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New Orleans - Worth Rebuilding?

08-30-2005, 01:58 PM

Should the government declare the area "no man's land"?

Insurance companies payout on the losses, remaining structures leveled, and we close the chapter.

Is it worth rebuilding?
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08-30-2005, 01:59 PM

what would we do without mardi gras?
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08-30-2005, 02:00 PM

What is mardi gras?
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08-30-2005, 02:00 PM

of course they will rebuild it.. too much money involved not too.. But I think it's a stupid place to build. Any place the depends on pumps to keep water out is a dumb place to build a city.

This will only happen again they have just been lucky for a very long time.

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08-30-2005, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by dynastoned

what would we do without mardi gras?

Exactly. It will be interested to see what 'value' people list as N.O. providing to the rest of the union (other than the oil rigs off it's shores).

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08-30-2005, 02:02 PM

definitely worth rebuilding. we need more girls gone wild videos
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08-30-2005, 02:03 PM

well 2 hours ago the governor announced the entire city must be evacuated including the superdome shelters and other shelters. It is no longer a city and who knows when itll become one again. I highly doubt theyll just abandon the city forever.

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08-30-2005, 02:03 PM

if you're serious about this question....

YES its worth rebuilding

new orleans is a hub of culture
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08-30-2005, 02:04 PM

how much are we talking about here, $80-100 Billion? i doubt
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08-30-2005, 02:04 PM

some people say its culture is the reason of this destruction. Some say its a city of sin and thats why it was destroyed.

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08-30-2005, 02:05 PM

Can we live without the New Orleans Saints? (no need to answer)

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08-30-2005, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by throwdown

if you're serious about this question....

YES its worth rebuilding

new orleans is a hub of culture

I am 100% serious.

It needs to be considered if the area is worth saving. The area was built up a long time ago before people said, "Yo, shit be at or below sea level, yo".
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08-30-2005, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by tgpshack

some people say its culture is the reason of this destruction. Some say its a city of sin and thats why it was destroyed.

Yeah, Christian asshole idiots like Pat Robertson... I wish someone would take that fuck out

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08-30-2005, 02:07 PM

new orleans saints... for some reason that seems like an oxy moron... lol
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08-30-2005, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Harmon

Yeah, Christian asshole idiots like Pat Robertson... I wish someone would take that fuck out

The game has been going his way lately...

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08-30-2005, 02:13 PM

how they gonna name it ? New New Orleans ?
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08-30-2005, 02:13 PM

Considering the melting of the ice caps is raising the ocean level further, I would advise against building anywhere within a few feet of the current sea level. But nobody asks me, so they'll probably just try to restore everything

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08-30-2005, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Elli

Considering the melting of the ice caps is raising the ocean level further, I would advise against building anywhere within a few feet of the current sea level. But nobody asks me, so they'll probably just try to restore everything

Anyone who looks at this objectively, will see that the $26bil is not worth it. Considering the place is at sea level or below sea level, and kept afloat via levies and pumps.

The city is/was a shit hole with some of the highest crime rates (based on population), political corruption, etc.

When I see the images, it looks like a toilet just got flushed.
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08-30-2005, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by davidd

Anyone who looks at this objectively, will see that the $26bil is not worth it. Considering the place is at sea level or below sea level, and kept afloat via levies and pumps.

The city is/was a shit hole with some of the highest crime rates (based on population), political corruption, etc.

When I see the images, it looks like a toilet just got flushed.

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08-30-2005, 02:27 PM

Will they call it the Ukrenchian Quarter?
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08-30-2005, 02:31 PM

If we are spending about 300 billion rebuilding a forign country that we leveled we should have no problem spending 30 billion on a city that is in our country.

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08-30-2005, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by throwdown

if you're serious about this question....

YES its worth rebuilding

new orleans is a hub of culture

its also a major oil hub, our government is oil hungry, Bush is in the oil business, and they will do whatever it takes to keep the oil tankers coming thru New Orleans.

The New Orleans port being closed = bad news for Bush's net worth, he wont allow that.
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08-30-2005, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Penrod

Will they call it the Ukrenchian Quarter?

Ukrenchian's understand city must be in highland.

This city made for non-Uchrenchians, we no need it.
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08-30-2005, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by MrPheer

its also a major oil hub, our government is oil hungry, Bush is in the oil business, and they will do whatever it takes to keep the oil tankers coming thru New Orleans.

The New Orleans port being closed = bad news for Bush's net worth, he wont allow that.

The port was just made bigger. A city existing there means nothing to the flow of oil. The oil rigs will go back online, as will the refineries...
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08-30-2005, 02:41 PM

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08-30-2005, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by floridaT

-there was only one shrimping boat survive in the Bayou LaBatre fishing district. the "Jenny"

I saw this somewhere.
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08-30-2005, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by floridaT

-there was only one shrimping boat survive in the Bayou LaBatre fishing district. the "Jenny"

There were hidden messages in that movie. Some say Forest, was the modern day messiah. He predicted this.

