Today's society expects instant gratification. However, what we did in Iraq isn't something that can be fixed over night. We went to war with a country, invaded it, overthrew it's government, and now we are in the process rebuilding an entire country, it's government, and all of it's infrastructure. This is not something that happens over night.

How long did it take us to rebuild Europe after WWII? The Marhsall Plan wasn't even introduced until a year after the war ended. And to this day we are still in Japan.

Bush lied and our children died? Our children died under Clinton's watch as well, in Africa. Our goals there have still not been met, there is a war there, and innocent people are being killed every day. For all of the wonderful things Clinton did during his term as President, I wish he had stayed the course there in Africa if only because it was the right thing to do.

Bush is a twat, but we were foolish enough to elect him.

Difference is the country was at war with itself. We didn't attack some fucking sandpit because the oil companies wanted the oil.

Fuck man, get a grip on the real world.

I heard Bush the other day say "democracies don't attack other democracies" that may be true, but he sure didn't have a problem attacking another sovereign nation himself, totally unprovoked.

Back when the speech was given:

"Attention turned Tuesday to a giant "Mission Accomplished" sign that stood behind Bush aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln when he gave the speech May 1.
The president told reporters the sign was put up by the Navy, not the White House.

"I know it was attributed somehow to some ingenious advance man from my staff -- they weren't that ingenious, by the way," the president said Tuesday.
Now his statements are being parsed even further.

Navy and administration sources said that though the banner was the Navy's idea, the White House actually made it.

Bush offered the explanation after being asked whether his speech declaring an end to major combat in Iraq under the "Mission Accomplished" banner was premature, given that U.S. casualties in Iraq since then have surpassed those before it.

source: http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/....accomplished/

He just cant keep his lies straight can he?
:1orglaugh

"africa is a nation" George Idiot Bush 2004

Thats all i have to say

"I think it's very important for the American President to mean what he says. That's why I understand that the enemy could misread what I say. That's why I try to be as clearly I can." ?George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 23, 2004

DUMB FUCK

here's a recent one, apparently he has no idea what a fact is

"The best place for the facts to be done is by somebody who's spending time investigating it." ?George W. Bush, on the probe into how CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity was leaked, Washington D.C., July 18, 2005

50. "I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here." ?at the President's Economic Forum in Waco, Texas, Aug. 13, 2002

49. "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." ?Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

48. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.'' ?Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001

47. "We both use Colgate toothpaste." ?after a reporter asked what he had in common with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Camp David, Md., Feb. 23, 2001

46. "Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're a ? you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." ?Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004 (Watch video)

45. "I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves." ?Washington, D.C., Sept. 21, 2003

44. "I'm the commander ? see, I don't need to explain ? I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president." ?as quoted in Bob Woodward's Bush at War

43. "I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport." ?Washington, D.C., Oct. 3, 2001

42. "The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself." ?Grand Rapids, Mich., Jan. 29, 2003

41. "I saw a poll that said the right track/wrong track in Iraq was better than here in America. It's pretty darn strong. I mean, the people see a better future." ?Washington, D.C., Sept. 23, 2004

40. "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." ?discussing the Iraq war with Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson, as quoted by Robertson

39. "I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." ?presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004 (Watch video)

38. "Haven't we already given money to rich people? Why are we going to do it again?" ?to economic advisers discussing a second round of tax cuts, as quoted by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil, Washington, D.C., Nov. 26, 2002

37. "We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." ?Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002

36. "After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain, we will not have an all-volunteer army. And yet, this week ? we will have an all-volunteer army!" ?Daytona Beach, Fla., Oct. 16, 2004 (Watch video)

35. "Do you have blacks, too?" ?to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001

34. "This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating." ?as quoted by the New York Daily News, April 23, 2002

33. "I got to know Ken Lay when he was head of the ? what they call the Governor's Business Council in Texas. He was a supporter of Ann Richards in my run in 1994. And she had named him the head of the Governor's Business Council. And I decided to leave him in place, just for the sake of continuity. And that's when I first got to know Ken and worked with Ken." ?attempting to distance himself from his biggest political patron, Enron Chairman Ken Lay, whom he nicknamed "Kenny Boy," Washington, D.C., Jan. 10, 2002

