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Linkster 08-16-2005 01:41 PM

By the way - since I was around during the oil embargo of 1973 - the prices went up a factor of 4 - quadrupled in price overnight - when I was a teen we sold gasoline for 25 cents a gallon - 1973 hit and we were over a dollar - just a little history. Of course once it was over, the price never dropped because the oil companies could now make four times as much

garce 08-16-2005 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by latinasojourn
haha, if you think the USA is the biggest polluter you have not seen much of the world.

if you did a chart on pollution related to industrial output the USA might be one of the LOWEST international polluters for a given industrial output or energy use.

usa ain't perfect to be sure, but lots of you kids talk out of your ass. go visit eastern europe, or china.

The United States, with the world's largest economy, remains the world's largest single source of anthropogenic (human-caused) greenhouse gas emissions. Current projections indicate that U.S. emissions of carbon dioxide, which is released into the atmosphere when fossil fuels are burned, will reach 5,985 million metric tons in 2005, an increase of 1,083 million metric tons from the 4,902 million metric tons emitted in 1990, and around one-fourth of total world energy-related carbon emissions.

Just the facts, as supplied by the U.S. Government.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usa.html

volante 08-16-2005 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by latinasojourn
haha, if you think the USA is the biggest polluter you have not seen much of the world.

if you did a chart on pollution related to industrial output the USA might be one of the LOWEST international polluters for a given industrial output or energy use.

usa ain't perfect to be sure, but lots of you kids talk out of your ass. go visit eastern europe, or china.

Pollution stats per capita:
Sulphur Oxides
Nuclear Waste
Nitrogen Oxides
Munincipal Waste
Carbon Dioxide

Guess which country is top of two of these charts?

AmateurFlix 08-16-2005 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkster
The biggest problem that we have in the US right now is that a good percentage of people dont give a shit one way or the other what they are doing to the price of gas by driving their SUVs and other "toys". If they would take time out to "care" (I know - not gonna happen in this apethetic me,me,me society in the US) and stop their whining - they could actually do something about the price - lower the demand.

While it is absolutely ridiculous for one person to drive a 5000 lb 8MPG SUV as a daily driver in the suburbs, this isn't consumer demand driving up the price of gasoline, at least not the consumers you're seeing at the gas pumps. If it were then gas would have slowly risen in price the past ten years at the same pace as the prevalance of the vehicles you mentioned. It didn't do that though, it spiked suddenly because the market is being manipulated.

I doubt if high gas prices are going to deter many people who are already willing to spend $30k+ on a truck with leather seats for their daily commute.

aleck 08-16-2005 02:38 PM

in europe $30k isn't really a lot for a car and 70% of new cars are diesels. it's all about the numbers

FunkMachine 08-16-2005 02:53 PM

It's because China provides invaluable international diplomatic protection (ie. it provides protection from rightful UN sanctions) to oil-producing countries such as Sudan (have been raping and killing their way through their own country for 20 years) and Iran (major sponsor of international terrorism and currently building a nuke with which to threaten Saudi Arabia, Israel, Europe and the US).

Hence, they get their oil from these states "on the cheap".

AmateurFlix 08-16-2005 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by aleck
in europe $30k isn't really a lot for a car and 70% of new cars are diesels. it's all about the numbers

If people realized how much more economical diesels are there would be more of a demand for them here (in the US). Most gas stations don't offer diesel fuel though and people see it as something only for big semi trucks.

$30k is a lot for these types of vehicles here (although it's becoming more normal now). SUV's used to be something for hillbillies and farmers until they started becoming 'fashionable' for some odd reason a decade or so ago. Why the public ever adopted these things as status symbols is beyond me. They look like the bastard child of a station wagon and a minivan, two vehicles almost no one ever considered stylish. It makes as much sense as if people started wearing denim overalls to be more fashionable.

BDSMpersonals 08-16-2005 02:58 PM

communist system subsidizes some things

latinasojourn 08-16-2005 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by volante
Pollution stats per capita:
Sulphur Oxides
Nuclear Waste
Nitrogen Oxides
Munincipal Waste
Carbon Dioxide

Guess which country is top of two of these charts?

i won't argue with statistics you can find, but i stand by my qualified statement.

of course the usa is a big polluter. it has the greatest industrial output of any nation on earth.

my point is: for a given amount of industrial output it is probably one of the world's lowest polluters.

chowda 08-16-2005 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by latinasojourn
i won't argue with statistics you can find, but i stand by my qualified statement.

of course the usa is a big polluter. it has the greatest industrial output of any nation on earth.

my point is: for a given amount of industrial output it is probably one of the world's lowest polluters.

btw, ive been in china, ive seen factories from urban cities to some outer provinces. ITs dirty, its all smog and you get sandstorms in the major metropolitans.

Also im going back to china for business/leisure in 2006. Maybe then ill stop talking out of my ass about something i dont know about.

Get Money Quick 08-16-2005 03:39 PM

51......

Get Money Quick 08-16-2005 03:45 PM

wish our gas was that cheap still

its 2.69 here

vending_machine 08-16-2005 03:55 PM

Norway is the 3rd largest distributor of oil in the world, yet they pay way over $6/gallon at the pumps. Taxes taxes taxes....

tristan_D 08-16-2005 05:05 PM

now at least I got one reason to move to china. I need a million more.

johnnyhey 08-16-2005 05:07 PM

let's invade china, their oil wealth will pay for the reconstruction.

Bird 08-16-2005 05:19 PM

Out bid
 
The Chinese out bid us on ebay for Russian oil.

They also use other means of transportation.......





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Originally Posted by VeriSexy
They are buying gas from around the world and they are still able to sell it the cheapest. Canada gets oil from Alberta and it's still more expensive!!! WTF!!!

44 US cents per litre is damn cheap!!!!!!!!!! That's like $1.80 per gallon


"Sources from the Beijing oil branch of Sinopec, Asia's largest oil refiner, said the retail 90-octane gasoline price in the capital city rose 0.25 yuan (3 US cents) per litre to 3.67 yuan (44 US cents) per litre. Price hikes for other types of retail gasoline also averaged 0.25 yuan (3 US cents) per litre."

http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/englis...ent_427865.htm


PixeLs 08-16-2005 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeriSexy
They are buying gas from around the world and they are still able to sell it the cheapest. Canada gets oil from Alberta and it's still more expensive!!! WTF!!!

44 US cents per litre is damn cheap!!!!!!!!!! That's like $1.80 per gallon


"Sources from the Beijing oil branch of Sinopec, Asia's largest oil refiner, said the retail 90-octane gasoline price in the capital city rose 0.25 yuan (3 US cents) per litre to 3.67 yuan (44 US cents) per litre. Price hikes for other types of retail gasoline also averaged 0.25 yuan (3 US cents) per litre."

http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/englis...ent_427865.htm

They are hoping for waves of US immigrants to China. :1orglaugh

aleck 08-17-2005 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnyhey
let's invade china, their oil wealth will pay for the reconstruction.

start packing and invade. better with legit visa


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