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TheDoc · 07-29-2005, 10:57 AM

I was reading over the FTC?s website about this spam crap that recently took place. What I found was mind blowing. This isn?t a bash against the companies that settled but it is fucked up. They agreed to some very fucked up terms. Companies that settled are: (BangBros.com Inc, RK NetMedia Inc, Ox Ideas, Inc) (MD Media) (APC Entertainment Inc)(Pure Marketing Solutions LLC) (Internet Matrix Technology )

You can read it yourself: Go to July 20th.
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2005/07/index.htm#20
Read the Stipulated Order ? Sections 4 & 5

Here is just a cut of a few things they must provide:
?A list that identifies every person who is marketing or promoting, through
commercial email messages, any goods or services of a Defendant since
entry of this Order;? ? U.S. mailers you are fucked, complaint or not.

?Accounting records that reflect revenue generated by sales to individuals
through an affiliate program and corresponding disbursements to participants
Defendant?s affiliate program on an individual basis, including copies
recently deposited check for each such participant paid by check;? ? The rest of us.

You should read everything they have to give up. And you should thank the companies that said NO to these agreements: (T.J. Web Productions LLC) (Cyberheat Inc.) (Impulse Media Group)

So the GOV can?t get a list of people to bust for 2257 because of the FSC, but now they have a list, a rather large list.

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Some info about spam and MicroShit?s BS company..

Paragaph Cuts From This Article By NWSource
"Microsoft provided help with the FTC's investigation upon the agency's request, said Microsoft attorney Aaron Kornblum. It offered evidence and analysis of e-mails received in more than 130,000 free Hotmail accounts set up several years ago as "traps," he said."

?The traps have been in place since 2003?

?The company has also filed more than 100 lawsuits against spammers and 119 against so-called phishers?

?Kornblum said Microsoft's 12 full-time Internet-safety attorneys, investigators and paralegals first collect evidence?

MickeyG · 07-29-2005, 10:59 AM

damn thats some dirty shit.

eroswebmaster · 07-29-2005, 11:00 AM

Shit - Meet fan.

Since 2003 huh? Something tells me this is only the beginning.

And as far as giving up info in settlements. Wow.

Snake Doctor · 07-29-2005, 11:02 AM

Well at least it says they only have to give up information on affiliates who promote via email, not all the affiliates.

But yeah, props to the companies who are fighting this.

SCORE Ralph · 07-29-2005, 11:06 AM

Good find, Doc. Thanks for the link...

TheDoc · 07-29-2005, 11:10 AM

Just so you know some of the agreements are different. I won't call out names but this is part of some peoples agreements.

"A list of all names under which each Defendant did or currently does business since entry of this Order;"

p1mpdogg · 07-29-2005, 11:12 AM

bangbros and pipecrew fucked their mailers lol

classy

OldSchoolJim · 07-29-2005, 11:14 AM

Is this the part where ithe IRS gets involved?

High Plains Drifter · 07-29-2005, 11:15 AM

Could somebody translate those companies into the programs that they run...

p1mpdogg · 07-29-2005, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinnywussy

Could somebody translate those companies into the programs that they run...

bangbros.com Inc = bangbros thats all you need to know

polish_aristocrat · 07-29-2005, 11:17 AM

looks like it applies only to mailers and not affiliates...

TheDoc · 07-29-2005, 11:18 AM

BangBros.com Inc, RK NetMedia Inc, Ox Ideas, Inc
http://www.bangbrosonline.com
http://www.nastydollars.com
http://www.oxcash.com

APC Entertainment Inc
www.adultplayersclub.com

Pure Marketing Solutions LLC
http://www.purecash.com

MD Media
http://www.pimproll.com (aka ARS)

Not sure..
Internet Matrix Technology

Machete_ · 07-29-2005, 11:19 AM

big deal, I really dont se any problem in that.. so what they have our mail adresses.
the only people that have something to fear it the spammers, and they pretty much dont care since most is set up outside the us

tony286 · 07-29-2005, 11:20 AM

I told you Tax evasion is so much easier then going for a obscenity charge. All those people that want to get paid by epassporte who see it as a way to get around the system. The system will find you ,they always do.

