Ok, so why did they evacuate AFTER the hurricane?

[DarkJedi]

wouldn't it be prudent to evacuate before the hurricane?

[CDSmith]

Somebody had to ask this question. May as well be you.

Was wondering the same thing yesterday and today..... why do people stay at home when a hurricane of that size is coming? I don't get the thinking. Then later they find themselves starving with nothing, huddling with thousands of others in the local arena or stadium which quickly turns into a giant backed-up toilet.

Why not just lock up and head out of town before the shit hits the fan?

People think "oh it won't be that bad"... "I can handle it".... "We'll be fine".... "We've handled hurricanes before"... etc. I'm thinking it would be better to leave for a week or two, head away from the storm, find a Holiday Inn or a Motel 6 or a Hyatt or stay with relatives, and not starve.

[wjxxx]

niggers stayed cause they knew there will be free stuff to take

[2257-Ben]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

wouldn't it be prudent to evacuate before the hurricane?

Because New Orleans was a relatively poor city. Most people working at minimum wage and many didn't have cars so they could evacuate. Others were old or infirm and couldn't get out on their own power. And then there's the element of stupidity that dictates survival of the fittest. Just as weak or sick animals in herds die or get killed off, weak or stupid human beings will also succumb to the basic laws of nature.

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

Because New Orleans was a relatively poor city. Most people working at minimum wage and many didn't have cars so they could evacuate. Others were old or infirm and couldn't get out on their own power. And then there's the element of stupidity that dictates survival of the fittest. Just as weak or sick animals in herds die or get killed off, weak or stupid human beings will also succumb to the basic laws of nature.

evacuation was mandatory.

did the ones who stayed get arrested? if not, they should be arrested now

[CherryLipsRosa]

Good point and everyone knew at least 3 days in advance. I guess sometimes you think that it is not going to affect you, these things happen to everyone but not you!

[Fresh]

Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

Because New Orleans was a relatively poor city. Most people working at minimum wage and many didn't have cars so they could evacuate. Others were old or infirm and couldn't get out on their own power. And then there's the element of stupidity that dictates survival of the fittest. Just as weak or sick animals in herds die or get killed off, weak or stupid human beings will also succumb to the basic laws of nature.

thats one hell of an explination

[Theo The Theologian]

Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

Because New Orleans was a relatively poor city. Most people working at minimum wage and many didn't have cars so they could evacuate. Others were old or infirm and couldn't get out on their own power. And then there's the element of stupidity that dictates survival of the fittest. Just as weak or sick animals in herds die or get killed off, weak or stupid human beings will also succumb to the basic laws of nature.

Praise you Brother Benji, but they are busing them out now. I would have thought it a better idea to get them out before.

On a side note does anyone else like fruit loops as much as me? Damn tasty breakfast cereal. Almost sinful.

[jade_dragon]

the reason is because each year there is an average of 10 hurricanes that come throught he gulf, there are far more tropical storms ( storms that become hurricanes when conditions are right ) This happens during our "season" which is mid summer to early fall, meaning we are still in the most active part of the season and there WILL be more storms coming soon. You see storms come in one after another every year, sometimes they come close, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they disapate in the atlantic ( as the storm following katrina did) sometimes they form and they go to Florida, they go to Georgia, they go to Mississippi, they rarely hit New Orleans with any power, usually our coast gets battered where the poor whites live. It has been 40 years since Betsy hit New Orleans, before that it was Chamele and those storms were very small when compared to this.

the point is storms hardly ever hit the city and when they do they are very weak by the time they get into the city and you just get flooding, the same as we see all the time. People are so used to seeing them come in and do that amount of damage or them completely disapate or turn at the last minuit that they got into a mind set of "just another storm" This is actually the first time in history there was a mandatory evacuation. So people rode it out because they did not have money to leave in the case of poor people or because "its just another storm" in the case of people whos famalies have been here for decades. It would be amazingly costly to evac everytime a storm came intot he gulf, you will see how expensive it is when new orleans is not up and running because of a storm very soon, 1 million barrels a day come out of here, no more and that is going to cost.

The reason people are evacuating now is because there is no power, no food, no sewage, the water source is polluted, the dead are pilling up, there are now gators and some say sharks in the deeper waters feeding, it is going to rain saturday, there are more storms coming and most importantly because the levees are broken and the lake is filling up the bowl, just because the storm is over does not mean everything is ok and being fixed now.

