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throwdown 08-26-2005 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by pimpporn
This post was a bad idea. Why ASK the government to fuck with us? One day this guy is posting about meatloaf sammiches and the next he is trying to bring heat on the industry. Not too bright :disgust
bringing heat to practice of shaving?

thats not a bad thing at all.

Sly 08-26-2005 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Dagwolf
Actually he does have affiliates.
When did he start accepting affiliates? I'm glad he did, I'm sure its helped out the site a great deal.

escorpio 08-26-2005 12:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by throwdown
bringing heat to practice of shaving?

thats not a bad thing at all.
Neither are meatloaf sandwiches. :2 cents:

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-26-2005 12:11 AM
Allah Ackbar!

xNetworx 08-26-2005 12:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by throwdown
bringing heat to practice of shaving?

thats not a bad thing at all.
you think the government wants to protect your porn mongering ass???

emthree 08-26-2005 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by AlienQ
Allah Ackbar!
DURKA DURKA JIHAD :thumbsup

beemk 08-26-2005 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by tony404
first why do you all give it such a nice name Shaving. Call it for what it is Stealing but on the other hand . Affiliates want:
free hosted galleries
outragious commissions $1 trial $40 comm
higher percentage of the join for life of join
big prizes ,trips
Plus their dick sucked at conventions, dinners, parties, hot models running around plus freebie gifts.
The numbers dont work folks when you add everything in.
oh you're right, its ok to steal because the affiliates ask for too much. well guess what? no one is forcing anyone to take these affiliates. have you eve heard of supply and demand? just because you arent knowledgeable enough to run a successfull pps program doesnt mean there isnt anyone else out there that is.

Temp1 08-26-2005 12:17 AM
It is much better to have self-regulatory groups in place to investigate/report unethical (putting it mildly) practices like shaving then to have the gov't come in and start babysitting (again, putting it mildly).

subVERSION 08-26-2005 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by $5 submissions
It's actually a decent bit of board promotions--use a provocative title, focus on an emotional trigger, get the click, layout a plausible situation. Zero in on a topic that won't blowback on your sponsor. In this case, shaving... by focusing attention on a perceived industry problem, the sponsor in the sig is read to be above that problem. Nice technique and crafty allocation of basic drama elements.

Definitely better than the more amorphous but highly dramatic posts that focus on ethnic/religious/racial/personality issues that have a high chance of backfiring. Sure this posting technique generates a lot of noise but a lot of it may be negative and self-damaging.

It's a good post if you look it at from a certain angle :thumbsup

Exactly what I was thinking. :thumbsup

wargames 08-26-2005 12:35 AM
:1orglaugh I cant stop laughing

brilliant :thumbsup

woj 08-26-2005 12:35 AM
50...........

$5 submissions 08-26-2005 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by bhutocracy
program owners with quality sites..
I think this is the key phrase. Since not everyone runs quality user-centric/niche-centric sites there would be a lot of fallout. :2 cents:

Rui 08-26-2005 02:32 AM
LOL funny stuff...you are actualy rigth on the money tho

PrintAdult 08-26-2005 03:45 AM
Nice Thread! Umm by the way , Hello to the men in black!

Linkster 08-26-2005 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc
It wouldn't be that hard to catch programs shaving. It would take 10 to 20 webmasters to work together.. Send some real traffic but not a lot, just enough to have some clicks and maybe a few real joins.. Then, each day, at a set time, a webmaster pulls out a CC and purchases a membership. A mixture of trials, full months, and a few 3 months.. Spread it out over a few weeks so no alarms go off.
When a sale doesn?t show, game is over..
..
From what Ive heard someone is already doing that currently - I havent heard the results yet - would love to see what they come up with

eroswebmaster 08-26-2005 06:04 AM
Bump for the agents on day shift.

titmowse 08-26-2005 06:05 AM
I love the smell of G-Men in the morning. :)

mardigras 08-26-2005 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Linkster
From what Ive heard someone is already doing that currently - I havent heard the results yet - would love to see what they come up with
LOL, I'm surprised that 20/20 hasn't had some of their reporters become temporary "undercover" webmasters... they love reporting on the adult industry :upsidedow

mikeyddddd 08-26-2005 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by devilspost
I dont want my dick sucked I want to put food on my family! lol
W loves you.

u-Bob 08-26-2005 07:12 AM
this one deserves a BUMP :) :) :) :) :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

jimmyf 08-26-2005 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon
don't know if its serious or not but i wouldn't shed a tear if programs that really shaved were gone. it would force some honesty in this business.
cuncur...

Ace of Spades 08-26-2005 07:45 AM
I would much rather they figure a way to rid of some of the idiots in this biz, like the many posting in this thread.

It's not hard for someone to figure out who shaves and who doesn't, if they have any understanding of their traffic and what it's worth!

