How many Americans have to die before the US ends the occupation of Iraq?

[Rich]

2000? 5000? 10,000? 100,000?

I'm interested in how many lives the average American thinks Iraq's oil reserves are worth. Is there a set amount of barrels per American life? How many of your relatives are you willing to part with in order to fuel your over-consumption of plastics and fuel for the rest of your lifetime?

[StuartD]

The more that die, the more that the US wants to keep at it.

It's one of those "they won't die for nothing" situations where they need to prove it's worthwhile, all the while more die for nothing.

[pornstar2pac]

dude, should we just leave so we can get blown up 5 years from now?

[Rich]

...and don't give me any of that shit about "spreading democracy" or freedom being "on the march", this thread is for grown ups only. Americans didn't give a flying fuck about the Iraqi people for the decade they were arming and supporting Hussein, they didn't give a fuck about them while they were enjoying "shock and awe" on CNN, and they don't give a fuck about them now.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Rich

...and don't give me any of that shit about "spreading democracy" or freedom being "on the march", this thread is for grown ups only. Americans didn't give a flying fuck about the Iraqi people for the decade they were arming and supporting Hussein, they didn't give a fuck about them while they were enjoying "shock and awe" on CNN, and they don't give a fuck about them now.

Too true. I seem to recall a lot of "turn the place into glass" remarks. When it was about WMD's, it was a "kill them all" attitude. Now it's "they're so precious, we need to free them and show them how great life can be."

[Rich]

Originally Posted by pornstar2pac

dude, should we just leave so we can get blown up 5 years from now?

Oh, so you're back to being in Iraq to stop Saddam from blowing you up? Nuke from Baghdad to NY in 7 minutes, I know I know. Sorry, the story keeps switching around so much I can't keep up. Or is it all the Iraqi terrorists you're worried about now? They do have quite a history of... oh wait, no they don't, not at all.

[The Truth Hurts]

do you ever discuss anything industry related, or are you so stuck in this I hate America routine that you can no longer function in anything else?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

The more that die, the more that the US wants to keep at it.

It's one of those "they won't die for nothing" situations where they need to prove it's worthwhile, all the while more die for nothing.

I think you're right about that, that was also the mindset a lot of people got stuck in during Vietnam. Do you think there's a point where we will just have to admit we made a mistake and leave?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

do you ever discuss anything industry related, or are you so stuck in this I hate America routine that you can no longer function in anything else?

If you're only looking for industry threads, you probably click on and posted in the wrong one here. To answer your questions, yes, and no.

Why do people like you think I hate America? Because I talk about things in a realistic way instead of burying my head in the sand and ignoring them? Explain what I've said that leads you to believe that I hate America? Do I also hate freedom and democracy? Is freedom on the march?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

Too true. I seem to recall a lot of "turn the place into glass" remarks. When it was about WMD's, it was a "kill them all" attitude. Now it's "they're so precious, we need to free them and show them how great life can be."

Indeed, it's a joke. Now you'll hear the same turn it into glass remarks about Iran. The way the media and the government has made Arabs out to be barbaric animals, I honestly think that the government could get away with nuking Iran after the next terrorist attack on US soil, even if it's obvious that they weren't involved.

[Rich]

Vote honestly folks, it's an anonymous poll. I voted on 5,000, I hope it won't take ten or more.

[directfiesta]

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally Posted by Rich

Because I talk about things in a realistic way instead of burying my head in the sand and ignoring them?

You don't talk about things in a realistic way, you do so in a condescending, snotty way... which makes you come off as more of a prick, than someone interested in an actual discussion.

[The Truth Hurts]

I'll give you this tough...
you've got the Franken, Maher, Stewart thing down pat.... all you're missing are the pauses for the canned applause.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

That's about right.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

I'll give you this tough...
you've got the Franken, Maher, Stewart thing down pat.... all you're missing as pauses for the canned applause.

You really don't understand the world outside of the pre-packaged version of it they sell you on TV, do you? You make it obvious that your views and opinions come from other people rather than education and personal experience. I have almost nothing in common with two of the three people you mentioned.

[Holly]

Apparently we're gonna have to nuke China and Russia, so hopefully that should take the focus off Iraq for awhile.

[Guitar Riff]

1 more to die is TOO Many

[thaifan99]

Anyone got stats/sources/predictions on how much oil America gets /will get from Iraq currently and in future?

