Why are paysite programs paying out 50/50 when others don't? - GoFuckYourself.com

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 07:02 PM

Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
cam companies 35%
VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

why doesn't everyone pay 50/50

TheDoc · 08-25-2005, 07:04 PM

Profit margin are small on VOD and sextoys.. Not sure why on cam sites..

seven · 08-25-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
cam companies 35%
VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

why doesn't everyone pay 50/50

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chadglni · 08-25-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
cam companies 35%
VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

why doesn't everyone pay 50/50

How would a cam company pay 50%? I always thought that was pretty obvious.

wargames · 08-25-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
cam companies 35%
VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

why doesn't everyone pay 50/50

Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30% (cost of product)
cam companies 35% (paying the girls)
VOD pay per minute video companies 30% (paying the producers)

datatank · 08-25-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
cam companies 35%
VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

why doesn't everyone pay 50/50

Ask Amazon.com

Sly · 08-25-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Profit margin are small on VOD and sextoys.. Not sure why on cam sites..

The cam models need to make a nice chunk in order to keep them coming back. More hands in the pot.

tony286 · 08-25-2005, 07:05 PM

well probably cam companies have to pay out models so less of the pie.

chadglni · 08-25-2005, 07:05 PM

And the question is, why don't you pay out 30% instead of 50?

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Profit margin are small on VOD and sextoys.. Not sure why on cam sites..

Still it's 50/50 I don't get it.

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wargames

Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30% (cost of product)
cam companies 35% (paying the girls)
VOD pay per minute video companies 30% (paying the producers)

So we have to pay for the bandwith, girls,and tons of other things

wargames · 08-25-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Still it's 50/50 I don't get it.

It is a 3 way split.

vod producer/owner/webmaster
cam girl/owner/webmaster
sex toy product/owner/webmaster

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank

Ask Amazon.com

Fuck them they don't even payout there affliates.

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

well probably cam companies have to pay out models so less of the pie.

I have to pay the models upfront on shoots. they don't until they make money

wargames · 08-25-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

So we have to pay for the bandwith, girls,and tons of other things

but they are paying bandwidth and tons of other things as well. When you shoot or buy your own content you keep making money on that for a while.

Mutt · 08-25-2005, 07:09 PM

toy stores could easily pay 50/50 on sex toys - huge markup on sex toys - not as big on DVDs.

and the PPV people can't pay 50/50 - producer needs to be paid a hefty % or the PPV wouldn't have the product. same goes for the live webcam people.

paysites can get away with paying 50-70% because most of them have little costs to start up or maintain.

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

And the question is, why don't you pay out 30% instead of 50?

I payout $30 upfront whether I make a dime or not.

Sly · 08-25-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

I have to pay the models upfront on shoots. they don't until they make money

Paying a model up-front is totally different from paying a cam model. I'm sure Lars would be happy to break it down.

TheDoc · 08-25-2005, 07:10 PM

VOD also has to pay a lease streaming services too.

Logan Videos · 08-25-2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
cam companies 35%
VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

why doesn't everyone pay 50/50

Because somes sites have a bigger profit margin than other sites

synapse · 08-25-2005, 07:11 PM

We can pay out 50% or even more because our cam site doesn't rely on models, our site is 100% real people

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

toy stores could easily pay 50/50 on sex toys - huge markup on sex toys - not as big on DVDs.

and the PPV people can't pay 50/50 - producer needs to be paid a hefty % or the PPV wouldn't have the product. same goes for the live webcam people.

paysites can get away with paying 50-70% because most of them have little costs to start up or maintain.

I disagree on the little cost but you all have been conditoned well

Personally I think everyone should be paying out 50/50 or per trial

BVF · 08-25-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

So we have to pay for the bandwith, girls,and tons of other things

COGS = Cost Of Goods Sold.......It costs less per unit to produce online porn than it does to produce hard goods. Once you shoot the porn, the cost to deliver it is a FRACTION of the cost to deliver each "unit" of a hard good which would require packing, shipping, etc....

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Paying a model up-front is totally different from paying a cam model. I'm sure Lars would be happy to break it down.

we have to pay for hosted galleries, banners designers etc.

they don't because most of them go into members sections etc.and its the same template.

