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DarkJedi · 08-29-2005, 07:55 AM

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dirtydesignz · 08-29-2005, 07:57 AM

I love PerfectGonzo and have never received spam from them...BUT, if you have webmasters telling you that they never opted into the list then one of your affiliates is spamming and it is not compliant and they shouldn't have to opt out of something they never opted in to.

You shouldn't be defending this affiliate, you should be terminating him for spam.

crockett · 08-29-2005, 07:57 AM

Ok here are a few headers of his from back in may.. (btw there aren't for perfectgonzo but it's the same guy and the same style as the one's I was complaining about)

From "Acquiesce V. Illustrator" <[email protected]>
To Crockett <[email protected]>
Date Thu, 05 May 2005 01:44:17 -0400
Subject SEXUALLY-EXPLICIT: Guy Licks Girls Nipples And Clit! CamShowSluts

-------------------------------------------------------------------

From "Blackboard I. Cornrowing" <[email protected]>
To Crockett <[email protected]>
Date Tue, 03 May 2005 20:17:58 -0400
Subject SEXUALLY-EXPLICIT: Guy Fucks Blonde Girls Brains Out! BlowQueen

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Here are a few of his headers from back in May that I missed and didn't get in my delete bin. Every single mail he sends is using a different from name. He changes domains

according to the FTC and Can Spam..

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/canspam.htm

It bans false or misleading header information. Your email's "From," "To," and routing information ? including the originating domain name and email address ? must be accurate and identify the person who initiated the email.

Also in the messages themselves.. Where is his physical postal address? According to Can Spam.

It requires that commercial email be identified as an advertisement and include the sender's valid physical postal address. Your message must contain clear and conspicuous notice that the message is an advertisement or solicitation and that the recipient can opt out of receiving more commercial email from you. It also must include your valid physical postal address.

He is posting the program address and not his. It clearly says sender's. valid physical postal address not the affiliate programs address.

David - PG · 08-29-2005, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

So are you saying I can come with my email list tell you its can spam compliant follow the can spam rules regarding title, body and remove link then it will be OK with you that I start sending out mails no matter how I got the mails? Cause thats the impression I get from your post.

If you wish to mail hit me up on ICQ first please lol

Juicy D. Links · 08-29-2005, 07:57 AM

Dave can I get a pass to PG sites if possible?

juicy @ nymalegigolos.com

Thanks yo.

David - PG · 08-29-2005, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Dave can I get a pass to PG sites if possible?

juicy @ nymalegigolos.com

Thanks yo.

Sure. Do you have a webmaster account with us? If so, post your ID. I have a 1-click function in our admin to add your webmaster user/pass to all our members areas.

Anybody else let me know

Juicy D. Links · 08-29-2005, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

Sure. Do you have a webmaster account with us? If so, post your ID. I have a 1-click function in our admin to add your webmaster user/pass to all our members areas.

Anybody else let me know

Yes i do let me get it brb

Michael O · 08-29-2005, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

Keyser what do you want? An apology? This was 8 months ago.

No I just want you to admit the truth its spam trying to look like it follows the can spam rules but it doesn't it looks like it but the emails are not opt in. They are collected from lists where people didn't opt in to recieve spam for your program.

Juicy D. Links · 08-29-2005, 08:00 AM

Your Perfectgonzo Account » 154248

Michael O · 08-29-2005, 08:00 AM

nm......

Manowar · 08-29-2005, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

do you remember what happened to Dean Capture ( ? ) ?

David - PG · 08-29-2005, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Doesn't that pretty much tell everyone that you will accept anything?

Keyser I made a joke. And why would you think I care what "everyone" thinks? Is "you" = "everyone"?

Again. What is your agenda. Do you want an apology for emails you got 8 months ago? Let me know.

David - PG · 08-29-2005, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Your Perfectgonzo Account » 154248

Add Webmasters
Add Webmaster
Done: DONE: Successfully ADDED

Use your webmaster user/pass to login.