32. "It is white." ?after being asked by a child in Britain what the White House was like, July 19, 2001

31. "I couldn't imagine somebody like Osama bin Laden understanding the joy of Hanukkah." ?at a White House menorah lighting ceremony, Washington, D.C., Dec. 10, 2001

30. "For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it." ?Philadelphia, Penn., May 14, 2001

29. "I don't know why you're talking about Sweden. They're the neutral one. They don't have an army." ?during a Dec. 2002 Oval Office meeting with Rep. Tom Lantos, as reported by the New York Times

28. "You forgot Poland." ?to Sen. John Kerry during the first presidential debate, after Kerry failed to mention Poland's contributions to the Iraq war coalition, Miami, Fla., Sept. 30, 2004

27. "I'm the master of low expectations." ?aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

26. "I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things." ?aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

25. "I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe ? I believe what I believe is right." ?Rome, Italy, July 22, 2001

24. "We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." ?Washington, D.C. Oct. 4, 2001

23. "People say, how can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil? You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in's house and say I love you." ?Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2002

22. "I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it?I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet?.I don't want to sound like I have made no mistakes. I'm confident I have. I just haven't ? you just put me under the spot here, and maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one." ?President George W. Bush, after being asked to name the biggest mistake he had made, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2004

21. "The really rich people figure out how to dodge taxes anyway." ?explaining why high taxes on the rich are a failed strategy, Annandale, Va., Aug. 9, 2004

20. "My plan reduces the national debt, and fast. So fast, in fact, that economists worry that we're going to run out of debt to retire." ?radio address, Feb. 24, 2001

19. "You know, when I was one time campaigning in Chicago, a reporter said, 'Would you ever have a deficit?' I said, 'I can't imagine it, but there would be one if we had a war, or a national emergency, or a recession.' Never did I dream we'd get the trifecta." ?Houston, Texas, June 14, 2002 (There is no evidence Bush ever made any such statement, despite recounting the trifecta line repeatedly in 2002. A search by the Washington Post revealed that the three caveats were brought up before the 2000 campaign ? by Al Gore.)

18. "See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction." ?Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003

17. "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." ?State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003, making a claim that administration officials knew at the time to be false

16. "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard." ?repeating the phrases "hard work," "working hard," "hard choices," and other "hard"-based verbiage 22 times in his first debate with Sen. John Kerry

15. "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." ?Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001

14. "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." ?Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

13. "But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me." ?summing up his first year in office, three months after the 9/11 attacks, Washington, D.C., Dec. 20, 2001

12. "I try to go for longer runs, but it's tough around here at the White House on the outdoor track. It's sad that I can't run longer. It's one of the saddest things about the presidency." ?interview with "Runners World," Aug. 2002

11. "Can we win? I don't think you can win it." ?after being asked whether the war on terror was winnable, "Today" show interview, Aug. 30, 2004

10. "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace." ?Washington, D.C. June 18, 2002

9. "I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." ?to a group of Amish he met with privately, July 9, 2004

8. "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." ?speaking underneath a "Mission Accomplished" banner aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, May 1, 2003

7. ?We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories ? And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." ?Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003

6. "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!" ?President George W. Bush, joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio & TV Correspondents' Association dinner, Washington, D.C., March 24, 2004

5. "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." ?Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000

4. "There's an old saying in Tennessee ? I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee ? that says, fool me once, shame on ? shame on you. Fool me ? you can't get fooled again." ?Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Watch video)

3. "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." ?Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004 (Watch video)

2. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." ?Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004 (Watch video)
1. "My answer is bring them on." ?on Iraqi insurgents attacking U.S. forces, Washington, D.C., July 3, 2003

Yup....Just like Clinton attacked Kosovo.... They were no threat to us, didn't provoke us, had nothing to do with us.... :2 cents:

And by the way, Lincoln actually provoked a war with the south because they were practicing their right to succeed from the union... read some consititutional history, they had the right to do that according to the original framers. The war was about the rights of states over the federal government, not slavery. Obviously I'm glad that things turned out the way that they did, but technically, the Confederacy was in the right. Linoln and the north were technically the aggressors, and they did NOT have the right to impose their will just because they wanted the cotten and agricultural products from the south.