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF

COGS = Cost Of Goods Sold.......It costs less per unit to produce online porn than it does to produce hard goods. Once you shoot the porn, the cost to deliver it is a FRACTION of the cost to deliver each "unit" of a hard good which would require packing, shipping, etc....

but we have to constantly deliver new goods to get the traffic since everyone only promotes exclusive and new fresh faces mainly

Sly · 08-25-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

I disagree on the little cost but you all have been conditoned well

Personally I think everyone should be paying out 50/50 or per trial

Roger, just say you pay $2k a hardcore scene. That movie can be viewed over and over again by thousands of visitors. You have a fixed cost, but you can sell it an infinite amount of times.

With cams, every session is 100% unique. Every visitor receives a new "movie" custom to his desires. That session cannot be sold to another visitor, they don't want it.

Do you see the difference now? Mutt knows plenty about the content business.

chadglni · 08-25-2005, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

I payout $30 upfront whether I make a dime or not.

One of the cam sites I promote pays out $40 to $80 up front regardless of whether or not they make a dime.

Are you just trolling or what?

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Roger, just say you pay $2k a hardcore scene. That movie can be viewed over and over again by thousands of visitors. You have a fixed cost, but you can sell it an infinite amount of times.

With cams, every session is 100% unique. Every visitor receives a new "movie" custom to his desires. That session cannot be sold to another visitor, they don't want it.

Do you see the difference now? Mutt knows plenty about the content business.

I still don't get it and I'm not Dumb..

In order for me to get that new customer i need to shoot new exclusive content, host the bandwidth for it and continue to update members section which cost money. and pay out 50%

they don't have to pay for anything upfront until the clock start ticking or someone purchases an item. no risk at all

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

One of the cam sites I promote pays out $40 to $80 up front regardless of whether or not they make a dime.

Are you just trolling or what?

really who pays that? I'd like to try them out

I just know they can all afford to payout more

and I'm also trolling a little

Doctor Dre · 08-25-2005, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
cam companies 35%
VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

why doesn't everyone pay 50/50

Now that's an easy question ...

The cost of your product dosen't grow up with the ammount of membership you are selling (except for the hosting bill ... wich is not that bad compared to production cost when you are average size). The cost of a sex toy is always the asme for every sale ... so he can't give out a commission as big as a site that got virtually no per item cost would.

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

Now that's an easy question ...

The cost of your product dosen't grow up with the ammount of membership you are selling (except for the hosting bill ... wich is not that bad compared to production cost when you are average size). The cost of a sex toy is always the asme for every sale ... so he can't give out a commission as big as a site that got virtually no per item cost would.

you like sending to sites that don't update which cost alot money

Sly · 08-25-2005, 07:33 PM

Funny thing about Roger's threads... I know he's a smart guy, a go getter. But his threads drive me absolutely crazy because I want to smack him after some of the questions he "asks". Haha.

Damn you Roger!

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Funny thing about Roger's threads... I know he's a smart guy, a go getter. But his threads drive me absolutely crazy because I want to smack him after some of the questions he "asks". Haha.

Damn you Roger!

Its one of those threads that just asks for drama

10% of our webmasters use rev-share shit we pay up front wether we make money or not. LOL

I just don't get how these companies have been able to keep there payouts low it's not like they have any risk.

I understand how all the models work and i know they could all raise there payouts some. I personally won't send to anyone who doesn't pay me half there profits unless they take a risk

JD · 08-25-2005, 07:50 PM

i'm making 40% with a certain toy site that wishes to remain nameless.

chadglni · 08-25-2005, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

I still don't get it and I'm not Dumb..

In order for me to get that new customer i need to shoot new exclusive content, host the bandwidth for it and continue to update members section which cost money. and pay out 50%

they don't have to pay for anything upfront until the clock start ticking or someone purchases an item. no risk at all

What difference does that make? When the clock DOES start ticking they pay the cam model 50%. You want them to pay affiliates another 50%? Explain to us simpletons how this will work please.

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

i'm making 40% with a certain toy site that wishes to remain nameless.

See I bet you can get 50% out of them

chadglni · 08-25-2005, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

I understand how all the models work and i know they could all raise there payouts some. I personally won't send to anyone who doesn't pay me half there profits unless they take a risk

They do pay you half the profits.

40% to 50% to the girl, 10% to 20% for all other expenses like hosting, billing, etc. , leaving about 40%. Most cam sites pay 20% revshare of gross which equals near 50% of profit.

