50...........

Yep, my thoughts exacty.

Lets get real, it's mostly genetics.

Try Max-ot program... http://www.ast-ss.com/max-ot/max-ot_intro.asp
Should start soon (again) .. THe thing is if you lift weight but don't do the diet to go with it.. You are losing your time... especially when you are skinny..

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I have no clue....but do you happen to have that guy in the brown pants' number?: ) yummy

You must only know guys who juice to get big. Open up any muscle magazine and everyone in there is using hormones, HGH, Clen, whatever. Until my eyes were opened lately, I had no idea how many people use Pro Hormones to get the body they want. Male and female. It's a huge industry.

What you are referring to in muscle difference from lifting and rolling is nothing special. It's called leverage.

Heard good things about Sus, however, I've seen firsthand what Cyp can do.

Wasn't too impressed with Var.

Have you got a url for that steroid forum? I'm researching that topic at the moment.

dig, do you actually have fun at bjj? what do you do there? i'm looking for something to do thats interesting, i dont really care about fighting becuase i'm not a fighter but i wouldnt mind doing it for something different and fun to do. i took a martial arts class when i was younger. is it anything like that?

Actually, that's a near mirror image of mine...

Monday: Chest
Tuesday: Legs
Wednesday: Shoulders and traps
Thursday: Back *AND Legs*
Friday: Biceps and triceps
Saturday: Off

Honestly, I enjoy going to the gym a lot. Gives me a chance to see a friend I usually don't see anywhere else and always pretty women =)

hah I'm not surprised your from florida..roids all over the place but to answer the question..

genetics
diet
and a little juice never hurt

still, i bet that guy can get laid any night of the week, without effort.

50% genetics? try 99% if your body sais your pecs wont look like that guess what you can't make your pecs turn into shelfs.. you'll always have round pecs and not shelf looking pecs its alllllll in yhour genetics.. and proper diet :)

First off start taking it up the ass.

Secondly find a job that will pay you to live in the gym.

i thought so too... :winkwink:

It's easy =)

my cutting diet
-45min of cardio every AM
-1hr of lifting (1 muscle group per week)
-strict & very boring diet (lean meats, brown rice & steamed veggies). I eat the same thing at the same time every day until i reach desired bf%.

It's about 15% genetic, 85% working out and dieting. It's easy to get like that if you spend the time.

couldnt be further from the truth

THats not true you can only get in the best shape your genetics will allow. I would work my ass off at the gym ,my friend who had a six pack so deep you would think he needed a q tip to clean the ridges .HE did nothing and if he decide to lift he couldnt do arms because they grow too quickly.I hated him lol
I bet you dollars to donuts that guy looked like that his whole life. Somepoeple are really gifted and the magazines and supplement compaines stick them in our faces and say you can look like that and you wont if you dont have the building blocks. I could live in the gym ,eat very clean take the same steriods as Dorian but my body would look nothing like his becuase I dont have the genetics .Can I get in great shape fuck yeah but it would be the best shape for my genetics.

Anyone can get in that shape or a very good looking one if they work hard and follow strict dieting and exercise. Some peoples genetics allows them to work less, but anyone can do it.

go to a gay club and wear tight pink pants and they will come to you

Hahahaha.

Actually, that guy probably has an unhealthy bodyfat %... just because you're your proper weight doesn't mean you're healthy..

Genetics also prevents some people from doing so; not everyone can do it.

Matt

it's like making the gym your home! work out like theres no more tomorrow... :)

Are you really this ignorant? Let me guess...you are morbidly obese?

The reason your friend who "did nothing" had a 6pack was probably one or all of these reasons: he was active in sports, didn't eat bad foods and ate alot of protein and clean foods every few hours, had good genes, had plenty of sleep, had high metabolism and good genes.

It's really amazing how these webmasters, who are morbidlby obese and don't know the first thing about nutrition, proper portion size, proper diet, etc. are over here telling people that you can only get a body like that if you are genetically predisposed to look like that.

man you can post that the sky is red a hundred times, but that don't make it fucking so. The only thing you need to get in good shape is self-discipline and hard work. It's not your genetics that's making you guys sloppy fatasses lol, it's sitting on the couch eating nachos and reading GFY all day.

Genetics lol... you might not be able to get that EXACT body shape, but you can get hard and cut up. It's ok to be out of shape or whatever, but don't try to kid yourself and everyone else by saying you can't get in shape because you're genetically predisposed to be shaped like a doughnut.

What genetics prevent this? Of course someone who was born with severe asthma may not be able to exercise enough to get in that shape. That is not the genetics people are talking about.

These people are talking about metabolism, and even metabolism only goes so far.

Hardwork, exercise, discipline and dieting is all you need.

He's talking about the recessive 'fatass' gene. It's only carried on the y chromosome and sometimes skips a generation :1orglaugh

You really dont know what your talking about my brother has the discipline of a marine. Ate extremely clean (cans and cans canned tuna,chicken), lifted like a animal worked and practically lived in the gym. He looked great but he was far from ripped its not in our genetics. Not everyone can get ripped I dont care what muscle mags tell you.

Depending in what condition you are starting from, you gotta be really strict on your diet, do cardio a few times a week and lift weights three or four days a week to even get close to that kind of shape.

I worked at Gold's Gym. I went thru boot camp. I train at Gracie Academy. I know a little bit about fitness. Genetics has a LITTLE to do with it. Black guys are sometimes naturally cut. Mexicans sometimes have more trouble than other races getting cut. However, ANYONE can get in damn good shape. You might not be able to get totally fabulously ripped up, but you can damn sure get good definition and well defined abs, arms and shoulders, not to mention legs and back.

I suspect you're looking for an excuse to not work out.

Lifting doesn't make you cut. Cardio does. Ever wonder why the men in the "strongest man" contest aren't ripped? They don't do enough cardio. They lift all day.

low weight, high reps can and will make you cut.

It's because of the cardio involved in high repetitions. Heavy weight at high reps will do exactly the same, only problem is that you can't do high reps at high weights. That means that weight has less to do with it than reps.

I dunno, I never heard that from the trainers at the gym. Cardio knocks off the fat and water weight, which helps get you cut, but my understanding is that the low weight reps sculpts the muscle. Why aren't all long distance runners and swimmers cut? Swimmers in particular have very rounded, not very well defined muscle mass. The muscle is there, it's just not cut.

In any case, this is irrelevant. The point is that you CAN get cut, you CAN get a well-defined musculature and you can get in good cardio shape. It's just like everything else in life: You get back what you put into it. If you're willing to do the work, you'll get the results.

lol advice from overweight webmasters, sickenly bad information in this thread. Go to bodybuilding.com for all your fitness needs.

Also, come to think of it, there isn't much cardio work in low weight reps if you're in shape. I can curl 40 lbs for an hour without running out of breath or getting my heart rate up much. My arms will burn as I use up the last of the lactic acid though.

no I agree with you , you can get in the shape your gentic allow but some will never look like that guy no matter what they do. I work out now Im older so its not a look thing its a living to grow very old thing. I have a young wife and that been my motivation:)

Is this some kind of a joke? I really hope you don't believe what you're saying, because it is 100% false and very laughable.

I'm overweight?

http://dig420.com/me/diego.jpg

You make valid points.

I'm kind of tired, but one last thing. Swimmers are usually very well defined. It is one of the best exercises you can do and works many muscles constantly while keeping a higher heart rate.

Good night.

Steroids do a body good.

Weights are cool to look in good shape, but I'm not sure it helps you as you age too much... a good sport might be the way to go on that, one that you can participate in at whatever speed is comfortable for you.

Helio Gracie is 94 and might still be able to kick my ass