TheDoc · 07-29-2005, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

looks like it applies only to mailers and not affiliates...

They ALL have to provide either a list of ALL clients (webmasters) or accounting records of ALL webmasters. They do get a list one way or another.

p1mpdogg · 07-29-2005, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

big deal, I really dont se any problem in that.. so what they have our mail adresses.
the only people that have something to fear it the spammers, and they pretty much dont care since most is set up outside the us

keep on believing that.

tell us what it was like to be served by the ftc or the fbi or whoever does what they do to spammers. blanket prosecution, are you familiar with that?

its when they throw out a big net and real everyone in... then they ask questions later.

good luck!

Linkster · 07-29-2005, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

?Accounting records that reflect revenue generated by sales to individuals
through an affiliate program and corresponding disbursements to participants
Defendant?s affiliate program on an individual basis, including copies
recently deposited check for each such participant paid by check;? ? The rest of us.

That part of it was ALL affiliates - not just people that were doing emails - and is the part where they gave up all of their WMs

eroswebmaster · 07-29-2005, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

bangbros.com Inc = bangbros thats all you need to know

"Well, no shit!"

poking fun at bangbros audio mouseover.

Rinaldo · 07-29-2005, 11:23 AM

Wow the link is a long read

High Plains Drifter · 07-29-2005, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

BangBros.com Inc, RK NetMedia Inc, Ox Ideas, Inc
http://www.bangbrosonline.com
http://www.nastydollars.com
http://www.oxcash.com

APC Entertainment Inc
www.adultplayersclub.com

Pure Marketing Solutions LLC
http://www.purecash.com

MD Media
http://www.pimproll.com (aka ARS)

Not sure..
Internet Matrix Technology

Nice... here's the info on Internet Matrix Technology:

"Defendant IMT is one of the webmasters that participates in Pure Marketing?saffiliate program. IMT also participates in other, similar affiliate programs. 10. IMT advertises and promotes Pure Marketing?s web sites through widelydistributed commercial emailmessages that contain sexuallyexplicit pictures or text. Sinceatleast August 17, 2004, Defendant IMT hasmailed numerous email messagesthat advertiseand promote Pure Marketing?s commercial web sites to computers used in interstate orforeign commerce and communication."

TheDoc · 07-29-2005, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinnywussy

Nice... here's the info on Internet Matrix Technology:

"Defendant IMT is one of the webmasters that participates in Pure Marketing?saffiliate program. IMT also participates in other, similar affiliate programs. 10. IMT advertises and promotes Pure Marketing?s web sites through widelydistributed commercial emailmessages that contain sexuallyexplicit pictures or text. Sinceatleast August 17, 2004, Defendant IMT hasmailed numerous email messagesthat advertiseand promote Pure Marketing?s commercial web sites to computers used in interstate orforeign commerce and communication."

This sounds like the company that pointed the finger.

p1mpdogg · 07-29-2005, 11:30 AM

glad i dont mail anymore, bangbros would have ruined my life

RIP bangbros

cocksuckers
lol

die bitches.. p.s. i <3 pipecrew

OldSchoolJim · 07-29-2005, 11:33 AM

There will be a TON of irs fallout from this....this is how they will tie everything together....you are talking about a list of ALL affiliates of some pretty big proggies...AND COPIES OF THEIR LAST PAYMENTS!

Which may mean cancelled checks which have the individuals bank account #'s on them.....pretty easy to follow that info......bad times for the larger affiliates who promoted these programs......

Theo · 07-29-2005, 11:34 AM

they are not the only one that did that. This started 3 years ago.

Tanker · 07-29-2005, 11:34 AM

Wow is all I can say

Glad I dont do biz with any of them

TheDoc · 07-29-2005, 11:35 AM

Knowing this is ROUND 1 kinda worries me.. The FTC IS going after more companies, which means more information, more settlements, etc.. I wonder who is next to fight?

xxxice · 07-29-2005, 11:36 AM

So free email programs are done i take it ?

TheDoc · 07-29-2005, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2getit

There will be a TON of irs fallout from this....this is how they will tie everything together....you are talking about a list of ALL affiliates of some pretty big proggies...AND COPIES OF THEIR LAST PAYMENTS!

