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I was hoping for a picture of a Chinese girl

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tony286

its scary with the constant look to increase profits thru cheap labor, US corporations are funding the China's rise to power.

chowda

with that kind of mindset, u can also argue that depending on foreign oil will fund middle east's rise of terrorism.

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A perfect example of Carl Marx 'alienation'.

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if irony was daquiri mix, we would all be drinking alot of smoothies right about now.

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considering the Chinese populationa and unemployment problem, I bet they are willing to do that. Good for US.

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LoL, that pic is fucking crazy.

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WRONG

Chinese factories struggle to hire

The unthinkable is happening in China: This country of 1.3 billion can no longer find enough people willing to work long hours for low wages churning out cheap consumer goods for the export market.

Women work at a textile company in Shenzhen, China.


Last year, the Chinese Labor Ministry put the factory shortfall at 2.8 million workers nationwide. Here in southern China's Guangdong Province, factories are short 1 million to 2 million workers this year, and 73% say they're having trouble filling job openings, the provincial government says.

"Factories must learn a lesson," says Cheng Jiansan, an economist at the Guangdong Academy of Social Sciences. "There is no longer a limitless supply of workers."

The labor shortage, along with rising materials and shipping costs, has big implications for China's surging export machine and its customers in the United States and other rich countries. Factories in Guangdong and other booming east coast provinces must find cheap labor elsewhere, make do with a reduced workforce or raise wages and benefits ? and hope they can pass along at least some of the higher costs to foreign customers used to rock-bottom prices.

Wal-Mart, which bought $18 billion worth of goods directly from China last year, has so far managed to keep "cost increases to a minimum through negotiation and leveraging our volume," says Andrew Tsuei, the giant retailer's vice president for global procurement. "However, we're seeing signs of more increases around the corner."

Yue Yuen, a shoemaker that employs 160,000 workers in southern China and supplies Nike, Adidas, Timberland and other shoe companies, says its prices are rising, too. But spokesman Terry Ip says that increasing materials costs are having a bigger impact than rising wages and that the retail mark-up on shoes is so high, consumers might not notice the difference anyway.

Darren McKinney, spokesman for the National Association of Manufacturers in Washington, says the labor shortage is a sign of China's economic maturity. "Every industrializing economy has to cross this labor bridge at some point," McKinney says. "It's happening in China, and it's good."

Rising clout for workers

The labor shortage is giving Chinese migrant workers clout they never had. Entrepreneur Johnny Jiang, who owns a plastics factory in Dongguan, says workers used to be too frightened to make demands. Now, they'll walk out if he doesn't boost pay. He raised wages 30% last year and more than 10% this year and now pays a respectable 900 Chinese yuan (about $109) a month. But when his busy season starts in May, Jiang expects to have only half the 400 workers he needs.

At another Dongguan factory, skilled painter Tang Wen gave up his $190-a-month job when his employer refused to give him time off to see his ailing mother in Hunan Province. He's confident he can get another job when he returns.

Tang is one of many migrants waiting at the railway station in this smog-shrouded city ? base for hundreds of low-wage factories ? to return to the countryside. "We've done our share," says migrant worker Yau Dewen, 20. "We've had enough."

Yau is heading home himself. Sitting beneath a palm tree outside the train station, smoking a cigarette and eating dried fish smothered in the sulfurous chilies popular back home in Hunan, he says he just quit his factory job. After two years, he is tired of earning less than $75 a month from an employer who withholds pay when workers don't meet production quotas. Yau plans to get some technical training and join the army.

The labor shortage, which first appeared two years ago at sweat-shop factories in nearby Fujian Province, is less intense and less well-documented in China's other top manufacturing centers: the Yangtze River Delta around Shanghai and the Beijing-Tianjin area in northern China. But it's causing problems there, too.

In January, entrepreneur Jiang visited Hunan University in his hometown, the provincial capital Changsha, to recruit engineering graduates. He borrowed an office and waited at a desk for applicants for two hours. No one showed up. They all had jobs already.

The labor shortage threatens a successful system that turned China into an economic power, showered cheap products onto U.S. consumers and demanded huge sacrifices from the unskilled workers who made it all possible.

