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aleck 07-30-2005 05:49 AM

10-12 of monthly revenue? hmm, interesting.

Za Ha 07-30-2005 08:23 AM

$5000 sounds good.
Unless it is all bookmarks that generate your $

chadglni 07-30-2005 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass
You guys are nuts. It is 6 months or so. If it is all SEO it is even less. Not trying to beat you up on it but everyone says 12 months until you are actually looking for a buyer.

You are dealing with bottom of the barrel adult sites. Depending on what it is $10,000 to $15,000 is not out of line. If it's a TGP $6000 would be pushing it.

chadglni 07-30-2005 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly
This is the first thread I have ever seen anybody say 10-12 months. Did Internet stability suddenly sky rocket?

Its always been said 3-6 months, or better yet, whatever somebody will pay you. It is really hard to judge though without knowing what kind of site it is. A site that has been online for years is going to be worth more than a new site simply because it has more stability and loyalty.

By you saying the site only takes 20 minutes a day to update lowers the value, IMO. It sounds like a very simple and automated site that could crash very easily. Paying 10-12 months on that would be a HUGE risk.

Sly, 3 to 6 months is the average for the shit that gets flung around here. A TGP with trades someone has been running for 2 months is not worth a lot of money regardless of todays traffic. On the other hand a 50k bookmark TGP with no trades someone else was selling had top dollar offers from big players here. 10 to 15 months of income is nothing, even for online. Things are sold for this every day and there are people that would buy all they could find. I'm looking in fact but I wouldn't pay shit for TGP's, freesites, and many other things you often see for sale from this industry.

AVM 07-30-2005 10:18 AM

The irony, as typically with generic type-in domains you're paying 3-20+ yrs revenue.

The volatility in the adult world must be a bitch.
I may pay more, but I sleep better. :)

polish_aristocrat 07-30-2005 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AVM
The irony, as typically with generic type-in domains you're paying 3-20+ yrs revenue.

The volatility in the adult world must be a bitch.
I may pay more, but I sleep better. :)

who pays 20 years revenue for adult type in domains?

20 years is more than real estate lol :upsidedow

chadglni 07-30-2005 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat
who pays 20 years revenue for adult type in domains?

20 years is more than real estate lol :upsidedow

Now you know darn well some type ins that are sold go for well over 20 years of income. A type in domain is by nature easily brandable and they've been gaining value for years. If a typical directory type ppc page is on it now that doesn't mean it's not worth much more than what that crap generates.

slapass 07-30-2005 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni
You are dealing with bottom of the barrel adult sites. Depending on what it is $10,000 to $15,000 is not out of line. If it's a TGP $6000 would be pushing it.

A solid TGP would be higher. SE traffic can go away fast. But whatever the traffic source it can go in the toilet fast. Look at the offers on paysites. They get a premium do to content but the monthly revenue is not at 12 months. It is too variable. Not sure what you have bought but try and get someone to part with $12k for internet ether sometime.

And just a heads up but you disagreed with pretty much the only guys buying stuff now.

slapass 07-30-2005 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni
Now you know darn well some type ins that are sold go for well over 20 years of income. A type in domain is by nature easily brandable and they've been gaining value for years. If a typical directory type ppc page is on it now that doesn't mean it's not worth much more than what that crap generates.

I would agree they sell for 20 years income sometimes. But...
Name a few generic type-ins that got branded? Men.com is not looking so hot these days.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...q=&url=men.com

Biggy2 07-30-2005 11:04 AM

~5k is what someone would pay for it - at least thats what I would pay for it.

A website is not a 100% guarantee of fixed income for $1k/month for the buyer, even though you make it. There is risk involved.

woj 07-30-2005 11:30 AM

50 sites for sale!

AVM 07-30-2005 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat
who pays 20 years revenue for adult type in domains?

20 years is more than real estate lol

Adult...Who said anything about adult? Did my statement regarding volatility breeze past you? If so, allow me to elaborate. My statement regarding the adult world being a bitch/volatility (ups & downs) - inferred, that although I pay more my investments (domains), I enjoy the comforts of the mainstream world. Unlike what I would experience, in the adult world. The stability between the two varies greatly. So why oh why, would you chalk up my statement as so pro-Adult I would purchase one for 20x yrs revenue?


