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dirtydesignz 08-08-2005 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio
lmao...raising faggish horses on a ranch is not growing up on a farm. Sorry, but it's not. There's a big difference when you're FROM a rural area and your whole family has always been from there and everyone you know lives there and you've never known anything else and being some asshole with money who moves to a ranch to raise his fucking purebreds. Call em rednecks if you want, but if it's all you've ever known, how can you possibly be ignorant? These people probably grew up doing the same things they let their kids do because their parents let them do it too. They see it as OK. They are ignorant to your standards only because they don't know or live your standards. It's alien to them. Like I said, it's sad and tragic and could have been avoided, but the question was, "what kind of parents bla bla bla...". I could be wrong, they could have been jackass drunks, but what I am saying, is that people who have always done something a certain way, will see nothing wrong with continuing to do it that way forever unless a situation like this arises.
Funny that you say what you've said....it really made me laugh. We WORKED on RANCHES raising horses and taking care of about 600 head of cattle in the middle of nowhere on many differnet ranches/farms. We have also put up more hay than you could imagine. We made our living from the back of a horse. It was harder work than most of you can fathom...our children worked on the ranches with us their entire lives. It was not a life of priviledge. We made just enough to survive. I knew families like you mentioned and as I said before...they were rednecks. We have ranched in Arizona, Colorado. Wyoming, South Dakota, Illinois and Nebraska and all in the most rural parts of the state and 99% of the families we knew were not irreponsible redneck motherfuckers like the parents of that little 4 year old.

So until you know what you are talking about, don't assume too much.

NickPapageorgio 08-08-2005 11:23 AM
This is the last thing I'll say on this subject as I think the point of my original post is being lost in the emotion of others.

My point is this, people are raised differently. Some never watch television. Some never go to church. Some never do this some never do that. The things you are taught as a child, carry over to being an adult. If you are raised as a child who is taught that 4 years old is independent, then it's in you. If you're never taught differently, then you will always assume that a 4 year old is independent. And so on and so on down the line until either a situation like this happens, or you are taught differently. The question was asked, "What kind of parents..." well, these kind of parents in some cases. Maybe not in this case, but in many cases, the parents are ignorant to the fact that what they are doing is wrong because they have never been taught any differently...

axelcat 08-08-2005 11:23 AM
I rode atv's when I was young as well but not that young

jennym 08-08-2005 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio
Here's a funny story, while in ocean city, MD years ago, we were crossing the street to go to the beach. My youngest brother, who was holding my cousin's hand (my cousin was 13), snatched his hand away and ran across, subsequently being hit my a truck. Who's fault was that? Should they have ostricized my parents for allowing the 13 year old cousin to hold his hand? Things happen, but my point is this, my parents apparently saw NOTHING WRONG with allowing my cousin to lead my brother across the street because we had done it 100 times. Hell, we had gone that day twice already. Sometimes a situation happens because it happens. Could it have been avoided? Sure. My parents could have strapped him in a backpack or put a leash on him, BUT they didn't see anything wrong with how we were going across the street. That's my point...
Of course, things CAN happen even when people are being responsible parents. But, why increase the odds by being careless and neglectful? Can my child be molested even though I watch her carefully? Of course. Does that mean I should just let a child molester move in my house, because after all...it COULD happen anyway?

NickPapageorgio 08-08-2005 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dirtydesignz
Funny that you say what you've said....it really made me laugh. We WORKED on RANCHES raising horses and taking care of about 600 head of cattle in the middle of nowhere on many differnet ranches/farms. We have also put up more hay than you could imagine. We made our living from the back of a horse. It was harder work than most of you can fathom...our children worked on the ranches with us their entire lives. It was not a life of priviledge. We made just enough to survive. I knew families like you mentioned and as I said before...they were rednecks. We have ranched in Arizona, Colorado. Wyoming, South Dakota, Illinois and Nebraska and all in the most rural parts of the state and 99% of the families we knew were not irreponsible redneck motherfuckers like the parents of that little 4 year old.