[MandyBlake]

i keep thinking about the people who couldn't afford to evacuate and had no other place to go.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

Because New Orleans was a relatively poor city. Most people working at minimum wage and many didn't have cars so they could evacuate. Others were old or infirm and couldn't get out on their own power. And then there's the element of stupidity that dictates survival of the fittest. Just as weak or sick animals in herds die or get killed off, weak or stupid human beings will also succumb to the basic laws of nature.

Exactly... there's always a before and after evactuation. Those who can get out on their own... and those who were incapable.

[SleazeQueen]

Apparently nobody here has ever been dirt poor like so many of the people in the area. 2257-Ben is totally on the money! Look at the people who are still there. No Prada carrying soccer moms in Lexus SUVs, it's the poor, the old and the infirm.

If the city thought is was so important to evacuate everyone, why weren't they medivac-ing people out of the hospitals? If it was so important to evac everyone, why didn't they have busses at the Superdome to take people to Houston BEFORE the storm? If it was so important to evacuate these people, where was the government infrastructure to get them out? Not everyone has a car. Not everyone can walk 2-20 miles to the Superdome to get to help. Not everyone has a perfectly healthy family and a fully loaded SUV to get out of town. Not everyone can afford a tank of gas to sit in traffic on the highway.

What *I* want to know is where is Homeland Security? We have allocated millions if not billions of dollars to a new goverment organization that is supposed to be a first reponsider to major disasters. THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOR, HLS!!! Why is nobody responding? I'm in Washington and I could have gotten there faster with a truck load of bottled water than the government has.

Sad.

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by wjxxx

niggers stayed cause they knew there will be free stuff to take

They had a plan. And they stuck to it...

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by MandyBlake

i keep thinking about the people who couldn't afford to evacuate and had no other place to go.

how about saving $200 on buying a new pair of Nikes so you could get a bus ticket later instead ?


there are mnany places to go: camping, churches, shelters......

tons of places available.

[MandyBlake]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

there are mnany places to go: camping, churches, shelters......

tons of places available.

you're right. i keep thinking about leaving the state and staying at a hotel. my bad

[Nismo]

evacuation was mandatory, but not enforced.

many in new orleans have no money, no car and nowwhere to go except shelters - which is where they went. where else where they suppose to go?

when you have a city with 500k+ and only a few roads going OUT of the state (just 2 lanes), you're going to have serious congestion.

[CDSmith]

Too poor to throw some stuff in a backpack and start walking? Come on now, poor people have been travelling for centuries and have done just fine. Wouldn't it be better to have locked up and left home days ago and be safe rather than be stranded on an overpass with nothing and wallowing in your own shit?

You pack some basic stuff, get the kids ready to go, take whatever food and water you can carry, and you get moving. I'm sure there are some people living north of that disaster zone would help you out. Better that than what those who failed to evacuate are now facing.

Remember, the region I'm in HAD a massive flood back in '97. If the government had've issued an evacuation order for my area of Winnipeg I WOULD have left, period. And so would the poor people here have left.

Yes, you still have to help those who chose to stay behind, but it doesn't mean a few lessons can't be learned from this.

[Nismo]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Too poor to throw some stuff in a backpack and start walking? Come on now, poor people have been travelling for centuries and have done just fine. Wouldn't it be better to have locked up and left home days ago and be safe rather than be stranded on an overpass with nothing and wallowing in your own shit?

You pack some basic stuff, get the kids ready to go, take whatever food and water you can carry, and you get moving. I'm sure there are some people living north of that disaster zone would help you out. Better that than what those who failed to evacuate are now facing.

Remember, the region I'm in HAD a massive flood back in '97. If the government had've issued an evacuation order for my area of Winnipeg I WOULD have left, period. And so would the poor people here have left.

Yes, you still have to help those who chose to stay behind, but it doesn't mean a few lessons can't be learned from this.

yeah, tell that to all those poor blacks who are taking care of their parents who have alzheimers, who cant walk, who have diabetes, who have heart problems, who havent eaten in days, who will refuse & fight in order to stay because they are scared, who are too stupid/uneducated to realize it's time to leave. you want them to walk to north louisiana in a day? wake the fuck up. new orleans and the people that live there are different than in any other city.

you've never even been to new orleans, have you?

[Babagirls]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Too poor to throw some stuff in a backpack and start walking? Come on now, poor people have been travelling for centuries and have done just fine. Wouldn't it be better to have locked up and left home days ago and be safe rather than be stranded on an overpass with nothing and wallowing in your own shit?

You pack some basic stuff, get the kids ready to go, take whatever food and water you can carry, and you get moving. I'm sure there are some people living north of that disaster zone would help you out. Better that than what those who failed to evacuate are now facing.