After China opened its economy and encouraged foreign investment more than two decades ago, armies of young peasants, unable to eke out a living on farms, swept into coastal cities by the tens of millions in search of factory jobs. They are permanent outsiders in the places they work.

"Why do these people want to go back home?" asks Pansy Yau, an economist with the Hong Kong Trade Development Council. "Because they don't have a sense of belonging."

Migrants live in (often single-sex) factory dormitories, working 12-hour days for wages as low as $50 a month. They have little time for anything but sleep. When they venture outside the factory gates, they are often hassled by police demanding to see their identification papers. When migrants are injured on the job ? and thousands have lost limbs in industrial accidents ? they are usually paid a pittance and turned out.

Factory owners always knew there were thousands more to replace them. They nudged monthly wages up only 68 yuan ($8.20) in the past 12 years.

Employers caught by surprise

Employers were caught by surprise when the labor crunch hit with a vengeance last year, the surprising result of simultaneous trends:

? China's farm economy is booming. Rising crop prices and the government's decision to phase out agricultural taxes has made it profitable to stay home instead of migrating to factory jobs in the cities. Farm incomes rose 16% in 2003 and were up sharply again last year. Factory owner Hayes Lou was dismayed this month when Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao announced that farm taxes would be phased out in 2006, two years ahead of schedule; another reason for rural workers to stay put. "If you don't have education or technical skills, you might as well go back home and tend the garden," migrant Tang Wen says.

? Other regions are developing fast ? and soaking up workers that once went almost exclusively to factories in the Pearl River Delta, where Guangdong is situated. That means many rural workers can find jobs without having to go so far from home. And the factories of Shanghai ? run by high-technology firms and multinationals such as General Motors ? are known among migrants for paying far higher wages than the mom-and-pop operations in Dongguan. Computer technician Zhang Chaoqian, 20, is leaving Dongguan after two years for a job at a computer factory in Shanghai that promises to pay him $360 a month ? five times his old wage.

? Workers are increasingly knowledgeable about the job market. Local governments in the Chinese hinterlands are trying to keep rural workers informed about job conditions in the booming coastal areas. And migrants themselves are trading information about which factories are good employers and which are stingy and cruel.

Shortage likely to last

For these reasons, factory owner Johnny Jiang is convinced the labor shortage is here to stay. "Factories who don't know how to improve themselves will close," he says.

Surveys in Guangdong have shown that factories that pay at least 1,000 Chinese yuan a month (about $120) have no problem attracting workers.

U.S. firms that run their own factories in China tend to pay decent wages; so they haven't had trouble getting workers. W.L. Gore & Associates, maker of Gore-Tex synthetic fabric and other products, employs skilled technicians, engineers and professionals at its manufacturing plant in Shenzhen and pays them more than 1,000 yuan a month, plus "good benefits," says Gore's Albert Peng. As a result, Gore has had no problems finding workers.

But many smaller employers, suppliers to U.S. firms, are struggling to find workers and are reluctant to raise wages, perhaps because their profit margins are so thin. A study released last month by the Guangdong Statistics Bureau found that less than 40% of factories in Pearl River Delta intend to increase pay for migrant workers this year. Of those, 78% plan increases of 5% or less.

"Factories in China have been spoiled," says economist Chi Lo, author of The Misunderstood China. "They still want to pay cheap wages."

But others are scrambling to adjust. Hayes Lou, a Taiwanese entrepreneur in Shenzhen whose factory makes packaging, is looking outside Guangdong for cheaper labor. He plans to open a factory this year in Chongqing, a huge but underdeveloped city in Sichuan Province, and to expand there if the experiment goes well.

Companies in the coastal city of Qingdao have even begun hiring husband-and-wife teams, to keep lonely migrants from going home, Worker's Daily reported last year.

Chinese officials, though they sometimes downplay reports of a labor shortage, also are trying to make migrant work more attractive. "Local governments are waking up to the fact they have a big problem," says Robin Munro at China Labour Bulletin, a Hong Kong activist group. "They had to do something to keep labor coming. ...We're beginning to see some attempt to enforce Chinese labor laws."

