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MediumPimpin 09-05-2005 12:45 PM

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/08/...ness/lexus.php

Made in Japan - but will Lexus sell there?
By Martin Fackler The New York Times

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 31, 2005


TOKYO A network of 143 plush new dealerships, gleaming with marble floors and Italian sofas, is ready for business. An army of 2,000 salesmen, mechanics and managers has completed training on how to pamper demanding clients.

Three car models have been redesigned with roomier interiors, brawnier motors and advanced sound and navigation systems. All the preparations were aimed at Tuesday, when Toyota Motor introduced its Lexus brand to a new market: Japan.

It will not need to bring the cars, though - they are already here.

All the models sold in the United States under the Lexus logo have been available in Japan under blander Toyota names. The Toyota versions came with simpler interiors and options and, in some cases, lower prices.

Before it was taken off the market in Japan in December in anticipation of the Lexus introduction, the Lexus GS series of sedans was sold here as the Toyota Aristo. The Lexus IS sedans, which are priced at more than $30,000 - sometimes well above that - in the United States, were sold in Japan as the Toyota Altezza, with a list price around $25,000. The SC430, a two-seat sports car, was called the Toyota Soarer.

Success here will hinge on whether Toyota can create an identity for Lexus and give it the sort of luxury cachet for which consumers are willing to pay a premium. To do this, Toyota must convince Japanese drivers that the cars are more than just Toyotas with new name plates and fatter price tags.

Why it took the company so long to bring Lexus to Japan, a feverishly brand-conscious nation, is a bit of a puzzle. One answer may be that Toyota, the world's most profitable carmaker, has never had trouble selling its cars in this country as Toyotas. Company officials also say the Japanese car market is just now reaching the point where it can sustain a large luxury segment.

"We want to raise the level of our cars," Toyota's president, Katsuaki Watanabe, said last month. "If we make a luxury brand, there will now be a market for it. In this sense, Japan is becoming like the rest of the world."

But delaying Lexus may also have been a mistake, given the success that German producers of luxury cars like Mercedes-Benz and BMW have had here. Toyota, however, is not alone in hanging back from the high-end market. Neither Nissan Motor nor Honda Motor has brought high-end U.S. models to Japan.

Analysts offer another explanation: The Japanese carmakers may have wanted to wait until the luxury brands were established in the United States and other countries before making the huge investment needed to market them in Japan. Toyota has spent more than two years and, by some estimates, almost $2 billion getting ready for this introduction. It refuses to disclose the figures. But despite the resounding success of Lexus in the United States and about 40 other countries, the concept may face its toughest sales job at home.

"Will they displace Mercedes and BMW?" said Kurt Sanger of Macquarie Securities in Tokyo. "The reality is, it may be hard. They're just taking Toyotas and selling them somewhere else."

When Toyota introduced Lexus in the United States 16 years ago, it won over luxury car buyers with sumptuous showrooms, meticulous service and products consistently at the top of quality rankings. So effective were Toyota's efforts to create a distinct identity by using a separate sales network and marketing campaigns that some Americans were unaware that Lexus was made by Toyota, or even that it was Japanese.

Analysts say Lexus will have a much harder time accomplishing that in Japan, where its high-end Toyota models will be sold with their Lexus names, similar options and at about the same prices as in the United States. What is more, the cars have been familiar in Japan as Toyotas, and attentive service is already common in Toyota's Japanese showrooms and those of other carmakers.

Then there is Toyota's enormous presence here - the company dominates Japan's 3.96-million-vehicle market for passenger cars and trucks with a 45 percent share. Analysts say it will be hard for Lexus to set itself apart from such a well-known brand and present itself as something distinct and upper-tier.

One step Toyota has taken to address these problems is a full redesign of the three models that will appear in Lexus showrooms. The IS series will have wider bodies, bigger engines and hard disk drives that can hold maps for the navigation system and 20,000 songs for the sound system. The exterior is to have more aerodynamic styling.

Toyota says it is not trying to challenge Mercedes and BMW, which have dominated Japan's 200,000-vehicle-a-year luxury market. Rather, company officials say, they are looking to position themselves in what they call a gray zone between the German makers and the top of their own current line.

Finding such markets is important for Toyota, whose sales in Japan's saturated market have hit a plateau in the past five years at around 1.75 million a year. Toyota hopes to sell as many as 60,000 Lexuses a year within three years and to eventually raise that to 100,000 a year.

The company says there is an untapped pool of Japanese who want luxury cars but do not feel comfortable buying foreign vehicles. Masanori Suzuki, 28, the president of an aluminum-foil maker in Shizuoka, may be such a customer. Suzuki drives a Toyota Celsior, a high-end sedan sold in the United States as a Lexus GS. Suzuki said he was glad that Lexus was finally coming to Japan. He said that he had wanted to buy a luxury car but that Mercedes and other European brands had gauges, green instrument lights and wood interiors that did not appeal to Japanese tastes.

"My next car will probably be a Lexus," Suzuki said by phone. "But a Lexus is really just a Toyota. There are probably a lot of Japanese who wouldn't want to pay a lot of money for a Toyota."

TOKYO A network of 143 plush new dealerships, gleaming with marble floors and Italian sofas, is ready for business. An army of 2,000 salesmen, mechanics and managers has completed training on how to pamper demanding clients.

