It's gonna get harder to fly... - GoFuckYourself.com

2HousePlague · 08-14-2005, 04:11 PM

"Secure Flight" got a nod from Homeland Security last week --

The gist: to fly, you have to be on an "approved to fly" list.

Quote:

August 10, 2005

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: [email protected]

WASHINGTON - Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff has called for airline passengers to provide more personal information to the government to gain privacy, according to today?s edition of USA Today. The American Civil Liberties Union denounced the move and pointed to the consistently poor reviews of the Transportation Security Administration?s Secure Flight passenger screening system by the non-partisan Government Accountability Office.

Read more...

ABOUT "SECURE FLIGHT"

2HP

Sly · 08-14-2005, 04:14 PM

Hmm... just yesterday I read an article stating the exact opposite. The FAA wants to loosen up security and give more judgment calls to the TSA workers.

JuiceMonkey · 08-14-2005, 04:16 PM

great
this has some potential will also keep down waiting times

High Quality · 08-14-2005, 04:16 PM

That is fucked up. FUBAR

DamageX · 08-14-2005, 04:17 PM

"Approved to fly"? WTF? We got the EU trying to lessen the hassle of cross-border travel within the union, and now here we have the US trying to increase it for domestic flying? If that ain't fucked up, then I don't know what is... Next thing you know they'll put customs between US states...

2HousePlague · 08-14-2005, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

Hmm... just yesterday I read an article stating the exact opposite. The FAA wants to loosen up security and give more judgment calls to the TSA workers.

not surprised, the FAA is beholden to the airlines for all kinds of fees. but i think homeland security (aka "the governement that will haul yer ass to another country, keep ya locked up without process and smile for CNN") will likely be the one to decide what happens.

2HP

JJ Gold · 08-14-2005, 04:19 PM

Most people have no business being on an airplane. Only people on business should be allowed to fly during the week. Keep the riff-raff wearing the flip-flops and t-shirts out of the airport. Those scumbags can go Greyhound.

ry0t · 08-14-2005, 04:20 PM

I doubt this also.

DamageX · 08-14-2005, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Gold

Most people have no business being on an airplane. Only people on business should be allowed to fly during the week. Keep the riff-raff wearing the flip-flops and t-shirts out of the airport. Those scumbags can go Greyhound.

Imagine the air fares you'd be paying if this was the case.

2HousePlague · 08-14-2005, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ry0t

I doubt this also.

why?

2HP

JJ Gold · 08-14-2005, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

Imagine the air fares you'd be paying if this was the case.

It would be well worth it. I will pay top dollar if I don't have to get into a cattle car with scumbags.

I wear a suit when I travel. I show respect. That is lost on most people.

Sly · 08-14-2005, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Gold

Most people have no business being on an airplane. Only people on business should be allowed to fly during the week. Keep the riff-raff wearing the flip-flops and t-shirts out of the airport. Those scumbags can go Greyhound.

Ah, so you want to eliminate tourism now? Great idea.

DamageX · 08-14-2005, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Gold

It would be well worth it. I will pay top dollar if I don't have to get into a cattle car with scumbags.

I wear a suit when I travel. I show respect. That is lost on most people.

Trust me, when the other businessman would go Greyhound, because of air fares skyrocketing, you might end up paying much more than you ever expected, not even sure you'd be prepared to pay that. Just get a private jet and travel any way you want. No cattle around.

ry0t · 08-14-2005, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

why?

2HP

Because congress needs to pass it as usual and I doubt that will happen.

Shoehorn! · 08-14-2005, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Gold

Most people have no business being on an airplane. Only people on business should be allowed to fly during the week. Keep the riff-raff wearing the flip-flops and t-shirts out of the airport. Those scumbags can go Greyhound.

I guarantee I not only fly more than you, but pay more money when I do fly and spend more money at my destinations. I wear flip-flops and t-shirts all the time. Anyone can wear a suit, it takes someone with more cash to be able to dress however the fuck they want all the time and not be bound to a corporate dress code.

MrIzzz · 08-14-2005, 04:47 PM

yooooooooooooooooooo sexy hit me up sometime this week. remember when you asked if i had anything you could throw traffic at in FLA

i may have something you'd be interested in.

icq in sig

Pornwolf · 08-14-2005, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

Hmm... just yesterday I read an article stating the exact opposite. The FAA wants to loosen up security and give more judgment calls to the TSA workers.

