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Centurion 08-01-2005 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mardigras
I like you :thumbsup Want a boyfriend? :upsidedow

Let's talk about it..over drinks..at my place.. :upsidedow

Sarah_Jayne 08-01-2005 01:04 PM

you all just love to take the bait and some of you use it to show what complete and utter biggoted fucks you are..

European Lee 08-01-2005 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc
you all just love to take the bait and some of you use it to show what complete and utter biggoted fucks you are..

Dont blame them hon, they cant help it if they are stupid :1orglaugh

Regards,

Lee

Sarah_Jayne 08-01-2005 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by European Lee
Dont blame them hon, they cant help it if they are stupid :1orglaugh

Regards,

Lee

must be a disorder

European Lee 08-01-2005 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc
must be a disorder

Must be, im sure a pill will be invented for it shortly :1orglaugh

Regards,

Lee

Myst 08-01-2005 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc
must be a disorder

Heres some quotes from a nice psychology paper
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In the last several years, a welter of new research has begun to point strongly to a developing fetus' intrauterine environment as a possible incubator of gayness. This new line of research has been scattered broadly across the peer-reviewed journals that collectively make up science's bazaar of evidence and ideas. But it all started with a little-understood birth-order peculiarity long observed among adult gay men: They tended to be little brothers, frequently in a household full of older boys.
"When I first encountered these early studies, I thought they were so preposterous that I dismissed them out of hand," said Ray Blanchard, a psychologist at the University of Toronto's Department of Psychiatry. "It struck me as the most bizarre example of pseudoscience."

Later, "by accident," Blanchard said, he happened upon evidence in his work that there might be something to this anecdotal oddity. He began scouring dozens of databases containing data on both birth order and sexual orientation. By the late 1990s, he had established one of the strongest associations with homosexuality in the field.
For a male child, Blanchard found, the more older brothers in his family, the higher the probability that he would be gay. A firstborn male has a likelihood of homosexuality of about 2%. But for a boy with four older brothers, those odds jump to 6%, Blanchard found. In all, he estimated, one in seven gay men owed his sexual orientation to this "fraternal birth order" effect.

In the last several years, a welter of new research has begun to point strongly to a developing fetus' intrauterine environment as a possible incubator of gayness. This new line of research has been scattered broadly across the peer-reviewed journals that collectively make up science's bazaar of evidence and ideas. But it all started with a little-understood birth-order peculiarity long observed among adult gay men: They tended to be little brothers, frequently in a household full of older boys.
"When I first encountered these early studies, I thought they were so preposterous that I dismissed them out of hand," said Ray Blanchard, a psychologist at the University of Toronto's Department of Psychiatry. "It struck me as the most bizarre example of pseudoscience."
Later, "by accident," Blanchard said, he happened upon evidence in his work that there might be something to this anecdotal oddity. He began scouring dozens of databases containing data on both birth order and sexual orientation. By the late 1990s, he had established one of the strongest associations with homosexuality in the field.
For a male child, Blanchard found, the more older brothers in his family, the higher the probability that he would be gay. A firstborn male has a likelihood of homosexuality of about 2%. But for a boy with four older brothers, those odds jump to 6%, Blanchard found. In all, he estimated, one in seven gay men owed his sexual orientation to this "fraternal birth order" effect.

Oh how youll be eating your words in 10 years when more research comes out. Are these scientists and psychologists bigoted fucks too?

Please

digi 08-01-2005 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc
you all just love to take the bait and some of you use it to show what complete and utter biggoted fucks you are..

sorry but you probably made the dumbest post in this whole thread.

mardigras 08-01-2005 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Centurion
Let's talk about it..over drinks..at my place.. :upsidedow

It's a date :thumbsup

WWC-DonMike 08-01-2005 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild
For me being straight is not "who I am". That is to say, my sexuality and personality are mutually exclusive.

In all seriousness, and with all respect and senserity, being straight is who you are and colors many of the things that you do.

Not all of these may apply, but take a moment to think about them. They are not meant to be an attack on any straight person, just things that WarChild's statement made me wonder about how our sexualities do affect other parts of us.

When you go out and you are dressing up to impress, are you trying to impress people of both genders? Or do you really try to look good for the ladies?

If you were going to the movies and you had a choice of a romatic comedy featuring a male/female couple or a male/male couple, which would you choose?

