
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Originally posted by Dirty_DS
I've had that thing for about 10 years now. Pretty sure I know WTF it is.Comment
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I've got the Beretta 1200 FP Police Model
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One in six parents say they know a child who accidentally shot himself or herself with a gun [Harvard School of Public Health].
Suicide is nearly 5 times more likely to occur in a household with a gun than in a household without a gun. [Kellerman, A.L. et al., N Engl J Med 327, 1993.]
In 1996, 2 people were murdered by handguns in New Zealand, 15 in Japan, 106 in Canada, 213 in Germany, and 9,390 in the United States. [FBI Uniform Crime Report]
Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 43 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than to kill in self-defense. [ Kellermann and Reay, N.E. Journal of Medicine]Comment
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Originally posted by Franck
False statistics..... Anyway, if your method of home defense is to make a stand from your bedroom or something then nothing beats a shotgun. The myth that a shotgun pattern spreads so that you can hit something easier is true, but not at distances so close as to what you would encounter in your home. It doesnt have enough room to spread well. If you are going to attempt to "clear" your house to see if there is any intruder, then you do not want a shotgun. the confines of your home make the shotgun impractical for clearing a house, and easier to have your weapon taken away from you.
A pistol works better for "clearing" an area that is somewhat confined space wise. If you are going to clear your house, then you must be aware of weapon retention. Its much easier to take a shotgun away from someone than a pistol. Head the advise of those who posted previously about ghostring sites and tritium inserts. You WILL need them in a dark environment. Make sure the barrel of your shotgun is 18 and 1/2 inches long, not just 18. Not trying to pick a fight with dice about it, but it has to be 18 and 1/2 inches.
Also know that a gas operated shotgun has less recoil than a pump shotgun, due to the fact that the recoil system on a gas operated gun uses the gas to cycle the next round.
As far as shotgun choices. there are many good brands out there. Mossberg, Reminton, Winchester, Benelli, Beretta, Franchi, are all some great makers of skatterguns. Also make sure that if you go with a pump action gun that you get one with dual slides
Finally, too many people think that as long as they have a gun, then they are safe. Make sure you train with the damn thing on a regular basis. Find a combat firearm training facility in your area. If you are going to own a gun, then it is your responsibility to know how to use it, and when to use it. I have been to a few various training centers. I THOUGHT I knew about using guns. I learned alot from these guys. The tactics they teach are the same things they teach to swat teams and military factions. The reason is because they guys who teach these courses are also teaching the swat teams.
I suggest Thunder Ranch, T.D.I., or Gunsite, I have been to all three. The info they teach puts you so far ahead of other people that it really makes for an unfair fight when it comes to "clearing leather".Comment
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True, Berettas are great. As to your initial thread question about "what shotgun will do descent damage on humans", all of them will. A 20 guage will kill just as fast as a 12 guage will. Dont let someone pressure you into buying what THEY want you to have. too many people make the mistake of buying the biggest gun they can. A gun that is intimidating to you, or that has too much recoil for you, will be useless. If you cant control the weapon, then you cant do fast follow up shots. Statistically, follow up shots are what ends an agressors actions toward you. Very few people get shot once and stop thier attack on you................. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, GET EDUCATED ON THE USE AND EFFECTS OF LETHAL FORCE..... there is no such thing as a "magic bullet".Originally posted by Jesus H ChristBest advice here. You can't get a better scattergun for your home. If you are worried about the kick get a 20g.
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i have a 12 guage mossberg pump with no plug. seems it would be rather handy in a time of danger.
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I can't wait for Franck to see this thread [Holly, GFY Webmaster Board, September 06, 2005, 12:17 AM CST]Originally posted by FranckWar National Damn Champions EagleComment
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Stop fucking around!!! You want home clearance!?!
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wow.. doesnt sound that ideal considering the amount of inbred faces who can own a gun.... "get off ma turf boyyy"!Originally posted by infecto
On the other hand, i always liked (shot)guns.. i guess everybody likes em... but those (lack of) laws are very fucked up if u ask me...Comment
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well, yeah, it's nice...not veeeeery niceOriginally posted by infectoI'm just a newbie.Comment
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great point Franck ! I'd second thatOriginally posted by Franck
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For good and cheap just get a Winchester Defender.ICQ: 91139591Comment
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Ya right where the hell do you live in canadaOriginally posted by NoWhErE
I live in the murder capitol of canada winnipeg in the core area,
and can tell you we lock our god damn doors even when we are home.
I wish I could own a hand gun
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Nice to see how well you proved him wrongOriginally posted by MikeyFingaz
Besides, all that you said about shotguns was incorrect....Comment
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If you're living in a residential area, shotguns (with buckshot) are much safer for your neighbors than a pistol. There's much less chance of stray projectiles going through walls & doing any significant damage. The shot is so light it loses most of it's momentum by the time it passes through a wall where as a bullet would be far more dangerous. Not to say that a stray shot can't do damage, just that it's less likely to do so.Comment
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ok, explain. If you know about guns and tactics then you also know that it is a debate that can go on and on and that there are many points and counter points that both hold water. I dont claim to know everything. but i do know alot. if ya got some info that is usefull then I am glad to hear it......." as soon as you think you know so much that there is nothing else to learn, then you are a fool" somebody smart said something like that once I think ;)Originally posted by GunniNice to see how well you proved him wrong
Besides, all that you said about shotguns was incorrect....Comment
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fact1: semi autos recoil less than pump guns
fact2: shotgun spread will not matter more than a couple inches in an area no bigger than 15 feet. "which is usually the size of a large room.
fact3: the more you are confined in an area, the smaller your weapon should be so that you may manuever and retain weapon easier.
fact4: read previous thread someone posted about gun. dont fucking asked who started the thread or thread title, I dont fuckin know. I'm too lazy and too busy to type the whole thing over again. Basically the Kellerman stat about "43 more times likely" was expanded upon by kellerman himself later.Comment
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