Might be a good time to duplicate his lesson.

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08-30-2005, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by MrPheer

its also a major oil hub, our government is oil hungry, Bush is in the oil business, and they will do whatever it takes to keep the oil tankers coming thru New Orleans.

The New Orleans port being closed = bad news for Bush's net worth, he wont allow that.

Lots of cleaning up to do!
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08-30-2005, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by davidd

Anyone who looks at this objectively, will see that the $26bil is not worth it. Considering the place is at sea level or below sea level, and kept afloat via levies and pumps.

The city is/was a shit hole with some of the highest crime rates (based on population), political corruption, etc.

When I see the images, it looks like a toilet just got flushed.

What the hell makes anyone think it will take only 26 Billion to rebuild N.0.? I'd hazard a guess to say it's going to take at least 100 billion, if not more to rebuild it. It's sheer stupidity to rebuild it on it's current site. Every year Florida and the Gulf Coast gets clobbered by hurricanes and these perennially stupid people keep living there and keep trying to ride out the hurricanes... it's serves their dumb asses right that they've been wiped out and left homeless. They've been warned for generations that this was going to happen. I'm damn tired of my tax dollars being used to rebuild all of these areas. No, it's not like California... we don't have earthquakes every year that costs the American tax payers billions of dollars in federal aid or insurance payouts which raise rates for everyone.

If these idiots want to continue to live there, let them start paying their own way. Let the states that are affected like this (including those who get flooded out every year) levy a special sales tax of at least 5% to pay for reconstruction and have it allocated to not be used for any other purpose. Just having people relying on insurance companies isn't a fair way to do it because there are many people who simply do not buy insurance or they don't own homes, they rent. A 'disaster recovery tax is the only fair way to do it.

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08-30-2005, 03:55 PM

I was telling my wife if I had lived there , I would restart somewhere else ,everything is lost.
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08-30-2005, 04:01 PM

N.O. is a fucking disqusting armpit ghetto of a nasty shithole. the best thing that could have ever happened to it just did. As for being a culture hub, the people there are fucking creepy and the food is way overrated unless you're way into cheap hot sauce. Ok the music might be good but I'm not 60 yet. I feel sorry for the people and I do hope they rebuild there so that none of them even think about coming to California.
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08-30-2005, 04:02 PM

rebuilding it all over again would be stupid but i guess thats what going to happen...
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08-30-2005, 04:05 PM

I am pretty sure they will rebuild but I don't think I will ever be the same all the historic buildings and stuff are gone. T he history is one of the things that made it so intresting aside from the partys.

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08-30-2005, 04:07 PM

Yes, there is alot of culture and history New Orleans, but I think the question of re-building is a very legitimate question.

It is built right in a disaster zone. Sooner or later it will be hit again.

Although the same may be true for San Francisco with the earthquake faults nearby.

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08-30-2005, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by DaddyHalbucks

Yes, there is alot of culture and history New Orleans, but I think the question of re-building is a very legitimate question.

It is built right in a disaster zone. Sooner or later it will be hit again.

Although the same may be true for San Francisco with the earthquake faults nearby.

San Francisco contributes massively to the economy. This is a $$$ conversation.

Lousiana is the 6th poorest state in the union, and on a financial review, $100bil would be a lot to spend on a city in this state that is below sea level, and a cess pool.

The GSP (Gross State Product) is: 146,000,000,000

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The state of Louisiana pays $20,000,000,000 a year in taxes. On a purely tax revenue basis, it would take 5 years to recoup the money (assuming $100 bil reconstruction on public works, FEMA assistance, etc etc).
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08-30-2005, 04:28 PM

I agree with the fact that we would lose some culture, but seriously..... LA is a dump

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08-30-2005, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by davidd

Should the government declare the area "no man's land"?

Insurance companies payout on the losses, remaining structures leveled, and we close the chapter.

Is it worth rebuilding?

Sure then Bush can go on how about how many jobs HE created. Just like his bloated highway bill. Funny I though only communist countries artifically created jobs. Hmmmmmm.
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08-30-2005, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by davidd

San Francisco contributes massively to the economy. This is a $$$ conversation.

Lousiana is the 6th poorest state in the union, and on a financial review, $100bil would be a lot to spend on a city in this state that is below sea level, and a cess pool.

The GSP (Gross State Product) is: 146,000,000,000

http://www.statehealthfacts.kff.org/...+State+Product

The state of Louisiana pays $20,000,000,000 a year in taxes. On a purely tax revenue basis, it would take 5 years to recoup the money (assuming $100 bil reconstruction on public works, FEMA assistance, etc etc).