Three car models have been redesigned with roomier interiors, brawnier motors and advanced sound and navigation systems. All the preparations were aimed at Tuesday, when Toyota Motor introduced its Lexus brand to a new market: Japan.

It will not need to bring the cars, though - they are already here.

All the models sold in the United States under the Lexus logo have been available in Japan under blander Toyota names. The Toyota versions came with simpler interiors and options and, in some cases, lower prices.

Before it was taken off the market in Japan in December in anticipation of the Lexus introduction, the Lexus GS series of sedans was sold here as the Toyota Aristo. The Lexus IS sedans, which are priced at more than $30,000 - sometimes well above that - in the United States, were sold in Japan as the Toyota Altezza, with a list price around $25,000. The SC430, a two-seat sports car, was called the TOKYO A network of 143 plush new dealerships, gleaming with marble floors and Italian sofas, is ready for business. An army of 2,000 salesmen, mechanics and managers has completed training on how to pamper demanding clients.

Three car models have been redesigned with roomier interiors, brawnier motors and advanced sound and navigation systems. All the preparations were aimed at Tuesday, when Toyota Motor introduced its Lexus brand to a new market: Japan.

It will not need to bring the cars, though - they are already here.

All the models sold in the United States under the Lexus logo have been available in Japan under blander Toyota names. The Toyota versions came with simpler interiors and options and, in some cases, lower prices.

Before it was taken off the market in Japan in December in anticipation of the Lexus introduction, the Lexus GS series of sedans was sold here as the Toyota Aristo. The Lexus IS sedans, which are priced at more than $30,000 - sometimes well above that - in the United States, were sold in Japan as the Toyota Altezza, with a list price around $25,000. The SC430, a two-seat sports car, was called the Toyota Soarer.

zzgundamnzz 09-05-2005 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MediumPimpin
From a drivers stand point you cannot compare a Toyota to any German car, you just can't.

If you like the bells and whistles that Toyota adds to their Lexus line then they may be for you.

But the Lexus are built at the Toyota plant, with Toyota's parts and with Toyota's employees.

You have to hand it to Toyota their marketing is pure genius, charge double for a Lexus brand and the Americans will line up and buy them.

The same could be said about Mercedes unless you live in germany that is. The cars in the US are built in the Chrysler plants by Chrysler employees ;)

chodadog 09-05-2005 01:11 PM

You're curious about why Mercedes hasn't killed them yet? Lexus has the biggest share of the luxury market in the US. They sell more cars than BMW or Mercedes or Cadillac.

J$tyle$ 09-05-2005 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chodadog
You're curious about why Mercedes hasn't killed them yet? Lexus has the biggest share of the luxury market in the US. They sell more cars than BMW or Mercedes or Cadillac.

WORD UP! Because of value, serice, driving, and comfort!

Let the haters hate, meanwhile I'll be driving my overrated Toyota INSTEAD of the overrated and overpriced Chrysler :winkwink:

:2 cents:

phonesex 09-05-2005 01:37 PM

Fuck all you Lexus haters! I've had 3 Mercedes including 2 E classes and 1 S class and I love my lexus.

Alex 09-05-2005 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVega
it's not the same thing ... Lexus is built by them but is a better quality product .. better leather and better features ... I thought the same thing when my wife needed a car .. i looked at the Accord and i looked at the Acura .. I ended up buying a TL S type because it had more of what i was looking for .. all standard ... By the time i added all the features to the Honda i was looking at the same price with less horse power and less style ... i love the TL ...I drive it a lot

I did the same comparing too. For the 40k you are saving you can have the options added to be exactly the same. In the end you are just paying the extra for name.

But if you can afford the extra money, by all means go for the lexus.

wildgirl 09-05-2005 01:50 PM

wow! very nice car...cool ride :thumbsup

ShaneRyale 09-05-2005 02:18 PM

I have both the LX and the RX and I LOVE them both. Great cars and great service. My next car will not be a Lexus only because I don't like the new body style as much as some of the other models out now. But I have been 110% happy with both of mine.

J$tyle$ 09-05-2005 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex
I did the same comparing too. For the 40k you are saving you can have the options added to be exactly the same. In the end you are just paying the extra for name.

But if you can afford the extra money, by all means go for the lexus.

LOL

ahahahahhahaha

That's just absurd ...

So, you're saying buy a based price CAMRY and add ALL the LS430's interior appointments, Mark Levinson sound system, engine, etc?

NOT THE SAME RIDE ... NOT THE SAME HANDLING ... waste of time and money!

The notion of doing so is absolutely rediculous, Alex .... really, it is.

BTW - That's not an insult to you, but a rational observation about what you're saying.

:2 cents:

MrJackMeHoff 09-05-2005 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chodadog
You're curious about why Mercedes hasn't killed them yet? Lexus has the biggest share of the luxury market in the US. They sell more cars than BMW or Mercedes or Cadillac.


Lexus is cheaper and is more likely to give loans to consumers that real luxury brands would not.. The only reason it could outsell.

woj 09-05-2005 02:30 PM

50.,...... :glugglug

Trax 09-05-2005 02:34 PM

i knew this would make two pages lol

J$tyle$ 09-05-2005 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trax
i knew this would make two pages lol

What do YOU drive btw?


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