XxXotic 08-26-2005 09:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404
first why do you all give it such a nice name Shaving. Call it for what it is Stealing but on the other hand . Affiliates want:
free hosted galleries
outragious commissions $1 trial $40 comm
higher percentage of the join for life of join
big prizes ,trips
Plus their dick sucked at conventions, dinners, parties, hot models running around plus freebie gifts.
The numbers dont work folks when you add everything in.
so that justifies theft? Remind me not to send you any traffic

Breakyourself 08-26-2005 10:08 AM
you're a twat!!!

Sarah_Jayne 08-26-2005 10:12 AM
According to a thread last week you should now be dragged out of your car and beaten to death.

tony286 08-26-2005 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by XxXotic
so that justifies theft? Remind me not to send you any traffic
Im not saying it justifies theft Im saying, to give the affiliate all they want and still stay in business .I can see how the practice can happen. I dont have a affiliate program and if I did no no one would join because I couldnt afford to give away the house. Im going to say join my program I will give you 10 dollars a sale and you host your own galleries but I can guarantee I will not shave. No one would join, only my friends who like me or take pity on me would lol.
My experience with affiliates was in main stream I ran a program for a publicly traded .com and I had P@L responsiblity .

3piece chicken Dinner 08-26-2005 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by tony404
Im going to say join my program I will give you 10 dollars a sale and you host your own galleries but I can guarantee I will not shave. No one would join.


actually you could pay what you charge, and you should set up for retention. So you'll end up with a real number of 25.00 per sale to be comfortable. Until you have solid retention numbers and then you could decide how much and if to increase payouts. But you sure can't start at 40. per sale and decrease it.


I understand your point tony. authough it's really and honestly not as cut and dry as you have put it, you're on the correct path with your thinking.

It's a very rare case when you will see a NEW pps come out of the blocks at 40.00 per sale and live to tell you about it later.

eroswebmaster 08-26-2005 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc
According to a thread last week you should now be dragged out of your car and beaten to death.
:1orglaugh

Doctor Dre 08-26-2005 08:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404
first why do you all give it such a nice name Shaving. Call it for what it is Stealing but on the other hand . Affiliates want:
free hosted galleries
outragious commissions $1 trial $40 comm
higher percentage of the join for life of join
big prizes ,trips
Plus their dick sucked at conventions, dinners, parties, hot models running around plus freebie gifts.
The numbers dont work folks when you add everything in.
The sponsors decided to give that to affiliates ... they make competition between themselves ... their fucking problem if they offer something they can't deliver ...

BDSMpersonals 09-07-2005 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner
The only hole in your theory Eros is that shaving is only percieved to happen. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh It's a myth created by untalented webmasters to make themselves feel better about poor ratio's and lack of sales. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh I am sure that everyone has their books in order and can account for the money generated from every signup and it will reconcile perfectly with their join numbers. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

But if someone were shaving, this would be the way to shut that shit down.
A few years ago I was shopping for affiliate tracking/reporting sw, and the seller, who I will not name, did whisper in my ear that his system had built-in shaving, if I wanted it. Just dial it in, it's a config variable.

I did not use that system.

Yet, I have doubts that programs can be nabbed this way because shaving also happens all the time, for legitimate reasons. The more the feds delve into this the more they'll see that it's not worth pursuing.

The affiliate tracking script sellers, otoh, might be easily doable if they still offer shaving as a feature. Pretty hard to explain away why they have you on tape describing how their shaving feature works.

Ray Nagin 09-07-2005 10:16 PM
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=513751

fris 09-08-2005 04:10 AM
this post sponsored by brad shaw, and exec stats.

Hooligan 05-14-2006 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by A1R3K
not the smartest post i've seen someone make.
What are you afraid of? Does your program shave?

Good post if you ask me.

Hooligan 05-14-2006 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by XxXotic
so that justifies theft? Remind me not to send you any traffic
Tony404 doesnt have a program. In fact, he isn't even a webmaster, All hes got is a post count.

Shaving is theft and programs who do it are lowlife scumbags.

devilspost 05-14-2006 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Hooligan
What are you afraid of? Does your program shave?

Good post if you ask me.
He is talking about the DOJ FBI IRS angle. dumbass:1orglaugh

Manowar 05-14-2006 06:45 AM
Man i remember this thread

Barefootsies 05-14-2006 07:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404
first why do you all give it such a nice name Shaving. Call it for what it is Stealing but on the other hand . Affiliates want:
free hosted galleries
outragious commissions $1 trial $40 comm
higher percentage of the join for life of join
big prizes ,trips
Plus their dick sucked at conventions, dinners, parties, hot models running around plus freebie gifts.
The numbers dont work folks when you add everything in.
True dat.

While I do not agree or condone shaving. It's the cost of doing business. They have to balance their books somehow.

:2 cents:


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