[davethetruth]

Originally Posted by thaifan99

Anyone got stats/sources/predictions on how much oil America gets /will get from Iraq currently and in future?

http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/rankings/crudebycountry.htm

I'm thinking we'll just about double the amount we get from iraq once all is said and done.


As far as how many americans will die I said 10k, although I think it could be even tens of thousands more then 10k. I'm guessing we're out of there around 2010-2012 with control of the oil, but still not having control of the people/ insurgents

[Paco, of Large Cash.]

Originally Posted by Rich

2000? 5000? 10,000? 100,000?

I'm interested in how many lives the average American thinks Iraq's oil reserves are worth. Is there a set amount of barrels per American life? How many of your relatives are you willing to part with in order to fuel your over-consumption of plastics and fuel for the rest of your lifetime?

WOW, so that is what the war is about. Funny, I thought it was about something different, but if you (and that fat fuck M.Moore) say it is about oil, gee, it must be.

Think about this: If this war was over oil, why would the US be spending so much money & OIL on it?

Soon you'll start posting about your fund raising efforts for the terrorist, which are actually oil plant workers, and that is how they strike. Also, how they need to send their bomb-wielding psycho kids to Pakistan for more training .. Oh, my bad, EDUCATION.

Medic please ... some peeps here are screaming I do not know how to see the bigger picture.

[wjxxx]

I think they will stay cause Iraq is the best base to attack Syria and Iran -

another bandit countries ruled by fucking monkeys

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Paco, of Large Cash.

WOW, so that is what the war is about. Funny, I thought it was about something different, but if you (and that fat fuck M.Moore) say it is about oil, gee, it must be.

Think about this: If this war was over oil, why would the US be spending so much money & OIL on it?

Soon you'll start posting about your fund raising efforts for the terrorist, which are actually oil plant workers, and that is how they strike. Also, how they need to send their bomb-wielding psycho kids to Pakistan for more training .. Oh, my bad, EDUCATION.

Medic please ... some peeps here are screaming I do not know how to see the bigger picture.

what?


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[Rich]

Originally Posted by wjxxx

I think they will stay cause Iraq is the best base to attack Syria and Iran -

another bandit countries ruled by fucking monkeys

Only one country I can think of that's ruled by a monkey...

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Paco, of Large Cash.

WOW, so that is what the war is about. Funny, I thought it was about something different, but if you (and that fat fuck M.Moore) say it is about oil, gee, it must be.

Think about this: If this war was over oil, why would the US be spending so much money & OIL on it?

Soon you'll start posting about your fund raising efforts for the terrorist, which are actually oil plant workers, and that is how they strike. Also, how they need to send their bomb-wielding psycho kids to Pakistan for more training .. Oh, my bad, EDUCATION.

Medic please ... some peeps here are screaming I do not know how to see the bigger picture.

So what is the purpose of being in Iraq then?

And please keep in mind the "it takes money to make money" cliche.

[BellaSeaira]

Well I am not sure how to vote. I think that the whole thing is awful. I don't understand why we dont go after pakisan. That is where ossoma is they ans pakistan knows it and that is why they dont was our troops there. The people who commited the bombings in london all had ties to pakistan and had recently visited there. So I think we ar blowing up the wrong country in the first place. As for pulling the troops out it will take getting bush out of office.

[thaifan99]

Originally Posted by davethetruth

http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/rankings/crudebycountry.htm

I'm thinking we'll just about double the amount we get from iraq once all is said and done.


As far as how many americans will die I said 10k, although I think it could be even tens of thousands more then 10k. I'm guessing we're out of there around 2010-2012 with control of the oil, but still not having control of the people/ insurgents

So that was when it was flowing properly.............

notice the UK supplies about 30% of what Iraq does.......are we next lol?

[Paco, of Large Cash.]

Originally Posted by Rich

what?
78

That is exactly what I was thinking ... actually it was more of a WTF! It is sad how topic really was a rose to string peeps in to a Bush bash.

This thread should have been listed as [BUSH HATERS WELCOMED].

(Quote the part of my retort that confused you and I'll gladly explain.)

Before you peeps proceed with the burning, ask yourself this: what are your honest thoughts of the United Nations (UN).
(There is a reason behind that, and not until I see some response will I supply it.)

[psili]

This site, http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/, freaked me out. Especially the part about countries going to war to "secure" oil.