So until you know what you are talking about, don't assume too much.
If that's true, then I withdraw the stab I took at ya. :D But, like I said in the post above this, there are people who don't willingfully do that. They aren't "redneck assholes", they are just ignorant to your reality because they have never learned it. You know, there are people who have no clue who elvis is. They may be few and far between, but they are out there.

dirtydesignz 08-08-2005 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio
Here's a funny story, while in ocean city, MD years ago, we were crossing the street to go to the beach. My youngest brother, who was holding my cousin's hand (my cousin was 13), snatched his hand away and ran across, subsequently being hit my a truck. Who's fault was that? Should they have ostricized my parents for allowing the 13 year old cousin to hold his hand? Things happen, but my point is this, my parents apparently saw NOTHING WRONG with allowing my cousin to lead my brother across the street because we had done it 100 times. Hell, we had gone that day twice already. Sometimes a situation happens because it happens. Could it have been avoided? Sure. My parents could have strapped him in a backpack or put a leash on him, BUT they didn't see anything wrong with how we were going across the street. That's my point...
Some things in life are just accidents, like your story about your brother. If your Mom had LET your little brother out by himself to cross a busy street, then she would be to blame.

But the little boy riding an ATV alone in the evening is not an accident.

Sosa 08-08-2005 11:30 AM
stupid ass parents

dirtydesignz 08-08-2005 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio
If that's true, then I withdraw the stab I took at ya. :D But, like I said in the post above this, there are people who don't willingfully do that. They aren't "redneck assholes", they are just ignorant to your reality because they have never learned it. You know, there are people who have no clue who elvis is. They may be few and far between, but they are out there.
Thanks for taking back the stab :) I know what you mean, but I just can't excuse these ignorant people for letting their little baby die.

NickPapageorgio 08-08-2005 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by dirtydesignz
Some things in life are just accidents, like your story about your brother. If your Mom had LET your little brother out by himself to cross a busy street, then she would be to blame.

But the little boy riding an ATV alone in the evening is not an accident.
You missed the point again though. My parents THOUGHT it was ok to let my cousin lead him across the street, even though it was NOT ok. They were ignorant to the fact that it was possible a 13 year old's grip wasn't tight enough to hold a 5 year old from breaking away. They didn't know any better...

Same thing with the boy riding the ATV alone in the evening, if the parents were ignorant to the fact that it was dangerous, because they didn't know any better, and they had always been taught that 4 years old was independent, then I can see how it could have happened.

Would my 4 year old be doing that? Fuck no. Why? Because I know better...

NickPapageorgio 08-08-2005 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by dirtydesignz
Thanks for taking back the stab :) I know what you mean, but I just can't excuse these ignorant people for letting their little baby die.
Oh right on right on...I agree with you, if they are redneck retards..burn them at the stake. If they were responsible parents, just taught incorrectly to be parents, however, I feel for them because this must be a shock to them that it could even happen.

dirtydesignz 08-08-2005 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio
Oh right on right on...I agree with you, if they are redneck retards..burn them at the stake. If they were responsible parents, just taught incorrectly to be parents, however, I feel for them because this must be a shock to them that it could even happen.
If this took place in rural parts of Appalachian Mountains somewhere, where the people REALLY don't know anything but what they've been taught by their families because they never ever see anyone else, I might let it slide...maybe :)

mardigras 08-08-2005 11:42 AM
[QUOTE=NickPapageorgio]lmao...raising faggish horses on a ranch is not growing up on a farm. Sorry, but it's not. There's a big difference when you're FROM a rural area and your whole family has always been from there and everyone you know lives there and you've never known anything else and being some asshole with money who moves to a ranch to raise his fucking purebreds.
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LOL! Was that directed to me? Look up Kosciusko Mississippi (it's in Neshoba county). You don't get much dirt poorer rural farming area than that. My whole family on my mother's side was from there going back several generations and all worked on farms. My mother would likely still be there had she not moved down to live with my uncle shortly after he did to work at the shipyard for a few years on the coast. He moved back to Kosciusko but by that time she had met my father. Although my growing up was between the coast and New Orleans I spent most of every summer in Kosiusko. It wasn't until I was a teenager that they had paved roads anywhere near where they lived. A good part of their streets are still orange dirt roads.
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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio
They are ignorant to your standards only because they don't know or live your standards.
My grandmother, great grandmother and uncle would have never allowed my mother to wander away from the house alone at 4. I know that for a fact.