Get a Grip? Please.... Can you imagine if Bush suspended Habius Corpus, with no need for evidence to put people in jail, and put other politicians in jail for simply disagreeing with him? What about if the police killed hundreds of people on Bush's orders so as to force people into the army to fight for a war that they didn't want?

wheres woj? hes slippin lol

I dont think Lincoln ever said that africa was a nation.

Nah but seriously youre talking about 1860 and not 2000. Kosovo was a totally different story from Iraq, to this day they are yet to prove that there was a point for us to be there in the first place.

Um.. isn't that what's happening in Gitmo? People have been imprisoned there without even a visit from a lawyer.

That's true.... there was no point in going into Kosovo, according to your standards.

Well.... the people in Gitmo were enemy combatants on the battlefield. Gitmo is a POW Camp. You don't see Bush putting Kennedy into jail for speaking against him do you? That is what Lincoln did.

If the best you can do in defending the idiot president is to use Lincoln, well then your argument isn't very good. I find republicans kind of like spoiled children. Any time you say something against Bush, they automatically say well Clinton did this or Clinton did that. Just like kids, well he did it so why can't I.

Get over it, Clinton oversaw one of the largest economic growths of our nation, and we were at peace. What can you say about the current administration.

Liberal = I think everyone has the right to an opinion. I think yours is fucked up and stupid, but you have a right to it.

Conservative = My opinion is right, and if you don't shut up we will have to brand you as a terrorist and go Patriot Act on your ass.

What are you talking about? I'm having a debate with you here? Who is telling you to shut up?

For your info I have had signs ripped out of my hands and had friends attacked by left wing protestors that didn't want us to have our freedom of speach. You must live in some kind of perspective bubble. I have never seen so much censorship as when I try to have my right to protest and it doesn't agree with the left.

You seem to have a very narrow field of knowledge and experience.

As for Peace during Clinton. Are you nuts? How old are you? This was only a few years ago and you have forgotten all the conflicts that we were involved in during Clinton? Do some simple research if you can't even remember the last 15 years.

I think that the reason why the right brings up Clinton is that there never seems to be protestors when the war is being run by a democrat....

You would think that peace is peace and war is war....but as far as I can see War is wrong....unless a democrat is president

Yea but the Confederacy was formed for one simple reason; because the southern states knew Lincoln was opposed to slavery and viewed him as a threat to end slavery. So the civil war was about slavery. The war wasnt started because the federal govt was trying to impose their will on the south, it was started when the south started siezing federal forts and thus the attack on Fort Sumter.

I would recomend a broader field of research if you are really interested in this subject. Please don't just rely on high-school history books. The issue of slavery was NOT the central issue and didn't come in until later. It actually started regarding land, trading and tariff issues.

Please also review the federalist papers regarding the intent of the constitution as regards to states rights.

I'm not trying to be condescending here, I'm merely suggesting that you get a little more info on the subject. :2 cents:

There are always conflicts going on, but did Clinton ever go take our kids into a battle unprovoked. Iraq is the first and only war this country has ever started with absolutely no reason. Every other war or conflict has been to help allies or after we were attacked.

How many US soldier were killed in Kosovo...............

We have another Vietnam people and we better get used to it. They are sending another 1500 more over. There is absolutely no exit strategy. Shit they are planning for 4 more years of war, right now. Did we learn nothing from that war?

If you love the president and his policies so much, why not volunteer and get on the next plane over there. I already did my stint in the first war.
Remember the first Iraq war, when our ally Kuwait was attacked?

Why do I think the sign you had ripped out of your hands, was at a anti-abortion rally. You seem like the type that would be screaming about saving a 16 cell unborn, but has no problem sending 18 year olds to die.
Just a guess.

Actually Bush created terrorists in Irak ...