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  • Fletch XXX
    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
    • Jan 2002
    • 60840

    #1

    Donovan Phillips Ripping Me Off again

    As some know, I have a tour with DOnny as a partner deal.

    He paid me $500 for the tour and I get a percentage.

    He has begun using all my promo material that I made for my tour, to now make free sites and link his new blog. Inclusing mailing this out to affiliates and making money off of my graphics.

    In his original email, he admitted this was wrong and that he did not like using "things he did not own." And offered to pay me. He explained it as miscommunication between the guy he hired to build said materials.

    Well, the problem is My material is only to be used to push my tour which Donny is not linking.

    I got his affiliate email announcing these and opened a link and saw my banner, I thought "great donny sending some traffic to my tour" - well, not the case.

    I approached him professionally and off board. He replied said he would pay me, and now today its basically a "fuck you."

    I did not hear from him for days, so i emailed him again - and he has now low and behold he replies saying he feels he owns it all and he CHANGED HIS MIND!

    well, all i am asking that if he is using the banner he should link my tour or pay me.

    I even cut him discount rate instead of $20 per banner, down to $15 and he can use them for whatever he wants!

    None of this is part of the original deal and since he is not going to rectify this situation i felt I should at least inform those here of what a hot cold business person he really is.

    He thinks that doing a BYOT deal with him entitles him to use whatever promo I make for his OTHER sites, and that is just not the case nor is it cool.

    I do not see the logic behind this at all. Just because we have a percentage deal going he can use all my promo for his fucking blog?????

    fuck him and his blog.

    I dont expect to get paid and im not going to nurse this but i couldnt hold my fucking tongue, considering this is the guy running around giving Steve Lightspeed shit over ethics. Here comes this guy, ripping me off and im a fucking partner here on my tour.

    /rant

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  • Murderous
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2003
    • 3938

    #2
    Sounds almost identical to the last time.
    Fuck you once shame on him, Fuck you twice take it like a little church boy.

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    • After Shock Media
      It's coming look busy
      • Mar 2001
      • 35299

      #3
      Well if you did not sign over full rights to him in writting, then well all the creatives you made belong to you. Simple as that.

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      • Fletch XXX
        GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
        • Jan 2002
        • 60840

        #4
        Originally posted by Murderous
        Sounds almost identical to the last time.
        Fuck you once shame on him, Fuck you twice take it like a little church boy.
        exactly. I have asked him to pull the tour and he wont. He just keeps saying i was paid $500 and that is that.

        I do not see how this guy think he can pay me 500 bucks for a tour, and then just add on 35+ banners, multiple galleries, and graphics. I mean im not talking 1 banner. I am talking the whole fleet of promo. All banners etc.

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        • jact
          Confirmed User
          • Sep 2002
          • 9134

          #5
          C&D and DMCA, if you don't expect to get paid, at least get it removed.
          Free agent

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          • StuartD
            Sofa King Band
            • Jul 2002
            • 29903

            #6
            evening drama? oh the humanity!!
            This is me on facebook
            This is me on twitter

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            • Fletch XXX
              GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
              • Jan 2002
              • 60840

              #7
              and he is now telling me i should have been providing him with MORE PROMO for his affiliates. yet he is using graphics from my stuff.

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              • azguy
                Confirmed User
                • Nov 2004
                • 5167

                #8
                ICQ contracts... LOL

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                • Stallion
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jan 2001
                  • 6632

                  #9
                  Damn that sucks Fletch.. Hope you get the money your owed.
                  Project Manager/Program Manager/Webmaster Seeking Work

                  [email protected] icq 856554

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                  • Fletch XXX
                    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                    • Jan 2002
                    • 60840

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jact
                    C&D and DMCA, if you don't expect to get paid, at least get it removed.
                    well how can you believe a liar?

                    he TOLD me he would pay me, then days go by and then he says he doesnt feel he should.

                    People should avoid people like this at all costs.

                    If he was a man of his word he would have handled this days ago, and there would be NO DRAMA!

                    in my emails I even told him I was tired of board drama.

                    well, i guess he thinks i wont make a thread after he tries to crawfish me.

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                    • Fletch XXX
                      GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                      • Jan 2002
                      • 60840

                      #11
                      Originally posted by azguy
                      ICQ contracts... LOL
                      our deal was done over the phone and through ccbill partner forms.