Eventually, U.S. consumers might have to chip in by paying a bit more for products made in China. "Consumers should pay a reasonable price. Producers should pay a reasonable wage," says researcher Cheng at the Guangdong social sciences academy. "The way migrant workers have been treated is unsustainable."


http://www.usatoday.com/money/world/...na-labor_x.htm

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I think you meant, KARL Marx.

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davidd

Jesus Christ, my heart just fluttered.

We agree fully on an issue.

davidd

You are comparing apples to planets.

tony404's comment was correct. We are offloading a ton of core american industry to China's cheap labor pools. Walk into WalMart. There was once a time Wal Mart said, "If there is an American product we will sell it over an import". Well that slogan is now gone and the entire store is made in China.

I refuse to buy any product not made in a country that does not maintain the same way of life we do. If it is not made in the USA, Europe, or even Japan I will not buy it.

The continued robbing of manufacturing base in America will be its downfall. China is not the first country we have shipped jobs to, and it will not be the last. Africa is next.

Vlad

China gonna rule the world in close future!

davidd

Not possible. Look at their past history, what have they done in the past 1000 years?

No communist nation has thrived long term.

The chinese are also not know for their creativity... Ideas are what moves economies forward, and people will to make those ideas/dreams a reality.

Only one or two places in the world where the above happens. China is not one of them.

JuiceMonkey

haha wow......

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Joe Citizen

Firstly, China is a communist nation in name only.

Secondly, it hasn't even been 100 years since the first communist nation began so how can you say that no communist nation has thrived long term? Indigenous cultures such as the Australian aborigines practiced real communism for tens of thousands of years. Until the white man showed up, that is.

davidd

Hmmm, by name only?

Can I practice Christianity? Can I browse the internet unfiltered? Can I publish my own newpaper in opposition to the government? Can I own guns? Can I travel freely to other countries?

Your second comment blows my mind. I am sensing we have a Karl Marx fan in house. Communist nations are doomed from the start because they are counter human nature. There will be no Communist nation that ever thrives because it is a fundamentally broken concept.

BabeHunter

yeah me too!

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China and India. Rarely has the economic ascent of two still relatively poor nations been watched with such a mixture of awe, opportunism, and trepidation. The postwar era witnessed economic miracles in Japan and South Korea. But neither was populous enough to power worldwide growth or change the game in a complete spectrum of industries. China and India, by contrast, possess the weight and dynamism to transform the 21st-century global economy. The closest parallel to their emergence is the saga of 19th-century America, a huge continental economy with a young, driven workforce that grabbed the lead in agriculture, apparel, and the high technologies of the era, such as steam engines, the telegraph, and electric lights.

But in a way, even America's rise falls short in comparison to what's happening now. Never has the world seen the simultaneous, sustained takeoffs of two nations that together account for one-third of the planet's population. For the past two decades, China has been growing at an astounding 9.5% a year, and India by 6%. Given their young populations, high savings, and the sheer amount of catching up they still have to do, most economists figure China and India possess the fundamentals to keep growing in the 7%-to-8% range for decades.

Barring cataclysm, within three decades India should have vaulted over Germany as the world's third-biggest economy. By mid-century, China should have overtaken the U.S. as No. 1. By then, China and India could account for half of global output.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...4/b3948401.htm

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Joe Citizen

You are describing totalitarianism, not communism.

By the way, have you ever been to China? Thought not. Well a good friend of mine who is fluent in Chinese just came back from spending two years there, living largely with ordinary Chinese people and he has spent hours describing it to me... and let me tell you that the reality of China today and the picture of China painted by western media are very different.


What I am telling you a verifiable fact. Real communism has been practised by indigenous cultures for tens of thousands of years. Whether or not you want to accept that fact is up to you.

Communism is no more a 'broken concept' than religion in general.

davidd

Now that was the funniest thing I read all day.