Juicy D. Links · 08-29-2005, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

Add Webmasters
Add Webmaster
Done: DONE: Successfully ADDED

Use your webmaster user/pass to login.

Thank You Dave

Michael O · 08-29-2005, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

Keyser I made a joke. And why would you think I care what "everyone" thinks? Is "you" = "everyone"?

Again. What is your agenda. Do you want an apology for emails you got 8 months ago? Let me know.

OK David
Tell this guy where he opted in to recieve these mails and I'll more than make it up to you it should only take 5 minutes to find out the information.

Trent Edison · 08-29-2005, 08:05 AM

What happened to Dean Capture?
I probably was drinking and totally missed it...

David - PG · 08-29-2005, 08:07 AM

Quote:

It bans false or misleading header information. Your email's "From," "To," and routing information ? including the originating domain name and email address ? must be accurate and identify the person who initiated the email.

CHECK.

Quote:

It requires that commercial email be identified as an advertisement and include the sender's valid physical postal address. Your message must contain clear and conspicuous notice that the message is an advertisement or solicitation and that the recipient can opt out of receiving more commercial email from you. It also must include your valid physical postal address.

CHECK.

Michael O · 08-29-2005, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trent Edison

What happened to Dean Capture?
I probably was drinking and totally missed it...

Pissed of some spammers and someone spammed promoting his website

David - PG · 08-29-2005, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

OK David
Tell this guy where he opted in to recieve these mails and I'll more than make it up to you it should only take 5 minutes to find out the information.

And why Keyzer would you (!) waste your time asking me to find out where an unrelated third party opted into something. Why?

Juicy D. Links · 08-29-2005, 08:12 AM

Dave btw , can i chop up vids and use em in 30 sec clips for promo

-Juicy

Trent Edison · 08-29-2005, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Pissed of some spammers and someone spammed promoting his website

Ahh.. Now I recall this one. LOL

David - PG · 08-29-2005, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Dave btw , can i chop up vids and use em in 30 sec clips for promo

-Juicy

Of course! Np.

Michael O · 08-29-2005, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

And why Keyzer would you (!) waste your time asking me to find out where an unrelated third party opted into something. Why?

Because I claim you spam you say you don't this will solve it.

David - PG · 08-29-2005, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Because I claim you spam you say you don't this will solve it.

Thank you, yes this solves it. I don't spam.

Michael O · 08-29-2005, 08:17 AM

We've already wasted enough time in this thread.
Step up show where your spammer got his email from and it will save us a lot of time both now and in the future.

Michael O · 08-29-2005, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

Thank you, yes this solves it. I don't spam.

I should have been clear no YOU don't spam but you accept webmasters spamming your program.

Like I said step up and get the info on where your spammer got his mail from. You don't allow illegal spam so it shouldn't be a problem.

David - PG · 08-29-2005, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

We've already wasted enough time in this thread.
Step up show where your spammer got his email from and it will save us a lot of time both now and in the future.

See Keyser, this is my job & I am passionate about my job. I don't waste time here, never have.

You however should evaluate if you spend your time in an efficient manner

crockett · 08-29-2005, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

CHECK.

right.... so I guess he has Acquiesce V. Illustrator and Blackboard I. Cornrowing on his payroll.. among all the other names that is different of each and everyone of his e-mails.

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

CHECK.

So being the physical address is your company which is listed as the sender, I suppose you are spamming me with these mails? Is that what you are saying?
If so can you please show me where I opted in for these mailings? Common I'm sure you have that info somewhere don't yea?

You can keep pretending that he is compliant but I'm sure you will have some explaining to do when we see the story on AVN news about perfectgonzo getting slapped with a Can Spam fines. As we both know, when guys like me are getting hammered by his non opt in mailings you know the general public is too.. so it's only a matter of time before the FTC hammers you.

