detoxed

I hear in many different articles that certain things have not been done by the feds "because no governors have requested it". Well New Orleans is where all the big problems are, fires, people, etc. and apparently she isnt requesting the help thats needed to take care of whats going on?


Emeregency fire and rescue equipment placed around the country for use in catastrophes has not been called in because no one asked for it.

loverboy

http://www.poynterextra.org/Katrina/gallery/index.htm

sad pictures of NOLA, just wanna share them

spunkmaster

Why didn't the Mayor use those 250 school buses to take the poor people out before the storm hit?

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Dagwolf

There was a hurricane. What should the governor do, track down and request each and every fire truck and rescue worker by name?

I think it's a federal responsibility to see that federal resources go where they're needed.

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Dagwolf

The governor's responsibility would be to keep the feds informed of the need.


Governor: There's are 200 people stranded on west main
Fed:....
(2 days later)
Governor: Why didn't those people get picked up yet?
Fed: You didn't ask!

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chaze

yes, 99%

They should of prepared for a disaster better, if they where this vulnerable it should of been addresses and a pryor plan made for this situation.

A city with no drain, cmon how stupid can the government for that state be.

Retards.

Ninja Scripts

No it is not her fault. They are trying to cover their asses.

Ninja Scripts

Bush declared all 3 states a federal disaster BEFORE the storms hit so they could act quickly. You decide.

bjjb

Blame Katinna and stop fucking blaming people. Goddammit, donate some money instead of this stupid blame game shit.

Ninja Scripts

The governor was on TV crying a few days ago because the help she asked for wasn't there. They are full of shite.

Ninja Scripts

You have 2 days to evacuate 1.2 million people. Ok GO!

Tam

EXACTLY, I have seen that woman so many times begging in tears for help, so to even CONSIDER blaming her is the single most insane thing I think I have seen. You can see in her face that she has been up for days and she's visibly distraught by it all. And what are they doing? Sitting in their cush dwelling pointing fingers at everyone they can, including the victims. Why didn't they leave. WELL FUCK ME, 90% of them probably couldn't afford it or had nowhere to fucking go.


Sorry, I am shitty about that blaming the victims and that Governor.

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The feds were ready for this storm since Friday or Saturday. They tried to play off the rioting excuse for a little while but they aren't taking care of MS or AL either. Who knows what in the hell is going on with them but they really blew it with this shit. If 10,000 or more people are dead it's going to be damn hard for them to live this one down.

detoxed

Dont think Mayor has authorities like that? The problem wasnt before the storm hit... the problems were the reactions after the storm hit.

detoxed

No you idiot. The government has to request certain federal help before the feds can help on certain things, by law.

detoxed

Well then why do all the news sources have articles or stories saying that she hasnt requested the basic things, she hasnt declared martial law, like the New Orleans mayor requested, she hasnt done MUCH Of anything.

After Shock Media

I just love the spin this has started to take.
I know the state must ask for federal help otherwise the federal government can not send in troops. I also know that the govenor asked for like 40,000 troups at the very start so lets place that aside.
I thought we had FEMA for a reason, and I also always thought that it had the word managment in its name for a reason.
This whole bullshit about not asking for help just sickens me. The governor asked for troops and said to send them in. I am pretty sure the federal government was aware there was a horrific disaster going on. Did all the other govenors who have had giant disasters go through this and fill out some form packet in triplicate with the correct color coded cover sheet to get help?
This is akin to my house being on fire with people trapped inside.
Me: Help my house is on fire and people are still inside.
911: Thanks, it has been noted.
10 minutes latter.
Me: There is no fire trucks please send help.
911: Sorry you did not ask for fire trucks before, what is your address?
Me: 555 some street, some town.
911: Fire trucks are on the way.
5 minutes latter:
Me: The fire trucks are not doing anything.
911: Sorry sir, we dispatched them and they are outside your address waiting for orders, according to our records you have not asked them to do anything yet.
10 more minutes latter.
Me: There are people hurt and burnt badly, the firemen are not helping them.
911: You asked them to put out the fire sir, you did not request an ambulance nor medical attention.
Me: But the firemen are not putting out the fire yet either, they do not have any water.
911: Im sorry sir but according to our records you only asked for firetrucks, you made no mention of them bringing water.

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Tam

You know? At this point I don't think it is going to matter, they have fucked up and people are NOT going to forget this.... especially those victims in those states. It is all so damn sad. If I had the means to do so, I'd be bringing as many as I could of them up here with me. This is just insane watching those people struggle like this and not even be able to depend on their own government to help them when they need it.

I think I have been watching and listening to this WAY too much. Yikes!!

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They were told by the feds the same line of b/s you asked about in your first post. If you really think she's twiddling her thumbs and not doing something as simple as asking for help they have accomplished what they wanted. She was crying DAYS ago about not getting the help she requested. If she was already crying about it when do you think she asked?

Also, FEDERAL AGENCIES were set up in locations so they could move in as soon as the storm passed. Do you really think they are going to sit there and watch people die because someone didn't say please come in?