Lets revisit this topic in 10 years. Every decade I have to hear about who is going to beat the USA and Europe next... Last decade it was Mexico. A decade before it was some puppet shit hole in South America (pick one). Next decade it will be some other dump, with massive over population, and not original ideas. China and India are doing well (if you call it well) for one reason, cheap labor and cheap manufacturing. When the people start demanding more money, they companies will leave. If these companies wanted the best and the brightest to build their trinkets and shoes, they would have stayed in first world nations.

davidd

You did not answer my questions. Because you already know the answers. You stated China is Communist by name only. Which you know is not true. Answer my questions one by one, as they apply to China. With another one, Can I own land?

Real communism was praticed in various parts of the world at many times. What you are describing is not anything near the populations of a modern day country. Show me any tribe that numbered in excess of 20 million people that practiced communism.

Communism is broken. Only a true Marxist would resort to comparing a broken down concept of government to religious beliefs.

Lay your cards on the table, you will beat the drum for any Communist regime while typing from your privately owned domicile, on an unfiltered internet connection, dreaming of pie in the sky ideals...

Joe Citizen

I know what I said and I stand by it. China today bears very little resemblance to a Communist (and when i say communist I mean Marxist) state. How do you know these Chinese can't own land? I'm sure some do. They aren't exactly a classless society. What exactly do you know about China that you haven't heard on some infotainment program on TV. Probably fucking nothing.


Ummm... there weren't indigenous populations of over 20 million you fool. Way to show your ignorance. And why 20 million? Why is that the magic number? Sounds like something you pulled out of your arse.


Do you even think about the shit that you say? Why would only a true Marxist compare communism and religion? Lost have people who aren't true Marxists have made the same comparison. Why? Because they have a lot in common.


I'm not beating the drum for anything, nor do I dream of pie in the sky ideals. I was just pointing out that you were full of shit. And I was right.

BRISK

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China is not 100% communist anymore, people are allowed to run businesses and people are allowed to get rich. Mao would be rolling in his grave if he saw what was going on

No creativity??? The Chinese invented a shitload of things including gun powder....

http://www.internet-at-work.com/hos_..._china_3a.html

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5 Century AD

Manufacturing

Co-fusion or ?Siemens? process (for producing steal by melting cast iron with wrought iron).

?Magic mirror? (a solid bronze mirror through which light may apparently pass).

Mathematics

Advanced value of pi (calculated to ten decimal places: 3.1415929203) (Tsu Ch?ung-Chih and Tsu Keng-Chih).

Mechanical Engineering

Crank-activated piston (which is similar to components essential to the modern steam engine).

Transportation/Warfare

Paddle-wheel boat (construction of a boat propelled by one or more paddle wheels for improved speed, maneuverability, and freedom from reliance on wind, sometimes used in warfare; however, the idea appeared independently in a prior European manuscript [dated to the late 4 century]).



6 Century AD

Aeronautics

Human flight with kites (possibly as early as the 4 century BC).

Chemical Engineering

Match (for quick, convenient creation of fire).

Entertainment

?Image-chess? (the early ancestor of modern chess).

Manufacturing

Toilet paper.

Transportation

Land sailing (using wind and one or more sails to propel a wheeled vehicle).



7 Century AD

Astronomy

Discovery of the solar wind (the outward physical force exerted by the sun).

Civil Engineering

Segmental arch bridge (a bridge constructed of one or more arches each of which outlines not a semi-circle but a smaller segment thereof) (Li Ch?un).

Distilling

Brandy (an alcoholic beverage prepared by distilling wine).

Whisky (an alcoholic beverage prepared by distilling liquid produced from fermented grain).

Medicine

Recognition of excess sugar in the urine of diabetics (Chen Ch?üan)

Using thyroid hormone to treat goiter (a disease of the thyroid) (Chen Ch?üan).

Printing

Woodblock printing on silk.



8 Century AD

Mechanical Engineering/Scientific Instrumentation

Mechanical clock (for indicating both time and positions of heavenly bodies) (I-Hsing).

Naval Engineering/Transportation

Leeboard (a board lowered from a ship into water to sail more efficiently into the wind by preventing leeward drift).

Printing

Text printing (however not book printing, which begins in the following 9 century).