You know I didn't expect this thread to go 2 pages, I figured it would be a quickie with someone hitting me on ICQ making sure I was off this guys list. I honestly don't care if you guys accept spam I'm just sick of getting it in my webmaster account.. Seems from a quick search on GFY and the fact that this topic is two pages going on three, well seems I'm not the only one.

Maybe you should do something about it, instead of pretending it's not a problem..

Michael O · 08-29-2005, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

See Keyser, this is my job & I am passionate about my job. I don't waste time here, never have.

You however should evaluate if you spend your time in an efficient manner

How about it David going to tell crockett where you got his mail from?

Don't worry about me its kind of a hobby for me and its important to take time for ones hobbies.

David - PG · 08-29-2005, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

You know I didn't expect this thread to go 2 pages, I figured it would be a quickie with someone hitting me on ICQ making sure I was off this guys list. I honestly don't care if you guys accept spam I'm just sick of getting it in my webmaster account.. Seems from a quick search on GFY and the fact that this topic is two pages going on three, well seems I'm not the only one.

Maybe you should do something about it, instead of pretending it's not a problem..

Crockett, you can do whatever you like.

I told you if you wish to speak to us we have ICQ & webmaster support. It seems its more convenient for you to post a thread and then sit on your butt waiting to receive an ICQ message.

Michael O · 08-29-2005, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

Crockett, you can do whatever you like.

I told you if you wish to speak to us we have ICQ & webmaster support. It seems its more convenient for you to post a thread and then sit on your butt waiting to receive an ICQ message.

David since its a legit mailing why not just tell him where he opted in for your mailings?

David - PG · 08-29-2005, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

How about it David going to tell crockett where you got his mail from?

I don't have Crockett's email. You must be misinformed. He never emailed us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Don't worry about me its kind of a hobby for me and its important to take time for ones hobbies.

Ah ok. Yea each to his own

Michael O · 08-29-2005, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

I don't have Crockett's email. You must be misinformed. He never emailed us.
Ah ok. Yea each to his own

OK so if crockett gives you his email will you tell us where he opted in?

Michael O · 08-29-2005, 08:27 AM

How about it crockett mail David you email address and he will post here where you opted in for this OK with you?

David - PG · 08-29-2005, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

David since its a legit mailing why not just tell him where he opted in for your mailings?

I am sure Crockett is grown up enough to email us himself. But he surely is happy you're acting on his behalf lol

Michael O · 08-29-2005, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

I am sure Crockett is grown up enough to email us himself. But he surely is happy you're acting on his behalf lol

Why the back paddling you have the chance to once and for all to show me I am wrong and all your mailings are legit.
Why not do it?

David - PG · 08-29-2005, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Why the back paddling you have the chance to once and for all to show me I am wrong and all your mailings are legit.
Why not do it?

Hmmm Not sure what part you don't understand. We don't do any mailings.

And for all third parties (affiliates) I make sure they're compliant with our rules. If this guy changed his email (templates or whatever) please email us and I will check them out. Last time (your case, 8 odd months ago) everything was ok.

Keyser why would it be in my interest to proove to you (!) that "our mailings" (quoting you) are "legit" (quoting you again)?

Anna_O · 08-29-2005, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

Sure. Do you have a webmaster account with us? If so, post your ID. I have a 1-click function in our admin to add your webmaster user/pass to all our members areas.

Anybody else let me know

The girls from Perfect Gonzo are drop dead gorgeous.

Acc# 239870

Thanks

David - PG · 08-29-2005, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anna_O

The girls from Perfect Gonzo are drop dead gorgeous.

Acc# 239870

Thanks

Add Webmasters
Add Webmaster
Done: DONE: Successfully ADDED

There you go ;)

Anna_O · 08-29-2005, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

Add Webmasters
Add Webmaster
Done: DONE: Successfully ADDED

There you go ;)

Thank you

David - PG · 08-29-2005, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

You know I didn't expect this thread to go 2 pages, I figured it would be a quickie

Hence the title of your thread eh?