Remember, the region I'm in HAD a massive flood back in '97. If the government had've issued an evacuation order for my area of Winnipeg I WOULD have left, period. And so would the poor people here have left.

Yes, you still have to help those who chose to stay behind, but it doesn't mean a few lessons can't be learned from this.

what about the people at the nursing homes with no family, they cant drive, and even if they COULD fly out, where would they go? everyone who stayed behind has a reason. some are stupid, but alot are becuase they seriously couldnt leave.

[SleazeQueen]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Too poor to throw some stuff in a backpack and start walking? Come on now, poor people have been travelling for centuries and have done just fine.

How far can you walk in a day? Can you walk 50 miles? What if you're 6 years old? How far can a 6 year old walk? How far can a person with some sort of lung disease walk? How far can someone with diabetic neuropathy in their feet walk? Most of the people left either have no transportation or are in some way infirm. I think the number of people who stayed "just because" is probably pretty low and those aren't the people I'm worried about saving.

Look at the problems they had in the hospitals. They had neonatal wards FULL of babies during the storm. Why weren't they moved to Houston before the storm?

I do hope we learn something from this, but let's face it... We're Americuns! We don't need to learn shit!

[Nismo]

Originally Posted by Babagirls

what about the people at the nursing homes with no family, they cant drive, and even if they COULD fly out, where would they go? everyone who stayed behind has a reason. some are stupid, but alot are becuase they seriously couldnt leave.

you didn't know that people were just giving away money, food, water, medicine, plane tickets, bus passes, car rides to those who aren't able to leave? aparently these fucking morons on gfy think thats what was going on

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by Nismo

when you have a city with 500k+ and only a few roads going OUT of the state (just 2 lanes), you're going to have serious congestion.

they've had a whole week to get the fuck out of there.

[DarkJedi]

You don't see a single white person there. Is the city 100% black? All the news footage shows nothing but nogs. Perhaps, the whites actually EVACUATED UPON WARNINGS OF A PENDING DISASTER?

The whites got the hell out when the storm was on its way. The nigs stayed behind to loot.

[Nismo]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

they've had a whole week to get the fuck out of there.

no, they had just a couple of days at most. remember when they were saying that katrina was going to hit mexico? Not to mention it wasn't expected to be anywhere near what it was sat/sun. It picked up major strength in the gulf from all the warm water and not to mention when it first hit miami, it was no where near a cat5.

you need to stop reading fakenews.com

[phogirl69]

Originally Posted by SleazeQueen

What *I* want to know is where is Homeland Security? We have allocated millions if not billions of dollars to a new goverment organization that is supposed to be a first reponsider to major disasters. THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOR, HLS!!! Why is nobody responding? I'm in Washington and I could have gotten there faster with a truck load of bottled water than the government has.

Sad.

This is true. Some of the millions/billions spent helping other countries should be spent on our own backyard, even before the hurricane, now it's basically no better than a third world country. Some parts in the U.S are dirt poor, and I mean poor like as in the people are still pumping water in towns such as in Pembroke Illionois. It's very sad.

[jade_dragon]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

You don't see a single white person there. Is the city 100% black? All the news footage shows nothing but nogs. Perhaps, the whites actually EVACUATED UPON WARNINGS OF A PENDING DISASTER?

The whites got the hell out when the storm was on its way. The nigs stayed behind to loot.

INCORRECT, common sense should have told you that.

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/p...hxwaoma_photo1

and then

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/480/ladm10208301530

[fuzzypeach]

IMHO, the govt/state did not plan effectively.

Why weren't there free shuttles days ahead of time to transport the poor and disabled people to a neighboring state? Trains, cruise ships, and buses should've have been chartered and the pickup and dropoff times and locations should have been plastered all over the news. The govt failed when it ordered a mandatory evacuation but knew that 1/2 the people did not have the means to leave

Why weren't there backup plans prepared ahead of time to deal with the homeless people? Like setting people up on cruise ships for a few weeks so they'll have shelter, food, and medical attention?

Why weren't safety stations setup immediately throughout the state? And why weren't food, water, and medical supplies air dropped to these stations?

Why weren't the marines on high alert and ready to deploy within minutes? Why weren't some of the military's amphibious vehicles deployed? Why wasn't the National Guards supplied with military grade equipment so they can deploy in whatever conditions may have existed.

Why weren't the concrete parkades converted in tent cities? They survived the hurricane, they're 10+ floors above water, and they'll shelter thousands of people and will group everyone together so food, water, and medical distribution will be easier.

The local officials and government failed. I know hindsight is 20/20 but when 99.99% of the people stranded HAVE NOT BEEN COMMUNICATED TO, the govt has failed.

