51......

50 fired sig whores !

bump for the DO NOT BUMP old threads post.

hmmm.. i see y abeen Busy Dugmor!
haven't seen ya post like this in longest time
knowing how busy ya are
but I guess ya did have to clear things up for people here

sux for Gia.. but c'est la vie :(

Wow... this thread got interesting.

At first I'm like "oh shit please don't fire some single mother of 4 or whatever over this" but then I read that post from empress about idiocy and expressing themselves, deserving respect, and understanding the boards...

Man this is totally not aimed at anyone but the shit with off the street newbies actually representing companies and trying to drive traffic to their company's websites is unreal lately.

Go do a search for like any of the reps from any company you can think of that got hired within say the last 6 months to a year. They shouldnt' be making more than they would if they had a fucking paper route in my opinion.

It's not their fault thought at all I'm not trying to say that. It's just so hard for them now cuz it's crucial to know who's who and who is tight with who and who buys what or leases what from who and bills with whoever and history and politics...

It's crazy crazy

I agree ...... it is hard to hire people these days as sales and marketing reps cuase it is rare you find some one that is good who is not already working with a company. Starting out someone new is hard like you said becuase this business gets very complicated with all the terms and words that have been coined by our industry and all the small groups of people networked together working as one.

I try to sit with everyone we are hiring to explain to them how some of it works. I told them to go to the boards and read read read. If they feel the need to post...... only post on something they kinda know something about.

Every board is different.... some boards you get accused of spamming if try to talk about business...... other boards you get blasted if you do not talk about business.

I do not think you have to worry about her. She has a pretty good education and I am sure she will be able to find work somewhere else. I guess this job was'nt right for her. I do appraciate you bringing it to my attention becuase it is hard to watch over every single thing.

Most everyone knows Slim and I still work very closely with out affilates. We are trying to hire some people to help out with the sales and marketing. We would like to train people and teach them about what we do and how we would like it to be presented.

The difference is those you talk about above when comparing them to your new employees are actual webmasters, where as the ones you have posting are here just to post.

should have trained her better - then she wouldnt have been fired by now. poor woman.

Dugmor...
You hired board whores. Just admit they are all useless outsourced pieces of shit and we can all go home happy. No one really cares - and will forget about all of this in 26.2 minutes anyway (it's the gfy way right?)

BTW you have dreads and run a program right? What was it called? Gia... gio.... I dunno some postwhore asshole owns it I think. Wait what? I don't care anymore. Next.

Dude you know I love you man...but come on.
Hiring some college kid out of the philippines to be an affiliate rep, sales rep, marketing rep when they don't know squat about this business, or who is in it?

Let's just call it what it is. Sigwhoring.

We are all here sigwhoring to some degree or another. But when it comes from people who have zero clue about this business, and their only job is to just respond as a webmaster, a businessman, a peer of yours it offends me as much as it offends me when the piece of shit board whores for AOS etc get busy

There needs to be an affiliate rep training course :) I should do that.. gimmie half her salary for three months and ill work with her one on one... :winkwink:

Ha I sooo need to go to bed, I'm beat. I gotta get up at 7...

Nooooo wayyyyyyyyyyyy, that girl got fired??? :1orglaugh

You talk about new people you hired and now fired or this is a big stunt, whatever. I am a nobody, but I'm sure there are others who lurk or just visit this board that feel the same way. I will never promote your program or even click on your sig. Even if I see it in the future you have left a bad taste for me here and a thread your "new people" had about sex with a dog! A stunt or whatever, it was unprofessional and I wish you the best. I have no hard feeling just my :2 cents:

They may be board whores...... but they are not outsourced.

Everyone has to start somewhere. Part of learning about the business if going to the boards. Reading of course more than posting in the beginning.

I have read some of your threads and it seems like you have more a of problem with outsourced employees from the Philippines. I have never tried outsourcing, for some companies it works. I would rather work with people who are in the same office.

Some sig whores may eventually move up to become an affiliate manager but everyone still needs to start out and learn the business.

I have seen on other boards that they do not want you to post in old threads......" The things we dont like
1. Posting in OLD threads, stick to the first few pages if you want to comment in a thread. "

But I did'nt know it was agianst the GFY rules to bump up old threads.
http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html

I will make sure everyone knows it is not allowed. Sorry about that.

I can definitely work that into the budget if you want to work with my other new employees. The only problem is after all that training. It is never a guarantee people are going to stay.

It is not a stunt. I am just keeping people up to date on what happened. Sorry you feel that way. I really do not understand the part where you are talking about sex with the dog.