Which may mean cancelled checks which have the individuals bank account #'s on them.....pretty easy to follow that info......bad times for the larger affiliates who promoted these programs......

I pay my company taxes on every dime I earn so I'm not worried.. Check, Wires, Epassport Payments, etc.. But I guess I can see were some webmasters should be worried. I do know of a few "smaller" guys that just pocket the money.. Looks like the IRS will be busy.

Theo · 07-29-2005, 11:39 AM

hey tanker, did you receive my email?

p1mpdogg · 07-29-2005, 11:41 AM

glad i have paid my taxes the last 5 years lol

sucks that i pay so much though..

Dear president bush... will you please give better tax breaks to the rich and fuck the poor more?

thanks
trey

bigdog · 07-29-2005, 11:42 AM

Who is considered a mailer though? If you have a guy who has some little opt in list doing 3 joins a day was his info given up also

Manowar · 07-29-2005, 11:43 AM

dayum :/

woj · 07-29-2005, 11:44 AM

sucks to be a mailer promoting those companies...

bigdog · 07-29-2005, 11:44 AM

who is tj web productions?

OldSchoolJim · 07-29-2005, 11:44 AM

Quote:

I pay my company taxes on every dime I earn so I'm not worried

This is a common quote...but my accountant tells me...they can ALWAYS find something.....i do not know many folks who come through an audit totally unscathed.....maybe an auto lease mis-represented....maybe some entertainment over exempted...something is ALWAYS there......the drama of just sitting through an audit is enough to make you sick....

WiredGuy · 07-29-2005, 11:45 AM

I'm not particularly worried. So the FTC has my address now, big deal. I'm not in violation of any 2257's, I don't mail and I'm paying my taxes. The IRS had this information anyways, so if there was any actions the FTC wanted to pursue, it just took a court order to the IRS to release it. They just simplified the process as far as I'm concerned.
WG

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-29-2005, 11:48 AM

WiredGuy · 07-29-2005, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2getit

This is a common quote...but my accountant tells me...they can ALWAYS find something.....i do not know many folks who come through an audit totally unscathed.....maybe an auto lease mis-represented....maybe some entertainment over exempted...something is ALWAYS there......the drama of just sitting through an audit is enough to make you sick....

Yup, I went through a 2 year federal investigation. Clean as could be. Had 2 accounting errors (we admitted to and paid for it), and too many business expenses related to travel. I thought they were all legit but hey, they'll find something to justify their time. It's not something I want to relive anytime soon.
WG

SomeCreep · 07-29-2005, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdog

who is tj web productions?

adultpaymaster

p1mpdogg · 07-29-2005, 11:52 AM

p.s. Mr Bush, please pardon ALL my relatives for doing bad things. they didnt mean it.
thanks again
trey

SomeCreep · 07-29-2005, 11:56 AM

I think the mailers are the only ones who have anything to worry about. Afterall, they are the reason for this whole FTC complaint. So the government has all our info now? Well if you live in the US and pay taxes, the government already has all your info anyways.

After Shock Media · 07-29-2005, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Yup, I went through a 2 year federal investigation. Clean as could be. Had 2 accounting errors (we admitted to and paid for it), and too many business expenses related to travel. I thought they were all legit but hey, they'll find something to justify their time. It's not something I want to relive anytime soon.
WG

Been through an audit myself as well that lasted over a year. Learned real quick that tax law is a lot like California's OSHA saftey laws. If you comply with all of them you are bound to be breaking some of them. Ended up with a few small penalties, a years worth of headaches and some big bills for a tax attorney.

BlackCrayon · 07-29-2005, 12:03 PM

glad i never promoted them, even if i never mailed.

PR_Dave · 07-29-2005, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

MD Media
http://www.pimproll.com (aka ARS)

This alone shows just how much of a giant TOOL you are LOL.
What does aka ARS mean? Do I own ARS too? You are a joke.

You must be a massive mailer to have made this thread in the first place.

eroswebmaster · 07-29-2005, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Dave

This alone shows just how much of a giant TOOL you are LOL.
What does aka ARS mean? Do I own ARS too? You are a joke.