Ever have a night out with "the guys" so you can talk about the women in your lives? How would that differ if some of "the guys" there were talking about the men in thier lives?

Some people say that two men holding hands in public or one giving the other a peck on the cheek is "flaunting" their sexuality. Ever do that with your heterosexual partner? Are you then flauting your sexuality?

If you got an invitation to a gay or lesbian commitment ceremony would you think it was a gay couple pushing their lifestyle on you? Would you think you were pushing your lifestyle on a family friend or relative when you send invitations to a wedding or engagement party?

Again, I mean no offense, just wanted to give people something to think about. :)

Sarah_Jayne 08-01-2005 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by digi
sorry but you probably made the dumbest post in this whole thread.

how so? Unless you put yourself in the bigoted grouping I don't see what your problem would be with me pointing out that some people are indeed just that. Not only that but are so easily wound up that it becomes a game for the very people they claim to be annoyed by.

WarChild 08-01-2005 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WWC-DonMike
In all seriousness, and with all respect and senserity, being straight is who you are and colors many of the things that you do.

Not all of these may apply, but take a moment to think about them. They are not meant to be an attack on any straight person, just things that WarChild's statement made me wonder about how our sexualities do affect other parts of us.

Well certainly it colors the things I do, but it's not the core of who I am. I'll answer your following questions as honestly as I can.
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When you go out and you are dressing up to impress, are you trying to impress people of both genders? Or do you really try to look good for the ladies?
For me, personally, I dress to be comfortable in clothes I like. I could honestly care less who I was impressing. Anyone who knows me probably realizes I put very little effort in to this department. That being said, many people are not like me in that respect.

I submit though, that regardless of who you're dressing to impress, the underlying act is in fact dressing to impress its self. That is, the same person would probably dress to impress others of their chosen sexual preference, regardless of if they were gay or not.
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If you were going to the movies and you had a choice of a romatic comedy featuring a male/female couple or a male/male couple, which would you choose?
I fucking hate romantic comedy. If that were not the case, I'd most likely chose a male/female couple as it's a situation I could at least relate to. I can't relate to a homosexual relationship, for obvious reasons.
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Ever have a night out with "the guys" so you can talk about the women in your lives? How would that differ if some of "the guys" there were talking about the men in thier lives?
Of course I have, I think most people have. Again though, the underlying act is talking with "the guys" about the men/women in your lives. It's the same act regardless of what the subject might be. Do you think women sitting around talking about men is all that much different from men sitting around talking about women? The language may vary but the themes are a constant.
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Some people say that two men holding hands in public or one giving the other a peck on the cheek is "flaunting" their sexuality. Ever do that with your heterosexual partner? Are you then flauting your sexuality?
While some might say that, I would not. I know a lot of gay people, mostly met through a long term relationship with a girl that's in live theatre (Les Mis, Phantom, etc). I never considered gay couples interacting in a way that a straight couple might as flaunting their sexuality.

Interestingly enough though, I think acting like a flaming queer is absolutely retarded. I mean, they weren't born with that stupid fucking lisp. That's in your face gay and it's a repulsive as in your face straight (read homophobic).
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If you got an invitation to a gay or lesbian commitment ceremony would you think it was a gay couple pushing their lifestyle on you? Would you think you were pushing your lifestyle on a family friend or relative when you send invitations to a wedding or engagement party?
Personally I wouldn't think anything was being pushed on me. Again, pushing your lifestyle on me is not inviting me to a function that I can choose to attend or not.

Using the theatre as a point of refference again, if I've met 100 male dancers, all but 1 of them were gay. I can remember specifically a cast of 8 or so gay male dancers pressuring the 1 straight guy with shit like "How do you know you don't like it if you haven't tried it?". Now that's pushing your lifestyle on someone and actually led to one of them having a fat lip. It took that to shut him up finally.
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Again, I mean no offense, just wanted to give people something to think about. :)
None taken. :)

Sarah_Jayne 08-01-2005 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Myst
Heres some quotes from a nice psychology paper



Oh how youll be eating your words in 10 years when more research comes out. Are these scientists and psychologists bigoted fucks too?

Please


and some papers once said electric shock was the way to cure these disorders..or a good dose of god.

I do find this a bit entertaining because while I know Lee is intentionally going over the top it is is the type of 'attack' non-straight people take all the time and yet people fail to see that is what is being demonstrated.

