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  • eroswebmaster
    March 1st, 2003
    • Jul 2001
    • 20295

    #1

    If the DOJ / FBI / IRS is reading this. This is how you get rid of

    some of the biggest guys in porn.

    There is a thing called shaving.

    Shaving is when you send hard earned traffic to a sponsor and they through the use of their affiliate tracking script skim sales from you.

    Usually it's a %.

    We as webmasters just accept it now as a cost of doing business, much like the prison bitch just accepts getting traded in the yard for a pack of Lucky Strikes.

    Over the years you have attempted fighting porn and it's proliferation across the net. I have your answer.

    Look into the shaving.

    Quit trying to get these guys on obscenity. Community standards have changed from some to none so GO AFTER THE MONEY!

    How?

    1. You could infiltrate some of the bigger companies by approaching one of their programmers, affiliate reps. Offer to cut him / her a deal that would keep them out of jail or losing valuable posessions when you guys slam them with RICO.

    2. This may be entrapment. But develop your own software to sell to these companies with the newest, latest shaving devices.

    3. Start your own affiliate program and get wined and dined by companies offering their affiliate management software, a few $'s a nod and a wink and you'll be in like Flynn. They will set you up with the extra special version that everyone else claims they don't have.

    That's it.

    I can't do all of the work for you. You have to do some of it on your own.

    Good luck. And if you need anymore ideas, or how about a general direction to point you in. Hit me up on ICQ.
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  • JD
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Sep 2003
    • 22651

    #2
    oh snap!

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    • Headless
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      • Jan 2001
      • 26727

      #3
      HAHAHAHA Great post!!!!!!!!!!!111

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      • thaifan99
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        • Jul 2003
        • 3029

        #4
        hehehe.... this could be a long runner!
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        • simple simon
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          • Jan 2005
          • 854

          #5
          we all know its true
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          • p1mpdogg
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Nov 2002
            • 16714

            #6
            you could have spent that 2 hrs typing that post attempting to get galleries listed on the hun :/
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            • Jeff aka NIGHTfall
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              • Oct 2003
              • 5162

              #7
              sig spot

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              • Paraskass
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                • May 2002
                • 5829

                #8
                FBI, please see sig.

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                • eroswebmaster
                  March 1st, 2003
                  • Jul 2001
                  • 20295

                  #9
                  Originally posted by p1mpdogg
                  you could have spent that 2 hrs typing that post attempting to get galleries listed on the hun :/
                  That took me about 10 minutes...LOL
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                  • Makingcoin
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                    • Aug 2002
                    • 8919

                    #10

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                    • escorpio
                      I love to racism, bro!
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 23487

                      #11
                      It's not shaving it's just a glitch.
                      Unvaxxed, still alive.

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                      • $5 submissions
                        I help you SUCCEED
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 32195

                        #12
                        Actually, if they really wanted to crack down, it's easier.... they can lean on the FTC to

                        Require mandatory client consent or notification for rebills.

                        Of course, this will go under the slogan of "protecting consumers"

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                        • sexxxydesign.com
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                          • Feb 2005
                          • 1281

                          #13
                          actually the gov shuld get into the porn business to fight the huge deficit..

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                          • Easton
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                            • Sep 2002
                            • 9825

                            #14
                            hahahahaha... that's great!
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                            • Spunky
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                              • Jun 2002
                              • 133986

                              #15

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                              • bjjb
                                Have laptop will travel
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 13074

                                #16
                                Originally posted by xxxeneizexxx
                                actually the gov shuld get into the porn business to fight the huge deficit..
                                NOw thats a novel idea

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                                • JD
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Sep 2003
                                  • 22651

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by $5 submissions
                                  Actually, if they really wanted to crack down, it's easier.... they can lean on the FTC to

                                  Require mandatory client consent or notification for rebills.

                                  Of course, this will go under the slogan of "protecting consumers"
                                  SHHHHHHHHHHH!

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                                  • tony299
                                    lurker
                                    • Aug 2002
                                    • 57021

                                    #18
                                    first why do you all give it such a nice name Shaving. Call it for what it is Stealing but on the other hand . Affiliates want:
                                    free hosted galleries
                                    outragious commissions $1 trial $40 comm
                                    higher percentage of the join for life of join
                                    big prizes ,trips
                                    Plus their dick sucked at conventions, dinners, parties, hot models running around plus freebie gifts.
                                    The numbers dont work folks when you add everything in.

