50 no money in porn

I am perfectly happy and profitable at 1:200-1:800 as an affiliate. Most webmasters don't work hard enough to provide a quality user experience at every click. Request user feedback. Billions of Google reference pages don't build brand loyalty.

are those first page unquie ratios?

The message beginning this thread was naively stated, but despite that and its critics, it wasn't fundamentally wrong. Just 500 hits per day to paysite sponsors converting at 1:50 or better would produce a six-figure annual income. If you are spending 90% of that buying and filtering traffic, you may actually earn your 6 figures that way. But of course a more realistic approach won't perform nearly as well.

As to the broader question, for the answer, just think about the nature of this board. Some come to brag, some just for a break, others for the pics and fake drama. But for most it is a marketing tool, however poorly used. In short, if theater goers can still be taken in by out-of-context critical quotes, it is unfortunate but not surprising that programs here are marketed using only favorable if not outright fictitious numbers.

The only thing which may distort reality further in this business than others, is that affiliates are also paid for referrals, so we don't only have sponsors themselves coloring the reality.

heheheh after all her said.. you should have gone after him more EvilChris

besides that.. so how was the gathering last friday evening??

a true evil man would have said nothing other than "another round please"

evilchris my ass......

the only number that should matter is $/raw click sent, period. Sponsor stats are irrelevant when compared (given the different ways sponsors count uniques ie 24/hour, 1st page, 2nd page, join page blah blah blah). So, as an affiliate the best you can do is track your own stats and compare your numbers amongst the different sponsors you send to, $/raw click sent levels the paying field for all.

I am here for the coke and whores.

I may be many things, but a liar will never be one of them.

Beer call went well! You coming out to the next one?

amen
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I can be evil... watch.

Jim... I hate you!



I'm sorry Jim. I don't hate you. :1orglaugh

bluff, i'm constantly at 1:100 ~ 1:150 on a PPS program.

my guess is that you've never had any SE traffic.

gerneralizations like this are just as bad as under quoting stats

for example augustnight.com redirected to got august is under 1:20 for me but that is highly targeted traffic, (pornstar name going to her official site).

It is possible to get great conversion ratios in those cases,

Maybe you didn't read what you originally posted - you are basically saying that it is the sponsors that are the problem - yet your whole premise is that it is getting harder to convert at "decent" ratios. Overall that would be a correct statement - however - it is rather obvious that the problem is more people getting into the business that don't take the time to learn how to filter traffic to increase their ratios - not the sponsors programs at fault.

Anyone (and I say this cause Im one of the most hard-headed in this biz) can learn to convert their traffic at numbers like Brandon is posting - if they take the time - in the last 5 years the number of people in the biz has probably quadrupled (just a guess - it might be more than that) and so many models of traffic have been invented ex. thumb tgps etc. that didnt exist before, that skew the overall numbers for a program - so sure maybe a program goes from an overall 1:30 to 1:80 - so what???
The affiliate is the one responsible for making their own ratios better - not the sponsor - its your traffic - learn it!!!

http://www.fast-rewind.com/license3.jpg

Sir that line forms to the left Sir.....

I have some type in traffic that is said to be the same quality as SE traffic and I am doing definitely worse.

Also I don't think I ever converted 1:100 with AdWords although I targetted only US surfers, stated the price in the ad description etc.

Maybe I am just shaved by sposnors, lol.

I don't understand why he keeps talking about filtering traffic as if it's some bad thing. You don't see people walking into the McDonalds to buy a mattress, or walking into the Ford dealership to buy a piece of cake, do you?

Just got back from a bit of a train ride.

Evil Chris: you mind if I say I don't believe you? What is said on that page may be correct, the way you present it is deceptive. We both know the majority of your affiliates will never ever pull that ratio. I'm an affiliate of yours, I've converted better than that with certain sites of yours on unfiltered, general traffic and made quite some sales, but GOD ONLY KNOWS WHY. I have enough mental capacity to understand this is not representative of how powerful my traffic or of how temptive your tour is.

Second, how about you add a new episode to tranny hunt some day?

Don't lose faith yet

become a pornopusher

If that doesn't include a serious amount of crossales (more than the normal signups by far) all those numbers are bs IMHO... :2 cents:

DarkJedi: apart from a bit of SE traffic, I have some of the purest in direct-navigation traffic: targeted type-in traffic. Theoretically this would be as targetted as its SE equivalent. Although you may get 1:150 after some filtering, such ratios are in no way representative of conversions on traffic from a top listing in, for example, the search term "black midgets porn". Simply not.