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                      • Donny
                        As you wish...
                        • May 2002
                        • 13754

                        #12
                        First of all this is complete bullshit. I'm making screencaps right now. Fletch is being a little drama bitch again. More shortly.

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                        • Fletch XXX
                          GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                          • Jan 2002
                          • 60840

                          #13
                          and actually, our partnership deal on the site should have ZERO to do with this.

                          what does tour stats and traffic have to do with using my banners, that are for my tour, to push your blog?

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                          • After Shock Media
                            It's coming look busy
                            • Mar 2001
                            • 35299

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Fletch XXX

                            well, i guess he thinks i wont make a thread after he tries to crawfish me.
                            Crawfish? Explain this one to me. I do not think I have heard it used this way before.

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                            • Fletch XXX
                              GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 60840

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                              First of all this is complete bullshit. I'm making screencaps right now. Fletch is being a little drama bitch again. More shortly.
                              You are using 35+ banners, galleries, and no telling what else that are supposed to be used to push my tour.

                              You can post anything you like, but you cant sidestep the simple fact that you are using promo materials for my tour to send traffic to your blog.

                              through hosted materials you provide your affiliates. you are making money right now off of them, why not just pay me?

                              or link my tour?

                              its as simple as that.

                              in think you have other interests.

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                              • azguy
                                Confirmed User
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 5167

                                #16
                                Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                First of all this is complete bullshit. I'm making screencaps right now. Fletch is being a little drama bitch again. More shortly.
                                I liked your blog entry from today

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                                • jact
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Sep 2002
                                  • 9134

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                  First of all this is complete bullshit. I'm making screencaps right now. Fletch is being a little drama bitch again. More shortly.
                                  If it's bullshit, you and Fletch should make things right.

                                  If it isn't bullshit, you and Fletch should make things right.

                                  See a trend? Just my opinion however.
                                  Free agent

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                                  • TurboAngel
                                    H.B.I.C.
                                    • Jun 2003
                                    • 30122

                                    #18

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                                    • Fletch XXX
                                      GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                      • Jan 2002
                                      • 60840

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by jact
                                      If it's bullshit, you and Fletch should make things right.

                                      If it isn't bullshit, you and Fletch should make things right.

                                      See a trend? Just my opinion however.
                                      I tried to handle this in emails.

                                      Its been days he has been ignoring me.

                                      Then you know what he emails me? That he and his ex-wife are fighting over kindergarten.

                                      like i give a fuck.

                                      Im trying to handle stolen banners and he is telling me about his ex-wife.

                                      you know the line: fuck you pay me.

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                                      • Fletch XXX
                                        GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                        • Jan 2002
                                        • 60840

                                        #20
                                        Bottom line DOnny either pay me or stop using the banners.

                                        How simple is that?

                                        I mean, you dont have $500?

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                                        • Fletch XXX
                                          GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                          • Jan 2002
                                          • 60840

                                          #21
                                          Bottom line DOnny either pay me or stop using the banners.

                                          How simple is that?

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                                          • Donny
                                            As you wish...
                                            • May 2002
                                            • 13754

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by jact
                                            If it's bullshit, you and Fletch should make things right.

                                            If it isn't bullshit, you and Fletch should make things right.

                                            See a trend? Just my opinion however.

                                            I tried. Fletch blows up unless you see things entirely his way. Then he goes to the boards. Same as last time. This time I'm not going to be nice and hold my tongue. Everyone will soon see exactly how shitty his designs convert.

                                            Again, I tried to talk to him. At first I told him his first offer was acceptable, then I looked up all the details of our arrangement and decided I wasn't going to let him fuck me over just because he's a hothead. So I emailed him to begin discussing a more fair solution and he brings it to the boards.

                                            Screen shots and proof shortly. I am entirely in the right here, as you'll all soon see.

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                                            • SomeCreep
                                              :glugglug
                                              • Mar 2003
                                              • 26118

                                              #23
                                              Ugh, what a mess. This is why it's best to pay a flat rate for design work. Also, why it's best to get a contract stating the buyer owns all rights to the material for whatever use they desire.

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                                              • Fletch XXX
                                                GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                • Jan 2002
                                                • 60840

                                                #24
                                                35 banners at DISCOUNTED price instead of 20 a piece.