NickPapageorgio 08-08-2005 11:45 AM
[QUOTE=mardigras]
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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio
lmao...raising faggish horses on a ranch is not growing up on a farm. Sorry, but it's not. There's a big difference when you're FROM a rural area and your whole family has always been from there and everyone you know lives there and you've never known anything else and being some asshole with money who moves to a ranch to raise his fucking purebreds.
"My grandmother, great grandmother and uncle would have never allowed my mother to wander away from the house alone at 4. I know that for a fact."

If they had raised the entire world...none of this would have happened. :(

They didn't though...and that's my point :)

mardigras 08-08-2005 11:53 AM
[QUOTE=NickPapageorgio]
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Originally Posted by mardigras

"My grandmother, great grandmother and uncle would have never allowed my mother to wander away from the house alone at 4. I know that for a fact."

If they had raised the entire world...none of this would have happened. :(

They didn't though...and that's my point :)
Your point was that rural people do such things because they don't know better. My point is that I spent much time in and with people in one of the most "hillbilly/rural/redneck" places ever and nobody from there would have ever thought it OK to allow a 4 year old to take off on their own... and they were deep enough into the rural that they would never have to worry about any neighbors or strangers harming the children.

NickPapageorgio 08-08-2005 11:59 AM
[QUOTE=mardigras]
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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio
Your point was that rural people do such things because they don't know better. My point is that I spent much time in and with people in one of the most "hillbilly/rural/redneck" places ever and nobody from there would have ever thought it OK to allow a 4 year old to take off on their own... and they were deep enough into the rural that they would never have to worry about any neighbors or strangers harming the children.
I give up...

NO...my point was, that it's POSSIBLE for people NOT TO KNOW ANY BETTER!!!!! IT IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!

Holy shit...my post has NOTHING to do with where YOU have been or the rednecks you know. It has to do with numbers and people. If you search the world over, eventually, you will find someone who doesn't even know what a newspaper is. You'll find people who have no idea that the world is a sphere or that there are people who live in other countries. You'll find people who have no concept of an ocean.

If you are raised NOT TO KNOW any better than to let a 4 year old drive a 4 wheeler back into the woods at dusk, then you'd see NO PROBLEM with it.

Stop posting with your emotions and read my posts. I am not stabbing at you...I am saying that it is possible these people didn't know any better.

mardigras 08-08-2005 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio
I give up...
If you are going to continue to try to make excuses for what happened to this kid, you should.
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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio
NO...my point was, that it's POSSIBLE for people NOT TO KNOW ANY BETTER!!!!! IT IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!

Holy shit...my post has NOTHING to do with where YOU have been or the rednecks you know. It has to do with numbers and people. If you search the world over, eventually, you will find someone who doesn't even know what a newspaper is. You'll find people who have no idea that the world is a sphere or that there are people who live in other countries. You'll find people who have no concept of an ocean.
Those people probably wouldn't have the means to drive to the store and purchase an ATV. Kersey Colorado is close to a couple large metro areas and according to the latest census 80.4% have a high school or higher education, the median house price is $121,200.
http://www.city-data.com/city/Kersey-Colorado.html
http://www.hometownlocator.com/City/Kersey-Colorado.cfm
We are not talking about an area that is that rural, and it's not an agricultural area.
http://terraserver-usa.com/image.asp...lon=-104.56111
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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio
If you are raised NOT TO KNOW any better than to let a 4 year old drive a 4 wheeler back into the woods at dusk, then you'd see NO PROBLEM with it.

Stop posting with your emotions and read my posts. I am not stabbing at you...I am saying that it is possible these people didn't know any better.
Perhaps these parents are morons living amongst the sane. If that's the case I support what a previous poster said about their other children being removed.

PrintAdult-Sales 08-17-2005 11:29 AM
Parents that are too lazy to go on with the kid! It's so much fun!!!

EZRhino 08-17-2005 11:55 AM
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The kind that wants to collect insurance money from his death.


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