European Lee 08-01-2005 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc
and some papers once said electric shock was the way to cure these disorders..or a good dose of god.

I do find this a bit entertaining because while I know Lee is intentionally going over the top it is is the type of 'attack' non-straight people take all the time and yet people fail to see that is what is being demonstrated.

Hey..

Stop giving away the ending before the rest of GFY has seen the movie :1orglaugh

Regards,

Lee

WarChild 08-01-2005 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc
and some papers once said electric shock was the way to cure these disorders..or a good dose of god.

I do find this a bit entertaining because while I know Lee is intentionally going over the top it is is the type of 'attack' non-straight people take all the time and yet people fail to see that is what is being demonstrated.

You give Lee far too much credit. He's really not that smart.

Sarah_Jayne 08-01-2005 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by European Lee
Hey..

Stop giving away the ending before the rest of GFY has seen the movie :1orglaugh

Regards,

Lee

don't worry..reading comprehension isn't a top skill here

Holly Lez! 08-01-2005 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Myst
people tend to argue or assume that because they enjoy being gay, that is not a disorder, theres nothing wrong with them.

but a person with schizophrenia may enjoy the little friends in his/her head, does that mean that person does not have a disorder?

LMAO, I think being a homophobic fuck is more of a disorder when will someone cure that?

Sarah_Jayne 08-01-2005 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild
You give Lee far too much credit. He's really not that smart.


Lee and Serge..two masters

European Lee 08-01-2005 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc
don't worry..reading comprehension isn't a top skill here

True enough :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Nor is common sense it would seem :winkwink:

Regards,

Lee

European Lee 08-01-2005 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc
Lee and Serge..two masters

Nah, i could never be put on the same level as Serge, you really do humble me though :)

Regards,

Lee

WarChild 08-01-2005 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc
Lee and Serge..two masters

Serge yes. Lee not so much.

This thread was a failure. On post #14 I brought it to life. It really had little to do with Lee. :2 cents:

mardigras 08-01-2005 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by European Lee
Hey..

Stop giving away the ending before the rest of GFY has seen the movie :1orglaugh

Heh, the ones who would really benefit from a discussion such as this likely didn't make it past the first few posts on the first page :upsidedow

European Lee 08-01-2005 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mardigras
Heh, the ones who would really benefit from a discussion such as this likely didn't make it past the first few posts on the first page :upsidedow

True enough although it entertained the rest of us non the less :glugglug

You also cant complain about a 3 day old thread lasting on the front page of GFY, thats almost unheard of unless its a 'contest' :winkwink:

Regards,

Lee

WarChild 08-01-2005 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by European Lee
True enough although it entertained the rest of us non the less :glugglug

You also cant complain about a 3 day old thread lasting on the front page of GFY, thats almost unheard of unless its a 'contest' :winkwink:

Regards,

Lee

As I said, that has little to do with you. After post 14, this thread was about me and not you. :)

WWC-DonMike 08-01-2005 03:50 PM

I'm just proud of the fact that while handling a subject that can be very touchy in this neck of the woods there were a few really thought provoking posts and the fact that I got to interact with people whom I may differ in opinion with yet still met on a common ground, even when we may have disagreed.

And WarChild, a few comments on your post. The lisping femme guys have as much to offer the world as anybody else does, but I understand where the hostility comes from. It's sort of like the beer guzzling male stereotype who football games painted in his team colors wearing silly wigs and burps and farts all over the place. He may not be the representation of all straight males, but you can't deny that he does exist. And he may very well be the guy who drives your kids to school or builds your homes, a valuable part of society, but someone you may think twice about inviting to your house to dinner. :)

And as far as the one straight guy who was being hassled by the gay dancers. While I don't condone violence, some boarders should not be crossed. I wouldn't want a straight guy telling me I need to try pussy, so why would I tell a straight guy he needs to try cock? LOL! People who pull shit like that just piss me off, no matter what side of the fence they are on.

Centurion 08-01-2005 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Direct Holly
LMAO, I think being a homophobic fuck is more of a disorder when will someone cure that?


Being forced to watch all 5 seasons of Queer as Folk might do it. :upsidedow

Sarah_Jayne 08-01-2005 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Centurion
Being forced to watch all 5 seasons of Queer as Folk might do it. :upsidedow

indeed...watch the original British version instead!


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