9 Century AD

Chemical Engineering

Gunpowder (first used in fireworks and, by the 10 century, artillery and bombs).

Commerce/Economy

Bank draft (which is more convenient than coins or ingots and facilitates commerce by enabling merchants to deposit coins or ingots at one bank in return for a certificate which may be redeemed at another for coins or ingots).

Aeronautics/Entertainment

Helicopter top (initially used in flying toys).

Physics/Geology

Magnetic variation or declination (the difference between truth north and magnetic north).

Printing

Book printing (for eventual publication of an enormous number of relatively inexpensive books; it revolutionized education and dramatically improved the diffusion of knowledge).

Printing/Entertainment

Playing cards.

Warfare

Paper armor (which protected the wearer from arrows).



10 Century AD

Civil Engineering/Transportation

Canal pound-lock (for improved, safer navigation of canals regardless changing water levels) (Ch?iao Wei-Yo).

Commerce/Economy

Paper money backed by deposited cash (which facilitates commerce by enabling businesses and individuals to dispense with coins and ingots which are difficult to store and transport in large quantities).

Warfare

Gunpowder-impregnated slow match fuse (as the source of fire in flame-throwers).

Flame-thrower (a weapon which produces a constant and destructive stream of burning gasoline or kerosene).

Gunpowder incendiary arrow (which ignites a fire upon hitting its target).

Fire-lance or proto-gun (a military weapon which utilizes gunpowder and acts as a portable, potentially lethal flame-thrower of relatively brief duration).



11 Century AD

Mechanical Engineering/Scientific Instrumentation

Improved mechanical clock (for indicating time and positions of the heavenly bodies with greater accuracy thanks in part to its superior mechanical escapement) (Su Sung).

Naval Engineering

Underwater salvage operations (e.g., raising large sunken objects) (Huai-Ping).

Navigation

Magnetic compass used for navigation at sea (possibly as early as the 9 century).

Physics

Discovery of magnetic remanence (observing that magnets demagnetize when heated).

Discovery of magnetic induction (observing that iron magnetizes when heated and then cooled while aligned in a magnetic field).

Printing

Multi-color printing.

Movable type (which is assembled piece by piece in a form or frame from which one may print pages) (Pi Sheng).

Warfare

Gunpowder incendiary bomb (which does not explode but does ignite fires).

Gunpowder exploding bomb (enclosed in a soft shell, e.g., bamboo).

Crossbow stirrup (for more efficient arming).



10 Century AD

Cartography

Cylindrical or ?Mercator? map-projection (which is in common use to this day).

Chemical Engineering

Phosphorescent paint (which glows in the dark).

Mechanical Engineering

Chain-drive (a continuous loop of chain that transmits circular motion from one gear to another, first used in a mechanical clock) (Chang Ssu-Hsun).

Water-cooled ?economic? lamp (which conserves fuel by slowing its evaporation).

Medicine

Small pox vaccination (preventing untold numbers of deaths).



11 Century AD

Cartography/Astronomy

Published star map (in New Design for a Mechanized Armillary Sphere and Celestial Globe) (Su Sung).

Mathematics

?Pascal?s? Triangle (a special triangular arrangement of numbers which may be used to solve certain algebraic problems) (Liu Ju-Hsieh).

Mechanical Engineering/Manufacturing

Spinning-wheel (for producing thread from fibers; possibly much earlier).



12 Century AD

Aeronautics

Application of the ?Venturi-tube effect? (constricting the opening of a rocket tube to increase power).

Aeronautics/Entertainment

Rocket (initially used in fireworks, but, later, beginning in the 13 century, warfare).

Chemistry

Heated quartz test (for identifying saltpeter, an ingredient essential to gunpowder [the latter invented in the 9 century]).

Warfare

Repeating or ?machine-gun? crossbow (for rapid, nonstop firing).

Gunpowder grenade (a small explosive which may be hurled by hand at the enemy).



13 Century AD

Acoustics/Music

Equal temperament tuning of musical instruments (which enables one to play them in any key) (Chu Tsai-Yü).