                                                15$ x 35 = 525.

                                                this could have been settled days ago.

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                                                • Fletch XXX
                                                  GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                  • 60840

                                                  #25
                                                  someone else ask, what does my tour have to do with using promo?

                                                  WHAT DOES A TOUR AND ITS CONVERSIONS HAVE TO DO WITH you using my promo materials for your blog?

                                                  Show me part of our original deal that said you can use my graphics for your *other sites*

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                                                  • wjxxx
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                    • 4448

                                                    #26
                                                    Sig Placement

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                                                    • jact
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                      • 9134

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                      I tried. Fletch blows up unless you see things entirely his way. Then he goes to the boards. Same as last time. This time I'm not going to be nice and hold my tongue. Everyone will soon see exactly how shitty his designs convert.

                                                      Again, I tried to talk to him. At first I told him his first offer was acceptable, then I looked up all the details of our arrangement and decided I wasn't going to let him fuck me over just because he's a hothead. So I emailed him to begin discussing a more fair solution and he brings it to the boards.

                                                      Screen shots and proof shortly. I am entirely in the right here, as you'll all soon see.
                                                      In the right or not, sometimes a bit of compromise goes a long way. I'm not taking sides, I think you and Fletch are good guys. I just think a bucket of salt goes a long way sometimes.
                                                      Free agent

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                                                      • Fletch XXX
                                                        GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                        • 60840

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                        I tried. Fletch blows up unless you see things entirely his way. Then he goes to the boards. Same as last time. This time I'm not going to be nice and hold my tongue. Everyone will soon see exactly how shitty his designs convert.

                                                        Again, I tried to talk to him. At first I told him his first offer was acceptable, then I looked up all the details of our arrangement and decided I wasn't going to let him fuck me over just because he's a hothead. So I emailed him to begin discussing a more fair solution and he brings it to the boards.

                                                        Screen shots and proof shortly. I am entirely in the right here, as you'll all soon see.
                                                        You have ignored me for days.

                                                        I emailed you, you said you would pay me.

                                                        I stopped pushing there.

                                                        Days later you tell me you will not pay me.

                                                        I did not blow up.

                                                        I am simply sticking up for myself the way I have to when people like you come around.

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                                                        • Fletch XXX
                                                          GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                          • 60840

                                                          #29
                                                          i am compromising.

                                                          i am knocking off money so this guy can pay me and be done then he gives me runaround.

                                                          i am bending as far as i can here.

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                                                          • Fletch XXX
                                                            GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                            • 60840

                                                            #30
                                                            he could pay me and this could be done 2 minutes ago.

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                                                            • Fletch XXX
                                                              GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                              • 60840

                                                              #31
                                                              or he could have paid me days ago when he said he would.

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                                                              • DeanCapture
                                                                Haters & Trolls SUCK!
                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                • 9275

                                                                #32
                                                                Fletch - nothing against Donny...but you should have learned the first time you
                                                                did business with him. Apparently, you two guys have a hard time seeing eye
                                                                to eye on things. That should have been a clear indication of troubles in the
                                                                future if you continue to do business with him (or anyone else that you have
                                                                a problem seeing eye to eye with).

                                                                Some relationships just are not gonna work out
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                                                                • SomeCreep
                                                                  :glugglug
                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                  • 26118

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Alert: Major drama detected. Mandatory sig placement posts may now proceed

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                                                                  • Fletch XXX
                                                                    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                    • 60840

                                                                    #34
                                                                    i was even willing to look the other way for the gallery template graphics.

                                                                    I told him this!

                                                                    I cut him deal on the banners and even wasnt going to pess to be paid for the templates.

                                                                    well, why not take me up on this?

                                                                    INstead he ignore me and then email he will not pay.

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                                                                    • TheSenator
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                      • 13340

                                                                      #35
                                                                      screen caps 123 screen caps 123
                                                                      ISeekGirls.com since 2005

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                                                                      • cherrylula
                                                                        lol
                                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                                        • 15969

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Of course Fletch's tour converts poorly, its not updated regularly because Fletch has not wanted to pursue more business with Donny because things just always get screwed up, this thread case in point.

                                                                        Now Donny thinks he's going to piss on Fletch's design skills by showing poor conversions on that tour? Fun stuff.

