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MetaMan 08-04-2005 01:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalai lama
It would generate more bombings from there side.

you cannot bomb with camels. :2 cents:

The Sultan Of Smut 08-04-2005 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienQ
Was it the oil? or Islamic idealists?

Better reread that part of Middle eastern history :winkwink:
"Mossadegh was tried for treason, and sentenced to three years in prison. Following his release he remained under house arrest until his death in 1967. The new government under the Shah in August 1954 reached an agreement with foreign oil companies to "restore the flow of Iranian oil to world markets in substantial quantities."

In March 2000, then secretary of state Madeleine Albright stated her regret that Mossadegh was ousted: "The Eisenhower administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons. But the coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development and it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America." In the same year, the New York Times published a detailed report about the coup based on CIA documents.


You tell me.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-04-2005 02:16 PM
SultanOfSMut -

I read the same thing you did.
Yup the CIA was on it, so was British MI6.
However the 3rd element not seriously taken as a factor in the whole thing were the Islamic religeous "Agents" at work as well. The Islamic Religeon was underestimated.

Look who won that...

The Islamic Fundamentalists of course!

QuaWee 08-04-2005 02:17 PM
But what about the U.S.?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-04-2005 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by QuaWee
But what about the U.S.?
The US lost its ass in Iran on a political level.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-04-2005 02:26 PM
Side note.

The USA's, CIA are bunch of fucking idiots.

Iran proved it and so did there latest "Intelligence" assessments regarding Iraq.

Seriously I do not think the USA's CIA needed to convince the American People falsly in the build up to war. Fake WMD claims etc from American CIA was not necessary. Saddam had to be removed the world knew it and the UN would have approved of strikes in due time. It was already evident and if Bushes move came with UN backing the Americans would have agreed anyways to fixing the problems of Iraq.

I said it before Bush is a stupid Texan, realistically he could have waited till UN backing occured. But for a few dollars more the USA went in alone with extra profits in mind. Ultimatly the right thing is happening IMHO. I just do not agree with how its all been done.

The Sultan Of Smut 08-04-2005 02:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlienQ
SultanOfSMut -

I read the same thing you did.
Yup the CIA was on it, so was British MI6.
However the 3rd element not seriously taken as a factor in the whole thing were the Islamic religeous "Agents" at work as well. The Islamic Religeon was underestimated.

Look who won that...

The Islamic Fundamentalists of course!
I read that when the people of the region expressed a desire to share in the profits from the sale of their one resource the British threw a tantrum and blocked all shipments of oil causing the economy to collapse and poverty to flourish. At that point the US and Britain worked to encite an anti-parlimentary sentiment which led to the overthrow of a democratically elected government and installation of a monarchy once again. The Shah then opened the door for foreign oil companies and it was business as usual until 1979; the rest we all know about.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-04-2005 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by The Sultan Of Smut
I read that when the people of the region expressed a desire to share in the profits from the sale of their one resource the British threw a tantrum and blocked all shipments of oil causing the economy to collapse and poverty to flourish.
Whats that translate to you?
It translates to me that those people wanted to increase the prices.
The clients (Oil Buyers) would be the same that would not change.

"people of the region" as you so say were Islamic Fundamentalists.


Quote:
Originally Posted by The Sultan Of Smut
At that point the US and Britain worked to encite an anti-parlimentary sentiment which led to the overthrow of a democratically elected government and installation of a monarchy once again.
Analylise that for a minute.
In the intelligence community it was a lesser of two evils.
Higher prices or Business as usual were really the two choices.
Monarchy was business as usual in this scenerio.
Thats why Intelligence is a failure when used offensivly. It fucks up everytime because some dickhead wants to keep a price cut on his backers.
Iraq is no different than Iran cept this time around its being done with Military might and not an intelligence slant.
The USA and Britians goal and the world goal ultimatly will be for Iraqi's to sell oil to the world for profit in Iraq.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Sultan Of Smut
The Shah then opened the door for foreign oil companies and it was business as usual until 1979; the rest we all know about.
Yes the Shaw...
He was the best of both worlds and thrown into exile by religeous fundamentalists.

Hollywood Horwitz 08-04-2005 02:46 PM
the idea of bombing for peace is rather ridulous..all actions will call for a response..

The Sultan Of Smut 08-04-2005 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlienQ
Whats that translate to you?
It translates to me that those people wanted to increase the prices.
The clients (Oil Buyers) would be the same that would not change.

"people of the region" as you so say were Islamic Fundamentalists.