I think it would do a lot of good for both them and your buisness if they were trained up about things within the industry before they started posting. Get them doing TGP galleries or submitting for a while so they actually have some real understanding of how the industry works and then they will be able to relate to the people they are talking to on the boards.

One or two board whores who actually know the industry will go a lot further than a bunch that just annoy people.

Dugmor your posts in this thread have earned my respect, you seem like a cool cat and Baddog told me you're a good guy. Sorry that you had a couple bad newbies that gave the boards a poor initial impression, and I wish you the best of luck in getting the rest trained properly!

Thechad -- what thread are you referring to, about sex with a dog? I haven't seen that one either... if that was one of Dugmore's newbies that is -very- bad indeed :( He seems to be putting in a good effort of turning it all around though. Just my 2cents

Thanks RRRRED it was getting old

I have a different department that does the TGP/MGP submissions. But I did have them work with that department but only for a day to see what it is like to submit galleries.....Also in case someone in the submission department is absent they can submit to my partner accounts.

But I do agree they need to be more experienced with all aspects of the business.

There are definitely people who post a lot on GFY and have a good idea of this business and buying their sigs could be probably better. But then again, the filipino guys and girls probably earn the same for being a rep. as other people would get just for their sigs or even less.

BTW I see Niche Pay Pete KT above... that reminds me that there are also lots of people with Niche Pay in their names... I guess it's a new trend to put the company's names into nicknames for branding.

When it comes to NichePay - StuarttD would be sufficient, he adds really a lot to this board so he brings them probably most business with his posts. :winkwink:

Thanks......there are still so many other things I need to take care of. We have new sites coming out that need attention to design. New models and content to shoot. Free sites to build.... ect ect ect. I am looking to hire some experienced sales reps, but like I said most of the best ones are already taken.

I appreciate RRRED as a mod and I know how hard it is to mod a forum. I agree that bumping some threads are useless.. I am trying to see what thread was bumped that was so bad.

Buying someone sig would be the easiest way out.
It has more to do with working with someone from the ground up. Teaching them what our company does and where we could benifit others. Not as much as just buying a sig for views.

I guess the trend of adding the companies name is for branding. I guess the sig is not enough.

I have no problem with people who actually are employed by the company putting the company in their name....

Dugmor, do you ever get angry and lose your composure?

Which sponsors have 500+ hosted galleries?
 

ooops wrong post

Dugmore I found the 'dog sex thread'--Not impressed with Empress at all to start with, this thread didn't help any.

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/502637-sex.html

the "Gio_JoinRightnow just a little warning for you" thread have changed to "Gio_JoinRightnow your now fucked up!" thread :1orglaugh

for me ... this thread is a good moral lesson for those newbies who want to learn everything about the biz. :2 cents:

These people are employed and NOT outsourced.

They are Fresh Grads with IT or sales and marketing. But most of this business is learned from real on the job experience. That is the problem.... most colleges do not teach what is learned here on the boards. It takes time and I guess some people are not cut out for it. I also hire designers all the time based on there portfolio ( not as much as there diploma ) After a week or two I may find out that there style is not exactly what I was looking for. I loose on the time I spent with them and also I pay them for the time they spent working with me no matter how long it is. But you guys never see those designs. This is just part of my growing pains having to find and train the right people.

Not really . Patience is my virtue.

I agree we can all do with out the " wakekekeke " in EVERY post.

GFY brings out the wierdest thoughts in people I guess.

Dugmor, I know you're being respectful and all and I appreciate it. This thread turned into something somewhat educational so thank you for that. But I have a small sense that you might have taken it a little personally though...

Bumping old threads isn't on the rules page or anything and I didn't really mean to make a huge issue out of it. I just wanted your posters to know that it's irritating people and I was getting complaints on icq so I thought just a little heads up for them will make them chill out a little before making further asses out of themselves. Plus I also needed the complainers to stop bugging me so I could get some actual work done.

No big deal... They didn't know any better... But WOW that thread that Sin posted EESH... I didn't even see that one. That's messed up. It's almost like they're ridiculously high on crack literally. OK I'll stop picking on you haha...

I don't know about respected, but I'm filipino as well.

I'd like to think Eros would have said that about any nationality.

Maybe I was wrong. There are Filipinos who have never left the P.I. that speak better english than you or me.

English is the 2nd language of the Phillipines. You are starting to show your ignorance.

You told me you were swedish :helpme

I was trying to get into your pants.