So, with that, I sadly voted for the 10,000 option.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BellaSeaira

Well I am not sure how to vote. I think that the whole thing is awful. I don't understand why we dont go after pakisan. That is where ossoma is they ans pakistan knows it and that is why they dont was our troops there. The people who commited the bombings in london all had ties to pakistan and had recently visited there. So I think we ar blowing up the wrong country in the first place. As for pulling the troops out it will take getting bush out of office.

Because it has nothing to do with finding Bin Laden or fighting terrorism. It has to do with colonizing states that stand in the way of United States global dominance. Everything else you hear is just nonsense to keep the population under control and feeding them tax dollars to use. Iraq, Iran, Syria, El Salvador, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, these are the main countries that do not accept neo-liberal colonization, and therefor they are our "enemies". It has nothing to do with keeping the citizens of the western countries safe. Terrorism isn't a bad thing to them, it helps them achieve their goals, which is why they don't go after terrorists like Bin Laden. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are the countries that breed and fund the terrorists, but since they allow multinational corporations to control their economies and resources, they are not our enemies, no matter how many times terrorists they breed attack us. The powers that be would never even consider doing anything to those countries as long as they're not fighting the economic system that keeps their people poor.

Read, if you have the stomach.

http://www.newamericancentury.org

[samsam]

fact is....... if USA leaves Iraq then the world must be finished.

no-one is gonna accept that we fucked iraq over and then left it to ruin. world will be over.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Paco, of Large Cash.

(Quote the part of my retort that confused you and I'll gladly explain.)

Originally Posted by Paco, of Large Cash.

Soon you'll start posting about your fund raising efforts for the terrorist, which are actually oil plant workers, and that is how they strike. Also, how they need to send their bomb-wielding psycho kids to Pakistan for more training .. Oh, my bad, EDUCATION.

Medic please ... some peeps here are screaming I do not know how to see the bigger picture.

That part.

[Paco, of Large Cash.]

Hmm, I see many of you talking about being blinded by the media, yet nothing about the historical problems with the Muslims (before the Bushs and the use of oil).

Who has what buried where?

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by BellaSeaira

Well I am not sure how to vote. I think that the whole thing is awful. I don't understand why we dont go after pakisan. That is where ossoma is they ans pakistan knows it and that is why they dont was our troops there. The people who commited the bombings in london all had ties to pakistan and had recently visited there. So I think we ar blowing up the wrong country in the first place. As for pulling the troops out it will take getting bush out of office.

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...."
- Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool,
The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on
official White House site

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by samsam

fact is....... if USA leaves Iraq then the world must be finished.

no-one is gonna accept that we fucked iraq over and then left it to ruin. world will be over.

No one will accept that? America does that all the time. What exactly do you think Reagan did in latin America? I guess they forget about those wars when they write up the high school history books. People will just be thankful that you stopped killing people and left a country to govern itself. Vietnam has been alright since America stopped "helping" the people there.

[Paco, of Large Cash.]

It seems you people are sympathetic towards the muslims, andyou hate G.B.J. (but not the Blair or the other so-called oil mongers).

So (add questioned comment here).

Yah yah ... WHAT.
I am not even an American, however I can see what the purpose behind the war is. Americans that are bashing, you should be ashamed. Pick-up a history book and learn, then post. Never mind The Enquirer and the other tabloid crap.
Oh yah, the victors wrote the history books so they are false.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Paco, of Large Cash.

Hmm, I see many of you talking about being blinded by the media, yet nothing about the historical problems with the Muslims (before the Bushs and the use of oil).

Who has what buried where?

So wait, it's not wmd's, or the support of terrorism, or the liberation of the people, or the oil.... now we're onto "we hate their history" as a reason for all of this?

[davethetruth]

Originally Posted by Rich

2000? 5000? 10,000? 100,000?

I'm interested in how many lives the average American thinks Iraq's oil reserves are worth. Is there a set amount of barrels per American life? How many of your relatives are you willing to part with in order to fuel your over-consumption of plastics and fuel for the rest of your lifetime?

This is a very ignorant post. Do you really think our government is so evil that it would wage this war just because of some oil?

Remember Rich, the liberals are just as bad as the conservatives.

There is so much more involved in this war then just oil.

Go back to late 1996 in this timeline:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middl...t-pre2001.html

Then think about all the innocent iraqis & middle eastern people that have died at our military's hands. Sure, it might have been for a good cause at the time, but they don't give a fuck, especially now! They've got their jihad on our asses and we're in a really bad spot right now in Iraq, with tons of factors and variables. Sure oil is one of them, but it's not the defining factor.