Michael O · 08-29-2005, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

Hmmm Not sure what part you don't understand. We don't do any mailings.

And for all third parties (affiliates) I make sure they're compliant with our rules. If this guy changed his email (templates or whatever) please email us and I will check them out. Last time (your case, 8 odd months ago) everything was ok.

Keyser why would it be in my interest to proove to you (!) that "our mailings" (quoting you) are "legit" (quoting you again)?

OK David
So you accept webmasters spamming mails that look like they are can spam complient but are not and you don't care is that the conclusion I can draw from this thread?

I asked you if you wanted to prove to me that the mailings followed the can spam rules but you don't lead me to think you can't.

You had a chance to show your company plays by the rules only accepting webmasters that follow the can spam rules but it appearently doesn't interests you to do this makes me wonder if you have anything else to hide.

Good luck with it and I hope for you that rules against spamming don't come to the british virgin islands anytime soon.

dirtydesignz · 08-29-2005, 08:44 AM

David, I think you are missing the point. Maybe the layout and set up of the mailings is legit, but you have webmasters telling you that they NEVER opted into the mail list, but are receiving up to 10 spam emails a day from one of your affiliates. It has nothing to do with headers or content...but these guys said they never opted in, so why haven't you terminated this affiliate for spamming?

broke · 08-29-2005, 08:51 AM

Acct: 636748

Thanks.

Michael O · 08-29-2005, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtydesignz

David, I think you are missing the point. Maybe the layout and set up of the mailings is legit, but you have webmasters telling you that they NEVER opted into the mail list, but are receiving up to 10 spam emails a day from one of your affiliates. It has nothing to do with headers or content...but these guys said they never opted in, so why haven't you terminated this affiliate for spamming?

Because he don't care he makes money from it and is located offshore.
He just twists my words I know he is not the one doing the mailings and its one of his affiliates he told me this months ago he just tries to look good.

crockett · 08-29-2005, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG

Crockett, you can do whatever you like

I told you if you wish to speak to us we have ICQ & webmaster support. It seems its more convenient for you to post a thread and then sit on your butt waiting to receive an ICQ message.

Why should I do anything but sit on my butt and start this thread? I didn't opt in for the spam, I've hit the opt out in the past.. yet I still get them.

I posted on this board because these posts generally bring results. I figured if I was getting these in my webmaster E-mail account, then I know others are too. So IMO the best place to deal with this is on the boards.

You know as well as I do these are not compliant e-mails they are just faking it. You know I didn't opt in for these mails just like none of the other webmasters that have complained.. Yet you act as if it's no big deal and they guy is compliant.

I'm not going to contact you now after this because I don't trust you.. Next thing you know I'll be on 20 more mailers lists. Of course they would all be opt ins as well..

tranza · 08-29-2005, 08:58 AM

This is not REAL DRAMA!!

Mr. Soul · 08-29-2005, 09:00 AM

An affiliate program spamming counts as "real drama" these days?

crockett · 08-29-2005, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtydesignz

David, I think you are missing the point. Maybe the layout and set up of the mailings is legit, but you have webmasters telling you that they NEVER opted into the mail list, but are receiving up to 10 spam emails a day from one of your affiliates. It has nothing to do with headers or content...but these guys said they never opted in, so why haven't you terminated this affiliate for spamming?

because he sends a lot of joins..simple as that.. Money talks and BS gets posted on GFY

DarkJedi · 08-29-2005, 09:03 AM

David, I wanted to talk to you about something.

Where can i icq you or drop an email ?