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                                                                        • jact
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                          • 9134

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by DeanCapture
                                                                          Fletch - nothing against Donny...but you should have learned the first time you
                                                                          did business with him. Apparently, you two guys have a hard time seeing eye
                                                                          to eye on things. That should have been a clear indication of troubles in the
                                                                          future if you continue to do business with him (or anyone else that you have
                                                                          a problem seeing eye to eye with).

                                                                          Some relationships just are not gonna work out
                                                                          I have to agree with this post, sometimes no matter what, you just have to agree to disagree and move on.
                                                                          Free agent

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                                                                          • Fletch XXX
                                                                            GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                                            • 60840

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by DeanCapture
                                                                            Fletch - nothing against Donny...but you should have learned the first time you
                                                                            did business with him. Apparently, you two guys have a hard time seeing eye
                                                                            to eye on things. That should have been a clear indication of troubles in the
                                                                            future if you continue to do business with him (or anyone else that you have
                                                                            a problem seeing eye to eye with).

                                                                            Some relationships just are not gonna work out
                                                                            this deal was done beforr that.

                                                                            this is a tour that I did a long time ago.

                                                                            We have a partnership. There was no problem with this until I started geting affiliate emails from Donnys site about new promo when I looked and saw it was all my work.

                                                                            I learned my lesson which is why I didnt do anymore work for him. Now he us using these facts against me, saying I should have made more promo for him.

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                                                                            • cherrylula
                                                                              lol
                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                              • 15969

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by DeanCapture
                                                                              Fletch - nothing against Donny...but you should have learned the first time you
                                                                              did business with him. Apparently, you two guys have a hard time seeing eye
                                                                              to eye on things. That should have been a clear indication of troubles in the
                                                                              future if you continue to do business with him (or anyone else that you have
                                                                              a problem seeing eye to eye with).

                                                                              Some relationships just are not gonna work out
                                                                              Donny won't take the tour down. Fletch tried to resolve this long ago and again didn't see this one coming.

                                                                              Its like plucking eyelashes.

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                                                                              • aico
                                                                                Moo Moo Cow
                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                • 14748

                                                                                #40
                                                                                It's called "usage rights" and it should be included in EVERY design contract you write. I used to do a lot of graphic design, and if you don't put that shit in there, people will just think they can do whatever they want with your work.

                                                                                Example, I design a logo, the price is $2,500 for that logo with usage rights that only include Stationary and Store Signage. The guy wants to put my logo on hats and t-shirts, he then owes me more money. Wants to put it on his website, more money. Simple as that.

                                                                                Contracts people, they were made for a reason...

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                                                                                • Fletch XXX
                                                                                  GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                  • 60840

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  whether my tour converts or not has nothing to do with the situation at hand.

                                                                                  I was paid for the tour.

                                                                                  The promo matrerial however was done on my own and we had no deal regarding promo.

                                                                                  He simply started to give it to his affiliates and now thinks its his.

                                                                                  I just want to be paid, he can use it for whatever he wants after that.

                                                                                  either pay me or take it all down, how simple is that?

                                                                                  easy fix.

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                                                                                  • Roald
                                                                                    SecretFriends.com
                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                    • 27910

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    I suggest a webmaster knife fight!


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                                                                                    • sonofsam
                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                                                      • 18646

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                                                      Everyone will soon see exactly how shitty his designs convert.
                                                                                      just curious as to how his design conversions have anything to do with your arrangement?
                                                                                      I like turtles.

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                                                                                      • quiet
                                                                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                                                        • 25115

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by QuaShe
                                                                                        I suggest a webmaster knife fight!
                                                                                        i second this!
                                                                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                                        • sicone
                                                                                          Retired
                                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                                          • 18453

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Late page 1 sig placement....