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                                    • seeric
                                      ..........
                                      • Aug 2004
                                      • 41917

                                      #19
                                      not the smartest post i've seen someone make.

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                                      • eroswebmaster
                                        March 1st, 2003
                                        • Jul 2001
                                        • 20295

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by A1R3K
                                        not the smartest post i've seen someone make.
                                        I've already been contacted.

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                                        • tristan_D
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                                          • Jul 2005
                                          • 7865

                                          #21
                                          I'm sure there are feds reading this.
                                          Increase your sales. Up to $4 per click.

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                                          • devilspost
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                                            • Feb 2004
                                            • 3980

                                            #22
                                            I dont want my dick sucked I want to put food on my family! lol

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                                            • $5 submissions
                                              I help you SUCCEED
                                              • Nov 2003
                                              • 32195

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by A1R3K
                                              not the smartest post i've seen someone make.
                                              It's actually a decent bit of board promotions--use a provocative title, focus on an emotional trigger, get the click, layout a plausible situation. Zero in on a topic that won't blowback on your sponsor. In this case, shaving... by focusing attention on a perceived industry problem, the sponsor in the sig is read to be above that problem. Nice technique and crafty allocation of basic drama elements.

                                              Definitely better than the more amorphous but highly dramatic posts that focus on ethnic/religious/racial/personality issues that have a high chance of backfiring. Sure this posting technique generates a lot of noise but a lot of it may be negative and self-damaging.

                                              It's a good post if you look it at from a certain angle
                                              Last edited by $5 submissions; 08-25-2005, 09:09 PM.

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                                              • mrkris
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                                                • May 2005
                                                • 2737

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                first why do you all give it such a nice name Shaving. Call it for what it is Stealing but on the other hand . Affiliates want:
                                                free hosted galleries
                                                outragious commissions $1 trial $40 comm
                                                higher percentage of the join for life of join
                                                big prizes ,trips
                                                Plus their dick sucked at conventions, dinners, parties, hot models running around plus freebie gifts.
                                                The numbers dont work folks when you add everything in.
                                                Perhaps, but not all of us ask for that shit, so don't charge us all.

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                                                • 3piece chicken Dinner
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                                                  • Jan 2005
                                                  • 1065

                                                  #25
                                                  The only hole in your theory Eros is that shaving is only percieved to happen. It's a myth created by untalented webmasters to make themselves feel better about poor ratio's and lack of sales. I am sure that everyone has their books in order and can account for the money generated from every signup and it will reconcile perfectly with their join numbers.

                                                  But if someone were shaving, this would be the way to shut that shit down.
                                                  "We are told to let our light shine, and if it does, we won't need to tell anybody it does. Lighthouses don't fire cannons to call attention to their shining- they just shine."

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                                                  • tony299
                                                    lurker
                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                    • 57021

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by mrkris
                                                    Perhaps, but not all of us ask for that shit, so don't charge us all.
                                                    Your right im sorry ,I shouldnt of made a generalization but if a program opened tomorrow with no hosted galleries ,chances are they would die on the vine.

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                                                    • 3piece chicken Dinner
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jan 2005
                                                      • 1065

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by tony404
                                                      Your right im sorry ,I shouldnt of made a generalization but if a program opened tomorrow with no hosted galleries ,chances are they would die on the vine.

                                                      Chances are??? tony404 you are being much to optomistic.

                                                      If they don't have FHG's , and free hosting and offer at least 35 per sign up or at LEAST 60% they will sit and spin. and don't forget to pay the hype machine. 15k board skins and monthy sig expenses. NO SHOT at all.

                                                      But this is actually the fault of the offending companies. I've seen it with my own two eyes.

                                                      You can offer w/m's 25.00 pps or you can offer them 40.00 pps.

                                                      @ 25.00 pps they can convert at 1:400
                                                      @ 40.00 pps they can convert at 1:750

                                                      And 99% will choose the 40.00 PPS because company A pays more PPS.
                                                      They are retarded and live in a dream world where 1+1=5 and a free Xbox.