I suspect most of that is from NOLA. Get rid of NOLA and you can expect LA to contribute even less in taxes.

NOLA has an active convention draw, Mardigras, Sugar Bowl, Jazz Festival as well as millions of tourists coming in just to see the place outside events. I see no way they can afford NOT to build it back.
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08-30-2005, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by PatrickKing

If we are spending about 300 billion rebuilding a forign country that we leveled we should have no problem spending 30 billion on a city that is in our country.

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08-30-2005, 04:41 PM

Are you joking? Mardi Gras MUST happen lol, there's no other way to say it. I don't care if I have to rebuild the fuckin french quarter myself!

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08-30-2005, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Peaches

I see no way they can afford NOT to build it back.

I can. $100 billion to rebuild a city that's BELOW SEA LEVEL and is in a hurricane zone? Ok I can understand the ignorance of New Orleans founders since city planning and meteorology wasn't that advanced back then, but no excuses now.
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08-30-2005, 04:57 PM

Saint Louis, MO. has the 2nd largest Mardi Gras crowd in the United States. Come here and check it out... not worried about New Orleans, other than people and their homes. Parties rock here.
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08-30-2005, 05:00 PM

Won't that be good a tourist attaction; a US version of Italy's Venice?
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08-30-2005, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by davidd

San Francisco contributes massively to the economy. This is a $$$ conversation.

Lousiana is the 6th poorest state in the union, and on a financial review, $100bil would be a lot to spend on a city in this state that is below sea level, and a cess pool.

The GSP (Gross State Product) is: 146,000,000,000

http://www.statehealthfacts.kff.org/...+State+Product

The state of Louisiana pays $20,000,000,000 a year in taxes. On a purely tax revenue basis, it would take 5 years to recoup the money (assuming $100 bil reconstruction on public works, FEMA assistance, etc etc).

Regardless of those facts, what was not mentioned is that 25% of the oil coming in to the US comes thru the port and refineries in New Orleans.
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08-31-2005, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by SureFire

Lots of cleaning up to do!

what a terrible blow to the economy
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08-31-2005, 08:46 AM

New Orleans is an awesome city that I have been to a few times and I can't wait to go back again. Mardi Gras is an awesome event and NO is one of the most unique cities in the US. It has to be rebuilt and I'm sure it will with time.

But yes, building a city of that size below sea level so close to bodies of water is just asking for it!

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08-31-2005, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by MrPheer

Regardless of those facts, what was not mentioned is that 25% of the oil coming in to the US comes thru the port and refineries in New Orleans.

The oil refinery part of the equation will be rebuilt, you can bet on that. It won't cost but a fraction of the cost of rebuilding the city and it has a big payday, so it will get done.

The real question is do they rebuild all the roads, electrical, housing, govt buildings, grocery stores and on and on. If they do rebuild, how can they justify a complete rebuild to only restore something that could be leveled again because its 10ft below sea level?

Is Bush still on vacation? You can sure tell we are not in the midst of a close election.
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08-31-2005, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by scoreman

The oil refinery part of the equation will be rebuilt, you can bet on that. It won't cost but a fraction of the cost of rebuilding the city and it has a big payday, so it will get done.

The real question is do they rebuild all the roads, electrical, housing, govt buildings, grocery stores and on and on. If they do rebuild, how can they justify a complete rebuild to only restore something that could be leveled again because its 10ft below sea level?

Is Bush still on vacation? You can sure tell we are not in the midst of a close election.

The Constitution forbids the government from rebuilding this city. The state can rebuild the city, that is their choice, if they have the money.

The oil rigs will be back online quickly, that is how private industry works. Putting a possible reconstruction in the hands of the federal govt will result in an other Massachusetts style "Big Dig" (google it for those who do not know).
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08-31-2005, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by MrPheer

Regardless of those facts, what was not mentioned is that 25% of the oil coming in to the US comes thru the port and refineries in New Orleans.

So doesn't mean you have to rebuild the whole city. Move it to an area that's NOT BELOW SEA LEVEL and call it New New Orleans.
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08-31-2005, 10:13 AM

It will get rebuilt that is the American way. While many people will experience devastating losses, most will, in time rebound completely and prosper from the situation. No matter how bad it is, it will be rebuilt. Seawalls and other means of retention will be engineered. It looks dire and grim right now but in time it will all be restored.

This could be one of the best things to happen to the city. As bad as this sounds the reconstruction and cleanup efforts will create opportunities, it will create a new economy, much of what people refer to as a "shithole" will now have the opportunity to be revamped. Most will want to return many wont. The abandoned land will be prime opportunity for development and reconstruction. I would stake a claim in the rebuilding.

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