08-29-2005, 07:57 AM	#52
dirtydesignz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Playa de los Playas :) Posts: 1,815	I love PerfectGonzo and have never received spam from them...BUT, if you have webmasters telling you that they never opted into the list then one of your affiliates is spamming and it is not compliant and they shouldn't have to opt out of something they never opted in to. You shouldn't be defending this affiliate, you should be terminating him for spam. __________________ LIZZIE

08-29-2005, 07:57 AM	#53
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	Ok here are a few headers of his from back in may.. (btw there aren't for perfectgonzo but it's the same guy and the same style as the one's I was complaining about) From "Acquiesce V. Illustrator" <[email protected]> To Crockett <[email protected]> Date Thu, 05 May 2005 01:44:17 -0400 Subject SEXUALLY-EXPLICIT: Guy Licks Girls Nipples And Clit! CamShowSluts ------------------------------------------------------------------- From "Blackboard I. Cornrowing" <[email protected]> To Crockett <[email protected]> Date Tue, 03 May 2005 20:17:58 -0400 Subject SEXUALLY-EXPLICIT: Guy Fucks Blonde Girls Brains Out! BlowQueen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are a few of his headers from back in May that I missed and didn't get in my delete bin. Every single mail he sends is using a different from name. He changes domains according to the FTC and Can Spam.. http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/canspam.htm It bans false or misleading header information. Your email's "From," "To," and routing information ? including the originating domain name and email address ? must be accurate and identify the person who initiated the email. Also in the messages themselves.. Where is his physical postal address? According to Can Spam. It requires that commercial email be identified as an advertisement and include the sender's valid physical postal address. Your message must contain clear and conspicuous notice that the message is an advertisement or solicitation and that the recipient can opt out of receiving more commercial email from you. It also must include your valid physical postal address. He is posting the program address and not his. It clearly says sender's. valid physical postal address not the affiliate programs address. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator. Last edited by crockett; 08-29-2005 at 07:59 AM..

08-29-2005, 08:00 AM	#60
Michael O More Cowbell Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nakhom Nowhere Posts: 10,607	nm...... __________________ Truth Teller

08-29-2005, 08:05 AM	#66
Trent Edison Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Freeport 7 Posts: 6,132	What happened to Dean Capture? I probably was drinking and totally missed it... __________________

08-29-2005, 08:17 AM	#75
Michael O More Cowbell Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nakhom Nowhere Posts: 10,607	We've already wasted enough time in this thread. Step up show where your spammer got his email from and it will save us a lot of time both now and in the future. __________________ Truth Teller

08-29-2005, 07:55 AM	#51
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	50 Woj OWNED

08-29-2005, 07:57 AM	#55
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	Dave can I get a pass to PG sites if possible? juicy @ nymalegigolos.com Thanks yo.

08-29-2005, 08:12 AM	#70
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	Dave btw , can i chop up vids and use em in 30 sec clips for promo -Juicy

08-29-2005, 08:27 AM	#84
Michael O More Cowbell Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nakhom Nowhere Posts: 10,607	How about it crockett mail David you email address and he will post here where you opted in for this OK with you? __________________ Truth Teller

08-29-2005, 08:44 AM	#93
dirtydesignz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Playa de los Playas :) Posts: 1,815	David, I think you are missing the point. Maybe the layout and set up of the mailings is legit, but you have webmasters telling you that they NEVER opted into the mail list, but are receiving up to 10 spam emails a day from one of your affiliates. It has nothing to do with headers or content...but these guys said they never opted in, so why haven't you terminated this affiliate for spamming? __________________ LIZZIE

08-29-2005, 08:51 AM	#94
broke Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Someplace Windy Posts: 4,501	Acct: 636748 Thanks. __________________ Perfect Gonzo

08-29-2005, 08:58 AM	#97
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	This is not REAL DRAMA!! __________________ I'm just a newbie.

08-29-2005, 09:00 AM	#98
Mr. Soul Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Manhattan Posts: 1,633	An affiliate program spamming counts as "real drama" these days?

08-29-2005, 09:03 AM	#100
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	David, I wanted to talk to you about something. Where can i icq you or drop an email ?