                                                                                          hope the 2 of you get this worked out

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                                                                                          • Roald
                                                                                            SecretFriends.com
                                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                                            • 27910

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                                                            I tried. Fletch blows up unless you see things entirely his way. Then he goes to the boards. Same as last time. This time I'm not going to be nice and hold my tongue. Everyone will soon see exactly how shitty his designs convert.
                                                                                            Funny thing is I had the same thing once, made a tour wich me and my brother would promote exclusively for a program. After a while we found out the company put up the tour for other webmasters to promote and we had a hard time getting them to delete the tour. When I asked them if they were interested in buying the tour they were like nah the tour isn't converting at all. lol funny


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                                                                                            • Donny
                                                                                              As you wish...
                                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                                              • 13754

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Okay, let's get some facts into this:

                                                                                              1. Fletch Designed http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ in January of 2004. We'll get into the payment on this in a moment. First let's see what caused this current flare up. On to #2.

                                                                                              2. This started over some promotional materials for my new tour:

                                                                                              http://tour1.donnysgirls.com/

                                                                                              ^^^ This tour was designed by BoogieCFZ here on GFY. I told him that I'd like to get an alternate tour made for Donny's Girls and made an arrangement with him on it. Boogie asked if he could use all of my existing promotional materials for making new promo materials for this new blog tour. I told him, "of course!". He then used some of the promo materials that he found for http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ DISCLAIMER: Boogie had no clue that these promo materials were made by Fletch for the ncg tour1. I honestly thought nothing of it until Fletch emailed me on August 4th (last Thursday). Fletch wrote:

                                                                                              Hey man I wanted to email you and let you know I think its pretty uncool of you to use the banners i made for my alternate tour on your *new freesites*

                                                                                              Considering the deal we had for all that work, I think its shitty now to see these free sites covered with my banners that were to be used to send traffic to my tour now linking your blog. I designed those in good faith they would be used to promote my tour. I knew your affiliates would someday use them for your other tour, but to see you blatantly use them on hosted free sites and NOT LINKING my tour kind of sucks.

                                                                                              Im not gonna chase you down over this or make drama but this I have learned from this in dealing with people and design.

                                                                                              if you are going to use my banners will you at least send the traffic to my tour?

                                                                                              i was never paid for banner design, and now you link your blog with them?

                                                                                              I didnt design those banners so you could use them to push your blog.

                                                                                              Fletch
                                                                                              (continued next post)

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                                                                                              • aico
                                                                                                Moo Moo Cow
                                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                                • 14748

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by sonofsam
                                                                                                just curious as to how his design conversions have anything to do with your arrangement?
                                                                                                Absolutely nothing. You can't just take someones design's and do what you want with them, unless you have a contract saying you have full rights to them, you will lose everytime in court, and you can make a pretty penny from someone for copyright infringement...

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                                                                                                • Fletch XXX
                                                                                                  GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                                  • 60840

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by QuaShe
                                                                                                  Funny thing is I had the same thing once, made a tour wich me and my brother would promote exclusively for a program. After a while we found out the company put up the tour for other webmasters to promote and we had a hard time getting them to delete the tour. When I asked them if they were interested in buying the tour they were like nah the tour isn't converting at all. lol funny
                                                                                                  Donny is only trying to make me look bad.

                                                                                                  He has made threads on this board about how good that tour was doing.

                                                                                                  He also made threads on Drink More Post More as well about how good it converted.

                                                                                                  Again, NONE of this has anything to do with the use of stolen promo though. But I think the facts speak for themself in this case. He has threads saying it converts good, now he is going to prove otherwise.

                                                                                                  just to try and make me look bad.

                                                                                                  Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site?

                                                                                                  Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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                                                                                                  • Fletch XXX
                                                                                                    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                                    • 60840

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Hey man I wanted to email you and let you know I think its pretty uncool of you to use the banners i made for my alternate tour on your *new freesites*

                                                                                                    Considering the deal we had for all that work, I think its shitty now to see these free sites covered with my banners that were to be used to send traffic to my tour now linking your blog. I designed those in good faith they would be used to promote my tour. I knew your affiliates would someday use them for your other tour, but to see you blatantly use them on hosted free sites and NOT LINKING my tour kind of sucks.

                                                                                                    Im not gonna chase you down over this or make drama but this I have learned from this in dealing with people and design.

                                                                                                    if you are going to use my banners will you at least send the traffic to my tour?

                                                                                                    i was never paid for banner design, and now you link your blog with them?

                                                                                                    I didnt design those banners so you could use them to push your blog.

                                                                                                    Fletch
                                                                                                    yep, then he said he would pay me.

                                                                                                    then he put me on ignore.


                                                                                                    Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site?

                                                                                                    Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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