This is all a big blame game now, of course the lower officials will take the heat. This was completely fucked on multiple levels.

Tam

I WATCHED her on TV with my own eyes screaming for help. She was on the Today Show, CNN, and lord only knows what else.... she WAS and has been begging for help. Right off the bat she started telling them she needed like 40k troops and all this shit. I wouldn't even be discussing this with you but I seen it with my own eyes, and I know if I did, then everyone else on the planet did. lol

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baddog

It would probably help if you had any idea of how things work around here. States have rights, and the feds can not step in until requested.

Heywood Jablome

The city and state should have had effective evacuation plans ready.

The city should have had their shelters stocked with supplies for those they knew wouldn't/couldn't evacuate.

Because they blew it, the Federal responders had to change their plans from rescuing dying people to flying in supplies to the shelters and keep law and order in the community. Thousands of people have died because of the city's lack of basic preparation.

The fact is that the governor is a democrat, if she were a republican you can be sure the finger pointing would have started the very first day of this disaster. I saw an op-ed piece where Robert Kennedy Jr was blaming the hurricane directly on MS Governor Haley Barbour, and I'm sure everyone has seen the Bush bashing going on.

chaze

I mean more then that, create a channel to drain the water.

I lived in Napa for about 19 years and it would flood every 5 or so. I meant the idiots never create a channel for the river and it probably still floods now.

It's the governments responsibility to have city's be at least to a minimum of function ability.

It discusses me that we can spend 120 billion of military jets but not 20 million on a getter for a city that needs it.

I mean why have the jets if we are going to let the people die that we are trying to protect.

baddog

Yeah, they become eligible for assistance at that point. The state still has to ask for assistance at that point.

Blame the Democrats.

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tf9901

the governer is to blame and the chief of police for not being prepared in any way.

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baddog

I would have to look it up, but I am pretty sure crying on tv is not the proper protocol.

Ninja Scripts

It was requested, multiple times, by multiple people, days ago. I suppose you'd rather have us think that not one but three state governors who are facing a huge disaster failed to make a simple request for help? George Bush in his little photo op in MS was the first federal agent those people had seen during the entire ordeal. The governor should have kicked him in the nuts.

baddog

hmmm, two other states got hit and they are not having the same trouble. Why do you think that is?

Nismo

But im sure Bush's protocol was totally in order.

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baddog

As stated above, blame the Democrats for trying to be p.c.

They fucked up and now the people are paying for it.

chaze

Hey that's a g-minor cord.

Used for dark music connection, hmmmm

baddog

ummm, dig a channel for a place that is below sea level to drain the water where?

They have dikes, they broke . . . . now what?

aico

Are you fucking serious?

aico

Not only did she ask for help repeatedly. They have been asking for help for the last 10 fucking years, saying that they needed funding to make the levies strong enough, and were denied funding everytime... I bet that would have been a lot cheaper than what it's gonna cost us now.

Memo: Terrorists will fly planes into our buildings
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Memo: We need money to build strong levies to resist cat. 5 hurricanes.
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Ninja Scripts

You are completely ridiculous at times. You really think help wasn't requested long ago?

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I'm really hoping not but you never know on GFY.

jimmyf

yep his fault and the governor's.... more so than Bush's

the Mayor and governor had NO plan what so ever.... NONE

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Heywood Jablome

Memo: Congress WAS helping fund the levees. They already authorized half of the total requested amount.

It's funny you mention the levies. Do you realize that that first breached levy was actually in the process of being upgraded? Maybe if Clinton would have paid for the levies, they would have been done by now.

chaze

I guess dig a hole, make a lake, create a 20 million dollar pump, create better dikes, not sure really.

My point isn't just the Governor fucked up it's the we do not as country spend enough to keep the city's that need extra help up to standard.

Even if the Governor put everything into getting this done it's not likely it would of been approved but I still blame here for not trying. I mean it's her job to put pressure on the presidential government, that how things get done.

Letters are crap too, if she really wanted results then go to Washington and raise hell until it's done.

Our whole political system is not near where it should be in my opinion with the safety of our country.

jimmyf

it's a know fact that NO and the whole state of LA is the most corrupt in the country and has been for years and years...

goes back to before Long's time

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WHAT KIND OF GOVERNOR CRIES AND SCREAMS FOR HELP?????? WTF! Dont sit on camera crying, go get shit done! There are formal processes that are required by federal law. She has to request the use of the strategic firetrucks and rescue equipment set aside for catastrophes. The Feds say she has not. The mayor asked her to declare martial law, she can do that, he cant. She has not. They cant just bring it out. Its not possible. she has to ask for it, and the request goes from there.

jimmyf

you sir are correct

and most of the blame, you can put on the City and state.

those asswipe are trying 2 cover there ass now.

and the mayor with that rant the other day was cover ass.

corrupt asswipes

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Exactly. Heres more:

I'm not talking about the basics thats already being worked on.