IMHO, if a nuclear blast would've hit NO instead of Katrina, NO would have had better support from Bush.

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by Nismo

Not to mention it wasn't expected to be anywhere near what it was sat/sun. you need to stop reading fakenews.com

The Hurricane was announced to be cat 5.
When it hit, it actually scaled down to cat 4.

you need to pull your head out of your ass.

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by jade_dragon

INCORRECT, common sense should have told you that.

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/p...hxwaoma_photo1

and then

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/480/ladm10208301530

1. looks like 2 exchange students who didn't know what the fuck was happening because they didn't speak english.

2. looks like nigga to me.

Thanks for proving my point.

P.S.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Nismo

yeah, tell that to all those poor blacks who are taking care of their parents who have alzheimers, who cant walk, who have diabetes, who have heart problems, who havent eaten in days, who will refuse & fight in order to stay because they are scared, who are too stupid/uneducated to realize it's time to leave. you want them to walk to north louisiana in a day? wake the fuck up. new orleans and the people that live there are different than in any other city.

you've never even been to new orleans, have you?

You're right. Better to stay and live in your own shit for a week and hope you survive long enough for others to risk their lives getting to you.

I'll get some coffee and try to do as you say, and wake the fuck up.

[Nismo]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

The Hurricane was announced to be cat 5.
When it hit, it actually scaled down to cat 4.

you need to pull your head out of your ass.

I know what category it was when it hit. It was the highest mph a cat4 could be when it was on land. But what the fuck does that have to do with the time factor they had to evacuate? They didn't have a week like you said.

You've obviously never lived in Louisiana.

You've obviously never been in a hurricane.

So, obviously, you're the expert here.

[jade_dragon]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

1. looks like 2 exchange students who didn't know what the fuck was happening because they didn't speak english.

2. looks like nigga to me.

Thanks for proving my point.

P.S.

nooooo, 1 definitely looks like a white guy and a "coon ass" or whie creole woman, 2 looks like a black guy.

Of course the reason i posted it was to see if someone read the caption where the non blacks FOUND and the blacks LOOTED. Thank you for proving MY point Mr Smug ;)

[Nismo]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

You're right. Better to stay and live in your own shit for a week and hope you survive long enough for others to risk their lives getting to you.

I'll get some coffee and try to do as you say, and wake the fuck up.

Please tell me where I said it's better to stay and live in your own shit for a week. I'll eat my hat on live webcam feeds if you do.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Nismo

no, they had just a couple of days at most.

Most people walking even at a slow pace can cover 40 or 50 miles in that amount of time. Do a little hitchhiking and your distance from the city can increase by many times that distance.

You can make all kinds of excuses for people, but in the end there are very few situations I can think of where people can't leave as ordered. Dude, we have poor and disabled and elderly and uneducated here in Canada too, and those people can be evacuated. You just do it.

Better to at least have a shot at finding some place safe rather than being in the predicament those people shown on the news footage are in now.

[Nismo]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

1. looks like 2 exchange students who didn't know what the fuck was happening because they didn't speak english.

2. looks like nigga to me.

Thanks for proving my point.

P.S.

typical hood niggas.

we'll have alot of black folks found floating with $500 worth of tommy, polo, nike, etc. on.

[Nismo]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Most people walking even at a slow pace can cover 40 or 50 miles in that amount of time. Do a little hitchhiking and your distance from the city can increase by many times that distance.

You can make all kinds of excuses for people, but in the end there are very few situations I can think of where people can't leave as ordered. Dude, we have poor and disabled and elderly and uneducated here in Canada too, and those people can be evacuated. You just do it.

Better to at least have a shot at finding some place safe rather than being in the predicament those people shown on the news footage are in now.

Yes, *I* know that. Dude, I am from New Orleans - I lived in Tall Timbers. I have seen all kinds of shit down there. Those people who fall under the categories of what I posted for reasons of not leaving, AREN'T going to leave no matter what. Do you really think a bunch of blacks from the magnolia projects are going to line up and start walking up the highway?

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Nismo

Do you really think a bunch of blacks from the magnolia projects are going to line up and start walking up the highway?

No, I don't.... but it doesn't mean I can't say that they should have.

Now they're all standing around the Superdome all pissed off and demanding help when many of them could have....... you know.


All I know is that when I was down in Florida back in the mid 90's for a business conference, right after the event a hurricane was reported as heading towards us. I could have stayed in Orlando for a few more days but chose to do the smart thing and get the fuck out. If I had no vehicle I would have caught a ride with someone. Nothing big happened from that storm but I wasn't about to stick around to find out.