All these years later, still no joy. :(

Hope springs eternal! :upsidedow

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

she doesn't seem to be that smart...how the hell did she managed to finished her degree :helpme :Oh crap

SIGH! Poor RRRed. At least soon, I should be fitted with my own Super Moderator decoder ring and share some of the burden. :Oh crap

Fire Stacey_JoinRightNow too for doing the same shit on every forum and creating a 4page thread about it on **another board**:
http://bbs.i-would-love-to-keep-this...but-i-cant.com

While you're at it, fire yourself too.

Very soon!! Thank you for the .gif btw I'm likin it

Give me a fucking break.

show me any of these board whores hired from the PI are at the same level of comprehension as you or me.

That's the issue at hand, not just speaking it, but understanding it within the context of the discussion.

The simple fact is this is a very difficult business that entails a lot of subtelties when it comes to language. Why? Because we are advertisers and a lot of our customers speak english as a first language, and most if not all of the rest speak it as a second language.

We as a group, an industry spend hours upon hours "tweakin" text, ad copy whatever you want to call it to maximize conversions, SE placement etc.

So with that in mind, if you want to hire "marketing" people who speak the language, but fail to understand it in all it's subtleties then good luck with that.

I think it would be wiser to take the salaries of 3 combined "marketing" people from the PI and combine that and add a few $'s and hire 1 marketing person who has shown success in this business and leave the grunt work to employees who get paid a grunts pay.

Come on Dugmor quit spinning the bullshit.

These girls are never going to become some serious affiliate managesr for your company.

I have said this before. What's the difference between a webmaster and an affiliate manager?

Affiliate managers have tits.

You are following the same path as a lot of companies. Hire a chick so the guys swoon over titties and ass they'll never see or touch.

But you added a twist. They are now Filipino chicks.

As far as having trouble with outsourced employees out of the philippines.

Yeah I dealt with the issue myself. Had a filipinio partner here in Vegas with a crew out of Angeles city, here and Los Angeles and even with hands on training, face to face training after 6 months I learned a lot about trying to teach people how to design for adult.

You either get it or you don't.

I can spot outsourced work a mile away.

#1 the quality.
Ranged from fucking absolutely fantastic, to downright horrible.
But the ratio was something like 1 out of 10 were great, the rest were borderline awful.

The color schemes used clash as well.

#2 the overuse of graphics to hide their lack of sales skills, or understanding of flow when it comes to ad copy.

#3 THE ENGRISH
Bad english is fine if you are submitting your own galleries, but if I want to use an FHG from a company based out of the US I don't wanna see shit like...
"click here for indeed lively porn all that can be presented is here."

#4 Theft.
And as evidenced by a lot of threads here on GFY and an issue I suffered from some of our own designers..because most cannot quite grasp the concept fo designing for adult they go out and steal concepts.

Not just part of them the entire concept down to the HTML.

I had to set up a system in place to overly analyze each and every design to ensure that this would not happen, and after threats of termination if it did they still tried to get by with it.

In the end what I learned was it was not worth it.

It was not worth my reputation to save a few $'s and try to build up a business I built up on hours upon hours of hard work.

I think in the end many US companies will come to understand this as well.

Sure if you want to be able to throw out a new site a week along with 200+ FHG's no cheaper way to do it than finding someone in the PI.

But my question once again is it better to have 1 high quality converting site or 10 mediocre sites?

I'd rather be in Quiet's position honestly.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Oh my side... I'm trying to memorize this. Thank you for the morning laugh.

I had a really awesome Russian girl that did the best design work ever. But I'd have to always write up our text. I never did it from the beginning or a project though cuz I thought there's no way for her to learn unless she just does it. (But secretly it was so I could fall off my couch laughing... not at her you know what I mean... just it was I guess you could say "cute")

Anyway I'm out of here for most of the day... thanks for the chuckle

You're welcome :winkwink:

This was actually a line a friend of mine found on a gallery about 4 years ago and from that point on we called anything outsourced or that had bad engrish in it...indeed lively porn.

It became an inside joke. He would send me a message with a link saying "check this out, it is most indeed lively."

Here's a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
from Pro Adult Outsourcing.

http://www.eroswebmaster.com/storage/examples/1.jpg

I looked at their portfolio and this one just stood right out because I have seen http://www.ispycameltoe.com so much.

Look at all the "similarities" in just this one example...LOL

This is the constant kind of bullshit you have to put up with when dealing with outsourced employees.

Let's not forget about the indeed lively text.
"see such kind of pussy in need of big cock"

eros - while you approach is "to kill", I must agree with almost everything you said on this thread.

You do seem to generalize alot about the results of work coming from non-english people tho...

So, what Pinoy or group of Pinoys pissed you off?

Generalizations is usually the first step when noticing racism.