You must be a massive mailer to have made this thread in the first place.

Hmmm...as big as a tool who sells out his affiliates?

PR_Dave · 07-29-2005, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

Hmmm...as big as a tool who sells out his affiliates?

No PR affiliates were sold out.

Can't speak for the other companies though.

eroswebmaster · 07-29-2005, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Dave

No PR affiliates were sold out.

Can't speak for the other companies though.

doesn't look like it by the terms presented on that page.

Theo · 07-29-2005, 12:16 PM

so let me ask you something

FTC will start an investigation on your company,it will request the info of your mailers and you won't pass them? yeah right
If you mailed in the past most likely FTC has already your info from past investigated companies.

PR_Dave · 07-29-2005, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

doesn't look like it by the terms presented on that page.

Except that we eliminated mail from our program 6 months prior and had no active mailers in our program.

Many of the other companies are still accpeting mail.

We do not.

Like I said I can't say what others did.

Machete_ · 07-29-2005, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

keep on believing that.

tell us what it was like to be served by the ftc or the fbi or whoever does what they do to spammers. blanket prosecution, are you familiar with that?

its when they throw out a big net and real everyone in... then they ask questions later.

good luck!

I have been contacted twice, but since we keep our stuff legal and clean - we dont have any problems. but I can see why it would scare a lot of people in the gray zone

07-29-2005, 10:57 AM	#1
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Your Favorite Adult Companies Give Up Info To Gov I was reading over the FTC?s website about this spam crap that recently took place. What I found was mind blowing. This isn?t a bash against the companies that settled but it is fucked up. They agreed to some very fucked up terms. Companies that settled are: (BangBros.com Inc, RK NetMedia Inc, Ox Ideas, Inc) (MD Media) (APC Entertainment Inc)(Pure Marketing Solutions LLC) (Internet Matrix Technology ) You can read it yourself: Go to July 20th. http://www.ftc.gov/os/2005/07/index.htm#20 Read the Stipulated Order ? Sections 4 & 5 Here is just a cut of a few things they must provide: ?A list that identifies every person who is marketing or promoting, through commercial email messages, any goods or services of a Defendant since entry of this Order;? ? U.S. mailers you are fucked, complaint or not. ?Accounting records that reflect revenue generated by sales to individuals through an affiliate program and corresponding disbursements to participants Defendant?s affiliate program on an individual basis, including copies recently deposited check for each such participant paid by check;? ? The rest of us. You should read everything they have to give up. And you should thank the companies that said NO to these agreements: (T.J. Web Productions LLC) (Cyberheat Inc.) (Impulse Media Group) So the GOV can?t get a list of people to bust for 2257 because of the FSC, but now they have a list, a rather large list. -------------------------------------- Some info about spam and MicroShit?s BS company.. Paragaph Cuts From This Article By NWSource "Microsoft provided help with the FTC's investigation upon the agency's request, said Microsoft attorney Aaron Kornblum. It offered evidence and analysis of e-mails received in more than 130,000 free Hotmail accounts set up several years ago as "traps," he said." ?The traps have been in place since 2003? ?The company has also filed more than 100 lawsuits against spammers and 119 against so-called phishers? ?Kornblum said Microsoft's 12 full-time Internet-safety attorneys, investigators and paralegals first collect evidence? __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation Last edited by TheDoc; 07-29-2005 at 10:58 AM..

07-29-2005, 11:00 AM	#3
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07-29-2005, 11:06 AM	#5
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07-29-2005, 11:10 AM	#6
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Just so you know some of the agreements are different. I won't call out names but this is part of some peoples agreements. "A list of all names under which each Defendant did or currently does business since entry of this Order;" __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

07-29-2005, 11:12 AM	#7
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	bangbros and pipecrew fucked their mailers lol classy __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

07-29-2005, 10:59 AM	#2
MickeyG Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 4,134	damn thats some dirty shit.

07-29-2005, 11:02 AM	#4
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Well at least it says they only have to give up information on affiliates who promote via email, not all the affiliates. But yeah, props to the companies who are fighting this.

07-29-2005, 11:14 AM	#8
OldSchoolJim Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,117	Is this the part where ithe IRS gets involved?