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

What difference does that make? When the clock DOES start ticking they pay the cam model 50%. You want them to pay affiliates another 50%? Explain to us simpletons how this will work please.

Affiliates get 50% and they split 50% then you can compare it to how we pay on trial. if we are talking about margins

pay the models less shit 90% are in russia

chadglni · 08-25-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Affiliates get 50% and they split 50% then you can compare it to how we pay on trial. if we are talking about margins

pay the models less

As soon as they pay the models less their site goes to shit. I'll just assume you're joking and leave this thread because this is sad.

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

As soon as they pay the models less their site goes to shit. I'll just assume you're joking and leave this thread because this is sad.

most of the models are in russia working in staged housing I bet the models don't make shit.

but what do I know.

chadglni · 08-25-2005, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

most of the models are in russia working in staged housing I bet the models don't make shit.

but what do I know.

Not much it seems.

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 08:09 PM

what about the VOD companies and Sexstores?

or are they paying everyone 50%

I just don't get anything anymore

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

Not much it seems.

You must be right I better remove my sig and just call it a day.

I've always wanted to flip burgers

chadglni · 08-25-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

what about the VOD companies and Sexstores?

or are they paying everyone 50%

I just don't get anything anymore

I think you're going to cost yourself affiliates with this thread.

Paparazzi · 08-25-2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Roger, just say you pay $2k a hardcore scene. That movie can be viewed over and over again by thousands of visitors. You have a fixed cost, but you can sell it an infinite amount of times.

With cams, every session is 100% unique. Every visitor receives a new "movie" custom to his desires. That session cannot be sold to another visitor, they don't want it.

Do you see the difference now? Mutt knows plenty about the content business.

ever heard of recorded shows?

FreeHugeMovies · 08-25-2005, 08:13 PM

Roger,

If you would make a VOD company and pay out 50% and remain profitable like the other VOD companies. Then you would be a millionaire

chadglni · 08-25-2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

You must be right I better remove my sig and just call it a day.

I've always wanted to flip burgers

We all know you are a program owner that does ok. Has nothing to do with the idiotic questions you're asking in this thread. Like I said, either you are completely joking or have no clue. Maybe Lars should pay you 2 million a year for your insightful advice since you have all the answers.

oh, and call it a day.

chadglni · 08-25-2005, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Paparazzi

ever heard of recorded shows?

Ever heard of less than 1% of their total income?

AdultInsider Cloner · 08-25-2005, 08:15 PM

something else that is obvious but you should consider, some of these programs that are offering really large payouts and revshare are probably shaving many of your sales to regain the payout back.

RogerV · 08-25-2005, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

I think you're going to cost yourself affiliates with this thread.

I doubt it.. and if I do oh well. they will lose the traffic from my members section. I will survive

I pay per trial up front at take all the risk like most other programs. just wondering why everyone else doesn't have to? its all a numbers game

the strong will survive shit i might just start programs for all of them and create a payout war

08-25-2005, 07:02 PM	#1
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	Why are paysite programs paying out 50/50 when others don't? Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30% cam companies 35% VOD pay per minute video companies 30% why doesn't everyone pay 50/50

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Profit margin are small on VOD and sextoys.. Not sure why on cam sites.. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	toy stores could easily pay 50/50 on sex toys - huge markup on sex toys - not as big on DVDs. and the PPV people can't pay 50/50 - producer needs to be paid a hefty % or the PPV wouldn't have the product. same goes for the live webcam people. paysites can get away with paying 50-70% because most of them have little costs to start up or maintain. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,348	Funny thing about Roger's threads... I know he's a smart guy, a go getter. But his threads drive me absolutely crazy because I want to smack him after some of the questions he "asks". Haha. Damn you Roger! __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	well probably cam companies have to pay out models so less of the pie.

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chadglni Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PEI, Canada Posts: 6,924	And the question is, why don't you pay out 30% instead of 50?

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synapse NameNetwork.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,175	We can pay out 50% or even more because our cam site doesn't rely on models, our site is 100% real people

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JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	i'm making 40% with a certain toy site that wishes to remain nameless.

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RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	what about the VOD companies and Sexstores? or are they paying everyone 50% I just don't get anything anymore

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FreeHugeMovies Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 14,137	Roger, If you would make a VOD company and pay out 50% and remain profitable like the other VOD companies. Then you would be a millionaire

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