That would be great but I don't see this happening in our youthful lifetimes.

JJ Gold · 08-14-2005, 05:01 PM

Drunken sarcasm is lost on some of you.

2HousePlague · 08-14-2005, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ry0t

Because congress needs to pass it as usual and I doubt that will happen.

um, brother -- hate to be the one to break it to ya, but the executive branch has been operating without the usual legislative branch checks for a while now. if we don't need the approval of congress to go to war, what makes you think they need it to keep you off a flight? you're in boston?

2HP

Shoehorn! · 08-14-2005, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Gold

Drunken sarcasm is lost on some of you.

Ah, I get it now.

ry0t · 08-14-2005, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

um, brother -- hate to be the one to break it to ya, but the executive branch has been operating without the usual legislative branch checks for a while now. if we don't need the approval of congress to go to war, what makes you think they need it to keep you off a flight? you're in boston?

2HP

It's too much work do you know how much money that would cost? It won't happen. Yes Im in Boston. Why?

2HousePlague · 08-14-2005, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ry0t

It's too much work do you know how much money that would cost? It won't happen. Yes Im in Boston. Why?

how much money to create a database and make ticket agents scrub against it - ? -- not much at all.

i asked if you were in boston because that's where the constitution was written -- a surprisingly short read, if you have the time --

2HP

ry0t · 08-14-2005, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

how much money to create a database and make ticket agents scrub against it - ? -- not much at all.

i asked if you were in boston because that's where the constitution was written -- a surprisingly short read, if you have the time --

2HP

I think it would cost a lot of money and time / effort. Every flght agency in the world would have to get approval to add to the database. Phone lines would booked solid. More than one building would need to be used in support staff alone to handle it. Your point is invalid.

2HousePlague · 08-14-2005, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ry0t

I think it would cost a lot of money and time / effort. Every flght agency in the world would have to get approval to add to the database. Phone lines would booked solid. More than one building would need to be used in support staff alone to handle it. Your point is invalid.

Everything in the above quote is 100% correct, except the line in orange. The costs of increased security measures associated with commercial aviation in the US, post 9/11, is estimated at $11billion -- paid by the airlines and taxpayers. Exactly who do you think would be objecting to this? Exactly. Now ask yourself if recent history contains any reason to expect that those objections will be heard, this time.

This is the Secure Flight schema, as best those with whom the DHS has shared any details of the proposed system have been able to GUESS:

2HP

08-14-2005, 04:14 PM	#2
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,340	Hmm... just yesterday I read an article stating the exact opposite. The FAA wants to loosen up security and give more judgment calls to the TSA workers. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

08-14-2005, 04:16 PM	#3
JuiceMonkey Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Brisbane/Vancouver/SanFran Posts: 3,581	great this has some potential will also keep down waiting times __________________ ICQ: 72251955 GTalk: JuiceMonkey

08-14-2005, 04:16 PM	#4
High Quality Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 5,741	That is fucked up. FUBAR __________________ RecurCash.com - Averaging $38/sale with 60% revshare in the first 4 months alone! Convert your TEEN traffic today @ better than 1:500 guaranteed. ICQ me: 18287590!

08-14-2005, 04:17 PM	#5
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	"Approved to fly"? WTF? We got the EU trying to lessen the hassle of cross-border travel within the union, and now here we have the US trying to increase it for domestic flying? If that ain't fucked up, then I don't know what is... Next thing you know they'll put customs between US states... __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

08-14-2005, 04:47 PM	#16
MrIzzz If u touch it, I will cum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 22,923	yooooooooooooooooooo sexy hit me up sometime this week. remember when you asked if i had anything you could throw traffic at in FLA i may have something you'd be interested in. icq in sig __________________ WHO WANTS TO PLAY GRAB-ASS?

08-14-2005, 04:19 PM	#7
JJ Gold Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,969	Most people have no business being on an airplane. Only people on business should be allowed to fly during the week. Keep the riff-raff wearing the flip-flops and t-shirts out of the airport. Those scumbags can go Greyhound.

08-14-2005, 04:20 PM	#8
ry0t So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 4,160	I doubt this also.

08-14-2005, 05:01 PM	#18
JJ Gold Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,969	Drunken sarcasm is lost on some of you.