                                                      Retarded the whole bunch.
                                                      "We are told to let our light shine, and if it does, we won't need to tell anybody it does. Lighthouses don't fire cannons to call attention to their shining- they just shine."

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                                                      • BlackCrayon
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                        • 19634

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                        not the smartest post i've seen someone make.
                                                        don't know if its serious or not but i wouldn't shed a tear if programs that really shaved were gone. it would force some honesty in this business.
                                                        you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                        • Michael O
                                                          More Cowbell
                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                          • 10607

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by eroswebmaster
                                                          2. This may be entrapment. But develop your own software to sell to these companies with the newest, latest shaving devices.
                                                          Didn't they try to do that with MPA?
                                                          Truth Teller

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                                                          • sltr
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                            • 3191

                                                            #30
                                                            how does shaving fall under RICO?

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                                                            • Sly
                                                              Let's do some business!
                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                              • 31376

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by tony404
                                                              Your right im sorry ,I shouldnt of made a generalization but if a program opened tomorrow with no hosted galleries ,chances are they would die on the vine.
                                                              My top performing program doesn't have hosted galleries or free content. Weee!

                                                              Tony you don't have affiliates, do you? Awful strong opinions when you don't even have affiliates to base them off of.
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                                                              • eroswebmaster
                                                                March 1st, 2003
                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                • 20295

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by sltr
                                                                how does shaving fall under RICO?
                                                                Research RICO. It falls under organized crime which a company shaving would as well.

                                                                There would be a conspiracy to defraud, whatever. It's not up to me to figure out the charges..it's up to them. ;)

                                                                Also:
                                                                In the 1980's, however, civil lawyers noticed section 1964(c) of the RICO Act, which allows civil claims to be brought by any person injured in their business or property by reason of a RICO violation. Any person who succeeded in establishing a civil RICO claim would automatically receive judgment in the amount of three times their actual damages and would be awarded their costs and attorneys' fees.
                                                                So what does that mean for webmasters?

                                                                If you can prove it in court you got some bling coming to you. ;)
                                                                Last edited by eroswebmaster; 08-25-2005, 09:32 PM.
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                                                                • Shoehorn!
                                                                  Die With Your Boots On
                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                  • 22872

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by 3piece chicken Dinner
                                                                  And 99% will choose the 40.00 PPS because company A pays more PPS.
                                                                  They are retarded and live in a dream world where 1+1=5 and a free Xbox.
                                                                  Last edited by Shoehorn!; 08-25-2005, 09:33 PM.

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                                                                  • BlackCrayon
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                    • 19634

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Sly
                                                                    My top performing program doesn't have hosted galleries or free content. Weee!

                                                                    Tony you don't have affiliates, do you? Awful strong opinions when you don't even have affiliates to base them off of.
                                                                    yeah, i prefer to promote sponsors who don't offer all that shit. i miss the old days when it was get your own content or get the fuck out. not that i don't like free content, i do because it matches the site im pushing but everyone is so fucking lazy these days, they don't even want to make simple webpages.
                                                                    you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                                    • TheDoc
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                      • 13827

                                                                      #35
                                                                      It wouldn't be that hard to catch programs shaving. It would take 10 to 20 webmasters to work together.. Send some real traffic but not a lot, just enough to have some clicks and maybe a few real joins.. Then, each day, at a set time, a webmaster pulls out a CC and purchases a membership. A mixture of trials, full months, and a few 3 months.. Spread it out over a few weeks so no alarms go off.

                                                                      When a sale doesn?t show, game is over..


                                                                      You could even send the check back and tell the sponsor the passed the shave test..
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                                                                      • bhutocracy
                                                                        Not making A Comeback
                                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                                        • 10218

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by $5 submissions
                                                                        Actually, if they really wanted to crack down, it's easier.... they can lean on the FTC to

                                                                        Require mandatory client consent or notification for rebills.

                                                                        Of course, this will go under the slogan of "protecting consumers"

                                                                        No rebills wouldn't kill the industry like people think it would, affiliates would probably feel it more than program owners with quality sites..

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                                                                        • escorpio
                                                                          I love to racism, bro!
                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                          • 23487

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by 3piece chicken Dinner
                                                                          1+1=5 and a free Xbox.
                                                                          Unvaxxed, still alive.