Astronomy

Equatorial mounted torquetum (the equatorial or ?modern? mount, which is aligned with the celestial pole, was commonly used with observational instruments, including the torquetum, and is commonly used with telescopes to this day) (Kuo Shou-Ching).

Mathematics

Use of numerical equations of higher degrees than third (those with such values as x4, x5, etc.; essential to higher mathematics) (Ch?in Chiu-Shao).

Warfare

Handgun (which eventually revolutionized warfare).

Land mine (a bomb which is triggered when someone walks on or near it).

?Modern? metal-enclosed gunpowder bomb (which, because it produces shrapnel, is more destructive and deadly than earlier bombs).

Rocket (used as a military weapon).

Sea mine (a bomb which attaches to an enemy?s ship).

Signal flare (for communication).



14 Century AD

Aeronautics/Warfare

In-flight stabilizers for rockets (fins or wings that improve performance).

Multi-stage rocket (which may have a greater range than a single-stage rocket).

Warfare

Canon (which eventually revolutionized warfare; possibly invented in the 13 century).



17 Century AD

Aeronautics/Mechanical Engineering

Vertically mounted wind wheels (the basis of modern airplane propellers).

http://www.villarevak.org/cathay/invention.html

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China to Improve Land Property System
China will increase efforts to improve its land property system, which lags behind that in developed countries, to meet the requirement for land management and urban development, a leading official stressed in Nanjing Monday.

Vice-Minister of Land and Resources Li Yuan said at the opening ceremony of a seminar on land resources management that registration of land, which is the key to the land property system, does not cover the whole of China.

This is the biggest loophole in the current land registration system, the official said.

According to statistics, the rate of land registration in China once reached an all-time high of 80 percent. However, the ratio has fallen in recent years due to rapid urban expansion.

Li said that China's land registration system is still not up to the required standards, because of technical, fund and personnel problems. Standardization in the process, result and archive of the land registration should be strengthened.

A land information network will be set up in China to provide service for market transactions and management of land resources, said Li.

During the rapid urbanization in China, the activities of buying and selling land without permission and the illegal building of houses are quite common in the regions linking cities with the countryside. "Management and policy-making should be strengthened to deal with disputes over land and put land management in these regions into order," said Li.

He stressed that China should increase investment and simplify the land registration procedures in the reform of the housing system to improve the efficiency of the reform.

China began to establish the land property system in the 1980s. A nationwide land investigation and registration was conducted at that time. The system has played an important role in urban development planning, governmental management of land property, housing reform in Chinese cities and the development of the land market.

The seminar will last five days in Nanjing, capital of east China's Jiangsu Province. Mayors from 31 provinces, municipalities and autonomous regions across China will hold discussions on the relationship between land registration and urban economic development.


http://english.people.com.cn/english...106_54482.html

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chowda

You don't buy alot of products then. Many so called american products are made by international and multinational companies. A dell computer has parts made in thailand built in china that is owned by an american company. Will you still buy them then? And dont even start as to what car you drive. Unless its a ford, chances are the majority of parts come from all over the world.

If africa can stop the corruption, then there is a good chance they will eventually be developped. But for the time being, the light is shined at china and india.

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TheMaster

China is not COMMUNISM, they call it that way, but it is basically slavery, it has got nothing to do with Communistic Ideals !!!
A Chinese friend of mine said it best to my question 'I don't get China do they communism or capitalism?', his answer: 'In the cities there is capitalism and on the countryside, well ... nobody cares about them'

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TheMaster

thanks for that comment, finally someone with a less narrow patriotic brainwashed view of the world, where "the most free country in the world" is one where it was illegal in 2000 to recount votes and where tens of thousand of citizens didn't get to vote

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TheMaster

jeez, those things have nothing to do with commism, those are dictatorial rules, btw most dictatorships have a capitalist rule not a communistic.

In your vision: Irag was a free democratic country: they had elections bla bla bla

DEMOCRACY and CAPITALISM ARE NOT THE SAME, only people in Anglo-Saxon countries (US,UK,Netherlands) seem to think this, may be the protestant roots, where you place in heaven gets better the more wealth you create during your life.