I'm talking about the fires that are unfightable at the moment. There are specific equipment set aside in 9 locations throughout the US for catastrophies. She has not requested that this be opened up and brought down there. My thoughts? This woman cant handle being a governor during an emergency, too emotional, crying on TV, fuck that, get out there and fix it.

aico

You're an idiot, Bush took away 50 million in funding from them... might want to do some research before you make shit up. Or get a job a Fox News.

detoxed

Also amazing how much more classy the people of Mississippi (my state ) are acting

Jackson, Miss. - Mississippi hurricane survivors looked around Saturday and wondered just how long it would take to get food, clean water and shelter. And they were more than angry at the federal government and the national news media.

Richard Gibbs was disgusted by reports of looting in New Orleans and upset at the lack of attention hurricane victims in his state were getting.

"I say burn the bridges and let 'em all rot there," he said. "We're suffering over here too, but we're not killing each other. We've got to help each other. We need gas and food and water and medical supplies."

Gibbs and his wife, Holly, have been stuck at their flooded home in Gulfport just off the Biloxi River. Water comes up to the second floor, they are out of gasoline, and food supplies are running perilously low.

Until recently, they also had Holly's 75-year-old father, who has a pacemaker and severe diabetes, with them. Finally they got an ambulance to take him to the airport so he could be airlifted to Lafayette, La., for medical help.

In poverty-stricken north Gulfport, Grover Chapman was angry at the lack of aid.

"Something should've been on this corner three days ago," Chapman, 60, said Saturday as he whipped up dinner for his neighbors.

He used wood from his demolished produce stand to cook fish, rabbit, okra and butter beans he'd been keeping in his freezer. Although many houses here, about five miles inland, are still standing, they are severely damaged. Corrugated tin roofs lie scattered on the ground.

"I'm just doing what I can do," Chapman said. "These people support me with my produce stand every day. Now it's time to pay them back."

One neighbor, 78-year-old Georgia Smylie, knew little about what's happening elsewhere. She was too worried about her own situation.

"My medicine is running out. I need high blood pressure medicine, medicine for my heart," she said.

Larry Sabato, a University of Virginia political scientist, said he's been watching hours of Katrina coverage every day and most of the national media attention has focused on the devastation and looting in New Orleans.

"Mississippi needs more coverage," Sabato said. "Until people see it on TV, they don't think it's real."

Along the battered Mississippi Gulf Coast, crews started searching boats for corpses on Saturday. Several shrimpers are believed to have died as they tried to ride out the storm aboard their boats on the Intracoastal Waterway.

President Bush toured ravaged areas of the Mississippi coast on Friday with Gov. Haley Barbour and other state officials. They also flew over flooded New Orleans.

"I'm going to tell you, Mississippi got hit much harder than they did, but what happened in the aftermath ? it makes your stomach hurt to go miles and miles and miles and the houses are all under water up to the roof," Barbour said.

Keisha Moran has been living in a tent in a department store parking lot in Bay St. Louis with her boyfriend and three young children since the hurricane struck. She said National Guardsmen have brought her water but no other aid so far, and she was furious that it took Bush several days before he came to see the damage in Mississippi.

"It's how many days later? How many people are dead?" Moran said.

Mississippi's death toll from Hurricane Katrina stood at 144 on Saturday, according to confirmed reports from coroners and the Mississippi Emergency Management Agency. Barbour had said Friday the total was 147, but he didn't provide a county-by-county breakdown.

In a strongly worded editorial, The Sun Herald of Biloxi-Gulfport pleaded for help and questioned why a massive National Guard presence wasn't already visible.

"We understand that New Orleans also was devastated by Hurricane Katrina, but surely this nation has the resources to rescue both that metropolitan (area) and ours," the newspaper editorialized, saying survival basics like ice, gasoline and medicine have been too slow to arrive.

"We are not calling on the nation and the state to make life more comfortable in South Mississippi, we are calling on the nation and the state to make life here possible," the paper wrote.

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Louisiana doesn't fucking have Martial Law. You are right, she just sits around waiting to get on TV and cry. She hasn't asked for shit, she's just an incompetant idiot. Oh, and not anyone on her staff said hey, you need to do this. You are right, she's lying, Bush and the Feds did nothing wrong.

Happy yet?

detoxed

Nothing to do with this. The city is flooded because of a hurricane. The people are having so much trouble because the "leaders" of the people IE mayor and governor are complete morons incapable of taking any leadership position during this tough time.

chaze

Def, and probably most other states besides Cali would have the same issue.

Everything is fine until things heat up.

Thats what we get voting for popularity and image instead of character.

detoxed

Anyone on her staff said hey you need to do this? What does that mean? Telling the feds what is needed and what to do doesnt mean they are DOING A GOD DAMNED THING! I can sit here and call the feds and tell them what they need in Louisiana but that isnt exactly going to help them get it done will it?

She is lying about what? I never said she LIED about anything at all, you are a fucking idiot and are not capable of having an intelligent argument about this topic. Anyone else care to finish what this person started?