And why do you feel the need to brag, or defend yourself? Your actions will only lead to eventual dilution, and thus your financial loss.

FREE THE FILTERS!!!

It's not a bad thing, everyone filters his traffic, including me. My point is that conversions after a lot of filtering are simply not representative of how well programs or the industry as a whole performs. I can get conversions approaching 1:1 if I would email a paysite link to a random person and threaten to kill him if he doesn't signup after the first click, on the other side giving him an incentive of $1000 for just signing up. It just doesn't work that way ;-)

1:20 would be impressive if it weren't for the fact you only sent 20 hits.

Didn't you say not too long ago that you were done with GFY? DMPM traffic down that much?

will see.. the regular friday ones put me in a jam

regular shoot with one of the girls every friday
so kinda sux.. can't make them

ah well.. one day will see
if get fed up of her and tell her to fuck off I want a night free! :thumbsup

You really are a moronic attention whore....He said he gets that ratio with ONE POPULAR SPONSER...He offered to even let YOU login to HIS stats and you STILL run your trap and won't take the 500.

So instead you try to turn it into "overall" stats? Man you're full of hot air.

bluff got daughtered by brand0n

Why not include the time frame on the screenshot too? :2 cents: You know you could be taking a screenshot from last 10 minutes and saying it's for the whole month is all we know hehe :winkwink: also you're sure you didn't lose a lot of click datas from your db? cos that'd be really some unbelievable "overall" ratios I've ever seen.. what? nobody sends you any crap/exit traffic etc? nobody else has as bad or worse a CR as me? I should shoot myself in the head then lol.

people doubting that screenshot will surely doubt one with a time-frame also :winkwink:

If you can't convert us under 1/100 its time to throw in the towel

or vice-versa ;)

haha you seem to be on a roll lately Roger eh :winkwink:

As in every industry there is a game between supply and demand. Supply has increased greatly, what happens is dilution and a deterioration of conversion ratios. It's as simple as that.

Both program owners and affiliates are responsible for their sales. There is a general trend though of worsening stats. Conversion ratios like those posted by program owners on this board are a myth for the average webmaster. In any industry with some regulation those outings would have been marked as false advertising.

It's not like that in the adult industry land. People exaggerate and mislead however much they want, without even the slightest bit of embarrassment

Anybody can spot such claims tho (or at least should...)

The whole concept of the "conversion ratio" is ridiculous... It's a completely meaningless number that can only be used to measure your own traffic from the same sources. Even bothering to compare one person's TGP gallery numbers versus another is useless, the text on each gallery can easily affect the clickthrough rate and what the surfer is hoping to find when they hit the tour. Once you start filtering your traffic it becomes even more of a useless number that can only really apply to yourself. Brand0n tells surfers it'll cost $1 to signup, he converts under 1:20... I tell surfers "click here for more movies", I convert over 1:1000.

I don't know why anyone would either 1) take a sponsor's advertised conversion ratio seriously, or 2) doubt anyone else's conversion ratio. Neither of these figures have any relation to your own traffic.

this whole life is a lie, even the truth is a lie

Good ratios are not a lie, but on the other hand many sponsors shave in such rate it becomes ridiculous too. Wait till i flip out some period and expose 2-3 of them with evidences nobody would deny.

I'm actually -20:1 right now ,people that havent seen the site are joining. lol

I'm making a filipina hooker whore site that I think will convert off the chart, you really should stick around bluff and take advantage of the incredible conversions it will produce.

well anyone with any common sense will doubt 1:44 "overall" regardless for sure :2 cents:

meaning? hits on main page/sales?

or hits on signup page/sales?

You? Hard Headed?

Thats how I Roll I go thru my spurts


If nobody believes we convert 1:1 your all idots

Crazy business we're in.

I have 2 sponsors that if I saw 1:50 ratios I would think something was wrong, and I would be calling my reps to make sure that signups were being counted.

I have affiliates that would probably do the same thing (in fact, have).

interesting thread

its all about the marketing. Of course they're going to push good stats and leave out the bad ones.

Do you think Ford is going to run a commercial saying how great they are at getting recalls done and finding problems AFTER you bought the vehicle, or how great the car is and how you should buy one because its superfantasicchickmagnetgonnagetyoulaid?

I have been enlightened...so I quit. It has been a nice 9 year run.

My ARS stats for today:

1:22

Why would I lie? Maybe your traffic is not so good as you think...

man did you ever get it right.. :thumbsup