07-29-2005, 11:15 AM	#9
High Plains Drifter Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: ♠ ♣ ♥ Posts: 2,341	Could somebody translate those companies into the programs that they run... __________________

07-29-2005, 11:17 AM	#11
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	looks like it applies only to mailers and not affiliates... __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

07-29-2005, 11:18 AM	#12
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	BangBros.com Inc, RK NetMedia Inc, Ox Ideas, Inc http://www.bangbrosonline.com http://www.nastydollars.com http://www.oxcash.com APC Entertainment Inc www.adultplayersclub.com Pure Marketing Solutions LLC http://www.purecash.com MD Media http://www.pimproll.com (aka ARS) Not sure.. Internet Matrix Technology __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation Last edited by TheDoc; 07-29-2005 at 11:21 AM..

07-29-2005, 11:19 AM	#13
Machete_ WINNING! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,579	big deal, I really dont se any problem in that.. so what they have our mail adresses. the only people that have something to fear it the spammers, and they pretty much dont care since most is set up outside the us

07-29-2005, 11:20 AM	#14
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I told you Tax evasion is so much easier then going for a obscenity charge. All those people that want to get paid by epassporte who see it as a way to get around the system. The system will find you ,they always do.

07-29-2005, 11:23 AM	#19
Rinaldo Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 5,086	Wow the link is a long read

07-29-2005, 11:30 AM	#22
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	glad i dont mail anymore, bangbros would have ruined my life RIP bangbros cocksuckers lol die bitches.. p.s. i <3 pipecrew __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

07-29-2005, 11:33 AM	#23
OldSchoolJim Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,117	There will be a TON of irs fallout from this....this is how they will tie everything together....you are talking about a list of ALL affiliates of some pretty big proggies...AND COPIES OF THEIR LAST PAYMENTS! Which may mean cancelled checks which have the individuals bank account #'s on them.....pretty easy to follow that info......bad times for the larger affiliates who promoted these programs......

07-29-2005, 11:34 AM	#24
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	they are not the only one that did that. This started 3 years ago.

07-29-2005, 11:34 AM	#25
Tanker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,287	Wow is all I can say Glad I dont do biz with any of them __________________ Tanker ICQ 3427575 CCBTools Now featured in the CCBill.com APP STORE

07-29-2005, 11:35 AM	#26
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Knowing this is ROUND 1 kinda worries me.. The FTC IS going after more companies, which means more information, more settlements, etc.. I wonder who is next to fight? __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

07-29-2005, 11:36 AM	#27
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	So free email programs are done i take it ?

07-29-2005, 11:39 AM	#29
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	hey tanker, did you receive my email?

07-29-2005, 11:41 AM	#30
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	glad i have paid my taxes the last 5 years lol sucks that i pay so much though.. Dear president bush... will you please give better tax breaks to the rich and fuck the poor more? thanks trey __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

07-29-2005, 11:42 AM	#31
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	Who is considered a mailer though? If you have a guy who has some little opt in list doing 3 joins a day was his info given up also

07-29-2005, 11:43 AM	#32
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	dayum :/

07-29-2005, 11:44 AM	#33
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07-29-2005, 11:45 AM	#36
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	I'm not particularly worried. So the FTC has my address now, big deal. I'm not in violation of any 2257's, I don't mail and I'm paying my taxes. The IRS had this information anyways, so if there was any actions the FTC wanted to pursue, it just took a court order to the IRS to release it. They just simplified the process as far as I'm concerned. WG __________________ I play with Google.

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07-29-2005, 11:52 AM	#40
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07-29-2005, 11:56 AM	#41
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	I think the mailers are the only ones who have anything to worry about. Afterall, they are the reason for this whole FTC complaint. So the government has all our info now? Well if you live in the US and pay taxes, the government already has all your info anyways. __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

07-29-2005, 12:03 PM	#43
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	glad i never promoted them, even if i never mailed. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

07-29-2005, 12:16 PM	#48
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	so let me ask you something FTC will start an investigation on your company,it will request the info of your mailers and you won't pass them? yeah right If you mailed in the past most likely FTC has already your info from past investigated companies.