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Antonio

I watched something like 2 hours documentary on China last night, you're right, the rural areas are really poor, they showed some scenes that you expect to see only in Africa, like people walking miles to get fresh water etc

But overall the economy is growing rapidly, in some areas the industry is 90% privately owned, and whoever thinks that China is not going to be a major player in the next few decades simply doesn't have a clue...

TheMaster

This is the deal with China nowadays:
manufacturing jobs from the US, Canada & Europe get shipped over to China, where people are not only payed less, they are vastly underpayed, it's slavery, there is no better word for it.
Western Joe's loose their jobs to Chinese, who in their turn aren't payed well, meanwhile the big corporations get all the benefits: manufacture cheaply, sell it in the rich countries, get even richer.
Only the companies will benefit from this long term, it's called corporatism (capitalism gone too far).

And corporatism is also the most important part of some other animal normal people never benefited of: FASCISM.

Yes, the main component of fascism isn't racism, it's corporatism, why do you think corporations have always embrassed it behind the scenes.

And how come all those Patriotic business, care shit about communism when it comes to making vast loads of money?

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Also, does anyone have any proof that the above picture was taken in China? It could have just as easily been downtown Manhattan or San Francisco.

The Chinese are not stupid, it is innately human to want more and to live better. Many people did not ask for a lot in wages because they don't have a lot and living is inexpensive, but like any economy all lines of civilzation will continue to grow in a relatively constant manner. Taxes will increase, the cost of living will increase. The cost of healthcare, fuel and transportation will also rise.

Basic college economics dictates that the luxury of cheap foreign labor will not last.

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BRISK

Does it really matter? It's well known that many of the American flags you see have a "made in China" tag on them. Whether that picture was taken in China or not, the fact remains that Americans are buying and flying American flags made in China.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/gallery/im...263345,00.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0701/p01s03-usgn.html

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Alibaba.com is a site that helps people find Chinese manufacturers, look at their US flag section

http://www.alibaba.com/productsearch/USA_Flag.html

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davidd

You make a lot of assumptions. I have lived and traveled all over this fine earth. Your second assumption is also baseless, as I do not get my information from TV. China is what it is, a Communist regime where 99% of the population lives in shit, literally.



I used 20 million as an example of a good sized society, not some ass backwards indigenous population you are pulling out of your ass to 'show' Communism has worked. Small sects of population can always live a certain way. When you start throwing real numbers of population in one place that's when your pie in the sky forms of Utopia fall apart.

Right about what? Reviewing your statements, you still have not answered my questions.

davidd

I am one of the most realisitic people you will ever meet. I look at things from a first hand, world view. Let's revisit this topic in 10 years, or 20 years even. China's fundamental flaws will prevent it from ever being deemed a first world nation.

LittleSassy

oh the irony...:Oh Crap

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davidd

Products - You're right I don't much in the lines of trinkets and bullshit, but when I do buy things I make sure it is made in the First World. My cars range anywhere from a Porsche to a Cadillac. My clothes are made in Italy. My furniture made in the USA & Italy. I just did a remodel of my house: my floors came from Australia, my cabinets were made in Texas, my appliances were made in the USA (except my dishwasher -> Germany), tile was made in Spain, Marble came from Greece, counter tops from USA (NH granite), etc etc

I watch very closely what I buy, as should most people! I am 100% in favor of a market economy, so when people buy Chinese products, all the power to them. BUT I do not want to hear them cry when the ripple thru the US economy takes them out.

Africa - The corruption will never end, same with South America, but if they can get it semi-managed that will be the next cheap labor hot spot...

davidd

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=semantics

The meaning or the interpretation of a word, sentence, or other language form: We're basically agreed; let's not quibble over semantics.

I love how the Marxists come out of the woodwork to debate the word and effects of Communism as it applies to China's role in modern society.

davidd

Wow! Impressive list, do me a favor (since you are doing research), make me a list of every invention and moderization done by people of European descent. When you have the complete list, send it over... I will give you about 5 years to complile it.

Rinaldo

I read a couple intelligent replies and then some Ideologues replies.

I'm willing to go to the nearest University with someone and actually pick the brain of a professor or two.