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adultguus 08-17-2005 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy
I can pretty much assure most Google stockholders that this quarter will be very profitable for Google. They effectively suspended a large chunk of keywords until I bid an extra 50% more. Bastards.
WG

Don't you think it also might be the other way around WG? What I mean is, if you would just delete those inactive words (ie. because it's not profitable for you to bid on those keywords at those prices), google is actually making less of you than they did before.

WiredGuy 08-17-2005 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by adultguus
Don't you think it also might be the other way around WG? What I mean is, if you would just delete those inactive words (ie. because it's not profitable for you to bid on those keywords at those prices), google is actually making less of you than they did before.

If I choose not to bid at those inflated rates though, then someone is or else the price would come down (assuming equal CTR's for other advertisers). So someone is paying the higher CPC's out there and they would make more per click. Question is if there's less to pick from now if Google would make the more overall since there's less options. I'm not entirely sure but I do believe Google would still come ahead overall...

WG

adultguus 08-17-2005 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy
If I choose not to bid at those inflated rates though, then someone is or else the price would come down (assuming equal CTR's for other advertisers). So someone is paying the higher CPC's out there and they would make more per click. Question is if there's less to pick from now if Google would make the more overall since there's less options. I'm not entirely sure but I do believe Google would still come ahead overall...

WG

I agree with you, it's most likely that the don't make changes that turn out to be hurting their revenue, but I was just wondering about it. Time will tell if this is a good thing or a bad thing for us.

I have to say that to me it seems that it's a little harder to start with Adwords now, without having any experience. Before you could just start with bidding .05 on any keyword, now you have the risk that you MUST start with bidding .50 or higher and that might scare some people. If that's true it can turn out to be a good thing, less advertisers is less competition.

WiredGuy 08-17-2005 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by adultguus
I agree with you, it's most likely that the don't make changes that turn out to be hurting their revenue, but I was just wondering about it. Time will tell if this is a good thing or a bad thing for us.

I have to say that to me it seems that it's a little harder to start with Adwords now, without having any experience. Before you could just start with bidding .05 on any keyword, now you have the risk that you MUST start with bidding .50 or higher and that might scare some people. If that's true it can turn out to be a good thing, less advertisers is less competition.

I tried adding a new keyword yesterday (once the new policy was in effect), and Google wanted 30c/click for it. There were only 2 advertisers on it too, so I'm not sure why the price was so inflated. I think this is going to kill off a lot of the smaller players.

WG

Furious_Male 08-17-2005 12:52 PM

I want to put my foot up someones ass over there. After spending 6 hours optimizing campaigns the past 2 days they started disabling all my campaigns for pop ups beyond my bridge pages which is not a violation. Right now 90% of my campaigns are disabled right after I finished working on them.

Kind of hard from them to make money when they are playing games.

samsam 08-17-2005 12:54 PM

why the fucking crisis over questions about why they did it? i can answer that in one word:

MONEY

Furious_Male 08-17-2005 12:57 PM

Sure it is for the money but if advertisers start jumping ship the revenue may not increase like they anticipated.

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GatorB 08-17-2005 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by adultguus
Before you could just start with bidding .05 on any keyword, now you have the risk that you MUST start with bidding .50 or higher and that might scare some people. .

You don't HAVE to bid 50¢ or higher in fact you can bid as low as 1¢

GatorB 08-17-2005 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy
I tried adding a new keyword yesterday (once the new policy was in effect), and Google wanted 30c/click for it. There were only 2 advertisers on it too, so I'm not sure why the price was so inflated.

That may be why there were only 2 other bidders. Since Google started this yesterday how many people( especially small timers ) don't bother to check ther adwords account everyday? So how many of them have disabled KWs and don't know it?

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I think this is going to kill off a lot of the smaller players.
Not a bad thing.

axelcat 08-17-2005 01:10 PM

50..............

Tom_PM 08-17-2005 01:26 PM

I check a couple of times per hour sometimes, lol. So I picked it up right away.. I just got the email a few minutes ago however.

I did notice the minimum is 1cent, but I'm sure theres not many keywords/quality ads that will be allowed such a low bid. Some of mine they wanted $1.00, $.50, $.20, $.10.. all had a bid of $.05 before the change and were getting clicks. I deleted some of them, bid higher on a few.

Plus the Daily Budget doesnt function properly if you have more than 1 ad per ad group. It runs through the daily budget straight away instead of spreading it out. They suggested that I pause and resume my ads manually, hehe.. Sweet. I woke up this morning and my entire daily budget was almost consumed, and with their stats being 3 hours behind, I was basically out of money by 6am.. doh..

samsam 08-17-2005 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Furious_Male
Sure it is for the money but if advertisers start jumping ship the revenue may not increase like they anticipated.

fair point but thats a bit simple dood

you're assuming that a billion dollar company hasnt made some serious inroad into calculating that the net gains outweigh the net losses.

same old story. overture did it and it worked for them. google know they can do it and it wont hurt them. easy to suppose that theyve done the math on it.

it sucks ass

adultguus 08-17-2005 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Furious_Male
they started disabling all my campaigns for pop ups beyond my bridge pages which is not a violation.

It's clearly in their rules that pop-ups and dialers AFTER a landingpage ARE a violation. You've nobody but yourself to blame for this.

sacX 08-18-2005 12:07 AM

guess will have to see how it plays out.. noticed some spikes in my traffic today.

emthree 08-18-2005 01:00 AM

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polish_aristocrat 08-19-2005 12:02 PM

seems like the minimum bids were significantly lowered compared to 3 days ago, on the same campaigns

alexg 08-19-2005 12:11 PM

looks like bad news to me...

$5 submissions 08-19-2005 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat
at least this results from the email I skimmed that I just got from them

IMO bad for advertisers, good for website owners using AdSense or domain owners



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