The saddest factor in this war to me is the soldiers, most who are poor and uneducated. Many have and will die because of all this, but it's not like we can turn back time. We have to deal with all this somehow.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Paco, of Large Cash.

It seems you people are sympathetic towards the muslims, andyou hate G.B.J. (but not the Blair or the other so-called oil mongers).

I never get tired of the correlation between "how many soldiers have to die?" to "You muslim lovers hate Bush and are anti-American."

It really helps me to realize how these discussions can go so off topic when there is such a huge comprehension problem.

[Paco, of Large Cash.]

Awesome defense:

And this is keeping on topic:
FROM THIS (THREAD TITLE): How many Americans have to die before the US ends the occupation of Iraq?

TO THIS: I'm interested in how many lives the average American thinks Iraq's oil reserves are worth.

[BellaSeaira]

The only thing I know for sur is that bush is a pice of shit who doesn't desevr to be in office. I still think the florida election was rigged in his favor and his brothe is a pice of shit for doing it. Why didn't people learn the first time there was a bush in office. Hopefuly if his brother runs for office people won't be so stupid an vote him in to office. I would rather have a man who cheats on his wife than a two faced asshole who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him in the butt in charge of the country.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by davethetruth

This is a very ignorant post. Do you really think our government is so evil that it would wage this war just because of some oil?

Remember Rich, the liberals are just as bad as the conservatives.

I don't seem to recall him mentioning any political party in his initial post... everyone knows any politician is just as bad as the other. What "our government" has to do with one party or the other, I don't know. It really doesn't matter who's in power... the fact is that it's the government pulling this crap that he's criticizing. "the government"... not the conservatives or liberals.

[BellaSeaira]

The only thing I know for sur is that bush is a pice of shit who doesn't desevr to be in office. I still think the florida election was rigged in his favor and his brothe is a pice of shit for doing it. Why didn't people learn the first time there was a bush in office. Hopefuly if his brother runs for office people won't be so stupid an vote him in to office.

[demented]

How many Americans have to die before the US ends the occupation of Iraq?

Answer: Too many

[Rui]

Originally Posted by Rich

...and don't give me any of that shit about "spreading democracy" or freedom being "on the march", this thread is for grown ups only. Americans didn't give a flying fuck about the Iraqi people for the decade they were arming and supporting Hussein, they didn't give a fuck about them while they were enjoying "shock and awe" on CNN, and they don't give a fuck about them now.

So true, the whole Iraqui ordeal has been a joke since day 1...I wonder what will happen to Iran in the near future...(and to the US pockets...)

[Theo]

i believe over 10k

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Paco, of Large Cash.

It seems you people are sympathetic towards the muslims, andyou hate G.B.J. (but not the Blair or the other so-called oil mongers).

So (add questioned comment here).

Yah yah ... WHAT.
I am not even an American, however I can see what the purpose behind the war is. Americans that are bashing, you should be ashamed. Pick-up a history book and learn, then post. Never mind The Enquirer and the other tabloid crap.
Oh yah, the victors wrote the history books so they are false.

There are over a billion Muslims in the world, so yes, I think almost any intelligent person is "sympathetic" towards them, assuming by that you mean that we do not see Muslims as an enemy in some sort of holy war.

Please explain what part of history justifies this war. What do you want people to learn? The Crusades? You couldn't have been more vague if you tried.

And when did pointing out the failures of a leader turn into "hating" or "bashing"? When a leader does something wrong, people who take issue with it are not "haters". I don't think discussing the Soviet purges would warrant anyone being called a "Stalin Basher". I don't understand why adults use this type of thinking when trying to discuss issues with people who do not support the neo-conservative policies. It's extremely childish and only makes intelligent people completely ignore everything you have to say.

[davethetruth]

It's pretty obvious to the whole world (except maybe 12clicks) that Bush and his admin has fucked up horribly in many ways since they've been in office. But who the fuck cares??? What are you going to do to help correct his wrongs???? Are you going to bitch about it on a message board??? Or are you going to organize a charity drive, protest, takeover.... anything???

If you do let me know because I might be game, but until then, bringing up all these fuckups is a moot cause.

Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...."
- Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool,
The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on
official White House site

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

[Machete_]

in 1 reply, Woj will tell you "50" have to die

[thaifan99]

50? ....................