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                                                                          • throwdown
                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                            • Aug 2005
                                                                            • 997

                                                                            #38
                                                                            fuck .mil .gov

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                                                                            • Dagwolf
                                                                              President of Canada
                                                                              • Sep 2003
                                                                              • 23141

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Sly
                                                                              My top performing program doesn't have hosted galleries or free content. Weee!

                                                                              Tony you don't have affiliates, do you? Awful strong opinions when you don't even have affiliates to base them off of.
                                                                              Actually he does have affiliates.
                                                                              Sleep well, and dream of large women.

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                                                                              • xNetworx
                                                                                So Fucking What
                                                                                • Jan 2004
                                                                                • 14445

                                                                                #40
                                                                                This post was a bad idea. Why ASK the government to fuck with us? One day this guy is posting about meatloaf sammiches and the next he is trying to bring heat on the industry. Not too bright

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                                                                                • throwdown
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • Aug 2005
                                                                                  • 997

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by pimpporn
                                                                                  This post was a bad idea. Why ASK the government to fuck with us? One day this guy is posting about meatloaf sammiches and the next he is trying to bring heat on the industry. Not too bright
                                                                                  bringing heat to practice of shaving?

                                                                                  thats not a bad thing at all.

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                                                                                  • Sly
                                                                                    Let's do some business!
                                                                                    • Sep 2004
                                                                                    • 31376

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Dagwolf
                                                                                    Actually he does have affiliates.
                                                                                    When did he start accepting affiliates? I'm glad he did, I'm sure its helped out the site a great deal.
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                                                                                    • escorpio
                                                                                      I love to racism, bro!
                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                      • 23487

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by throwdown
                                                                                      bringing heat to practice of shaving?

                                                                                      thats not a bad thing at all.
                                                                                      Neither are meatloaf sandwiches.
                                                                                      Unvaxxed, still alive.

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                                                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                        • 30307

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Allah Ackbar!

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                                                                                        • xNetworx
                                                                                          So Fucking What
                                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                                          • 14445

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by throwdown
                                                                                          bringing heat to practice of shaving?

                                                                                          thats not a bad thing at all.
                                                                                          you think the government wants to protect your porn mongering ass???

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                                                                                          • emthree
                                                                                            Dialer Kingpin
                                                                                            • Jun 2003
                                                                                            • 10816

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                            Allah Ackbar!
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                                                                                            • beemk
                                                                                              CLICK HERE
                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                              • 20829

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                              first why do you all give it such a nice name Shaving. Call it for what it is Stealing but on the other hand . Affiliates want:
                                                                                              free hosted galleries
                                                                                              outragious commissions $1 trial $40 comm
                                                                                              higher percentage of the join for life of join
                                                                                              big prizes ,trips
                                                                                              Plus their dick sucked at conventions, dinners, parties, hot models running around plus freebie gifts.
                                                                                              The numbers dont work folks when you add everything in.
                                                                                              oh you're right, its ok to steal because the affiliates ask for too much. well guess what? no one is forcing anyone to take these affiliates. have you eve heard of supply and demand? just because you arent knowledgeable enough to run a successfull pps program doesnt mean there isnt anyone else out there that is.
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                                                                                              • Temp1
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • May 2005
                                                                                                • 180

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                It is much better to have self-regulatory groups in place to investigate/report unethical (putting it mildly) practices like shaving then to have the gov't come in and start babysitting (again, putting it mildly).

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                                                                                                • subVERSION
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jun 2005
                                                                                                  • 235

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by $5 submissions
                                                                                                  It's actually a decent bit of board promotions--use a provocative title, focus on an emotional trigger, get the click, layout a plausible situation. Zero in on a topic that won't blowback on your sponsor. In this case, shaving... by focusing attention on a perceived industry problem, the sponsor in the sig is read to be above that problem. Nice technique and crafty allocation of basic drama elements.

                                                                                                  Definitely better than the more amorphous but highly dramatic posts that focus on ethnic/religious/racial/personality issues that have a high chance of backfiring. Sure this posting technique generates a lot of noise but a lot of it may be negative and self-damaging.

                                                                                                  It's a good post if you look it at from a certain angle

                                                                                                  Exactly what I was thinking.
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                                                                                                  • wargames
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                                                                                                    • May 2003
                                                                                                    • 10423

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    I cant stop laughing

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