Analylise that for a minute.
In the intelligence community it was a lesser of two evils.
Higher prices or Business as usual were really the two choices.
Monarchy was business as usual in this scenerio.
Thats why Intelligence is a failure when used offensivly. It fucks up everytime because some dickhead wants to keep a price cut on his backers.
Iraq is no different than Iran cept this time around its being done with Military might and not an intelligence slant.
The USA and Britians goal and the world goal ultimatly will be for Iraqi's to sell oil to the world for profit in Iraq.



Yes the Shaw...
He was the best of both worlds and thrown into exile by religeous fundamentalists.
A nationalized petroleum industry would not mean higher prices since every oil producing country would still be competing for sales (the majority of the oil the US imports comes from Canada and until the mid-80s petroleam production was a nationalized industry). That's just corporate propaganda.

What happened in the 50s isn't ancient history and should be looked at when discussing the motivations for current global conflicts - especially when 'speading freedom and democracy' is one of the justifications used.

woj 08-04-2005 02:49 PM
50.........,

The Sultan Of Smut 08-04-2005 02:50 PM
P.S. thanks for responding I love political debate :)

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-04-2005 02:51 PM
And The Sultan Of Smut...

Thats what leads some things to Maqtada Al Sader.

Iranian in Iraq pushing buttons.
USA should have just splattered em with a cruise Missile but instead rather than enrage Iranians the USA elected to let em live for a while longer.


So who is being polite:)?

The Sultan Of Smut 08-04-2005 02:56 PM
Well this one sort of deteriorated... I'm going for a beer.

tristan_D 08-05-2005 12:29 AM
I don't think so. I think it will just make the problem more worse.

PixeLs 08-05-2005 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Za Ha
Would that be a possible solution or would that start more problems?

Discuss.
I'm not sure but probably the worst of all options to be chosen.

Joe Citizen 08-05-2005 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by AlienQ
The systematic removal of a few cultures would actually benefit the planet as a whole.
I agree, lets start with American culture.

webcrawler 08-05-2005 01:34 AM
Yes, I think so and also taking control of the oil reserves. Thus, there's no more way for them to fund terrorist attacks.

wild 08-05-2005 02:04 AM
Iraq should have been leveled from day 1 afghanistan should have been next. The arabs that live around the world are easily identified so we can pickem off 1 by 1.

VeriSexy 08-05-2005 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by webcrawler
Yes, I think so and also taking control of the oil reserves. Thus, there's no more way for them to fund terrorist attacks.
OMG :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

reed_4 08-05-2005 03:34 AM
no it won't solve any problem. not all muslim or the arab people are that bad.

Rui 08-05-2005 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by webcrawler
Yes, I think so and also taking control of the oil reserves. Thus, there's no more way for them to fund terrorist attacks.
Thats a joke rigth? I mean come on :1orglaugh

Barefootsies 08-05-2005 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by gangbangjoe
bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

mardigras 08-05-2005 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by gangbangjoe
bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity
LOL, I love Carlin :thumbsup

mardigras 08-05-2005 07:07 AM
There are more murderers, rapists and other violent criminals in the US than there are terrorists in any given country.

Ready for the bombs? :disgust

Za Ha 08-05-2005 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mardigras
There are more murderers, rapists and other violent criminals in the US than there are terrorists in any given country.

Ready for the bombs? :disgust
How is that possible if the States only have 300mil ppl and a country like india or china has 3x+ that many.

mardigras 08-05-2005 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Za Ha
How is that possible if the States only have 300mil ppl and a country like india or china has 3x+ that many.
Are they all terrorists? :winkwink:

Mr. Mike 08-05-2005 09:19 AM
If the US stopped supporting Isreal, we would have instant world peace.

Rochard 08-05-2005 09:26 AM
Well, at the very least it would make TV interesting again.

No, we do no, can not, and will not bomb innocent people. Never gonna happen.

split_joel 08-05-2005 09:52 AM
Are you guys fucking morons? Blow up the middle east and you think that will end terriosm, i swear alot of you are the most fucked up morons ever. For one terriosm has been around forever, and it doesnt matter who you kill because there will always be someone more physco to follow whoever you kill. 2nd was it not the so called "Americans" who came from england and inslaved blacks, and killed off the indians who lived here first? Is that no different then what you are all bitching about saddam has done, bin laden has done. Face it human kind is fucked up but what would make us any better if we go do the same shit they do to us. You all need to grow the fuck up and get your head out of your ass.


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