Then again, I suppose I can quit the domain biz (since I'm overpaying/bound to go broke), and I could follow in your footsteps, and just critisize the business models of those in a position to buy both (real estate and domains). Those in a position who speak from experience/success, not just from what Internet-reasonining dictates to you. I can only dream though? To become a Jack of all trades, master of none, like you.

Not trying to be as harsh as this sounds. I just know polish has never owned a pure generic domain, and don't appreciate him chiming in on me, and putting a cutesy reply. As most generics aren't sold based on revenue, but rather their intrinistic value. Even if they were sold on the basis of revenue, most generic one word domains that are not consumer-related products, make several dollars daily. As such, 20 yrs x's monthly revenue is not as much as one would perceive. Mainstream domains do not make $35 pps. We make our money per click. Now this, in addition to increasing cpc rates/increased competition amongst ppc programs (percentage increases), etc, that 20 years can become 10 yrs or even 2 yrs with the right sponsor.

AdultMegaCash 07-30-2005 03:52 PM

There are other factors here that I have yet to see someone ask. How good is the domain? Is the content exclusive or purchased from a store? Is there content ready for updates? How hard is the content to find? What are the traffic sources for it, are you pumping your own traffic to it, and once it's sold the traffic will drop, or is it from somewhere else, or generated by the site itself? What type of promo material is there for it? What processor is the site under right now? Is the site generating new sales, or is it all rebills? There are more, but I think these are a good start.

I would say unless it's a really kick ass site you are looking at 3 maybe 6 months revenue, you need to be able to turn a profit in at most 6 months or you are wasting time.

crockett 07-30-2005 04:43 PM

Everyone is just basing their price off the amount you said it makes.. However what needs to be asked is how much profit does it make? It could be a TGP that burns 300 to $400 a month in B/W.. Then the other issue is how much time do you have to work on it per month?

strobi 07-30-2005 04:47 PM

People would give you around 5K$ or so, but I wouldn't sell it for less than 20k$. Hell if I ever would sell.

vvq 07-30-2005 04:50 PM

atleast 12k.

Forkbeard 07-30-2005 10:22 PM

I understand why buyers are skeptical of large multiples, but the fact that anybody's willing to sell for such tiny ones just blows me away. I guess that's why I won't be selling my blogs any time soon. They've got years of track record showing traffic and revenue growth every month, and the income from my best one compares favorably to *good* jobs I've held in my life. This is not volatile -- shit could happen, but no way are these blogs going to stop making me money if I pay attention and stay flexible.

So you can imagine my suprise when I had some pirate offer me very low five figures for one of my blogs not long ago. WTF? Why would I swap a solid no-end-in-sight income for a paltry few month's revenue? What kind of moron would take that deal?

I can't imagine selling any of my sites for less than 3-5 *years* of revenue. I know buyers won't go there because they don't trust the stability of the revenue, but I don't have that problem -- I know it's stable. Somebody who would sell their site for six month's revenue has *got* to know the site is about to go KABOOM, else why sell?

leg4 07-30-2005 10:56 PM

Typical business rules of revenue generated by a business do not apply in a typical way to web sites.

Because that income can be lost so quick

buddyjuf 07-30-2005 10:58 PM

mainsteam site -> 12 months revenue
porn site today -> 6 months revenue

I won't pay any more for it! :Graucho

slapass 07-31-2005 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard
I understand why buyers are skeptical of large multiples, but the fact that anybody's willing to sell for such tiny ones just blows me away. I guess that's why I won't be selling my blogs any time soon. They've got years of track record showing traffic and revenue growth every month, and the income from my best one compares favorably to *good* jobs I've held in my life. This is not volatile -- shit could happen, but no way are these blogs going to stop making me money if I pay attention and stay flexible.

So you can imagine my suprise when I had some pirate offer me very low five figures for one of my blogs not long ago. WTF? Why would I swap a solid no-end-in-sight income for a paltry few month's revenue? What kind of moron would take that deal?

I can't imagine selling any of my sites for less than 3-5 *years* of revenue. I know buyers won't go there because they don't trust the stability of the revenue, but I don't have that problem -- I know it's stable. Somebody who would sell their site for six month's revenue has *got* to know the site is about to go KABOOM, else why sell?

The person could need the money. Wants to retire, divorce, illness, death. Tons of reasons to sell. So once the motivation is in place, we are determining market price.

I do not have anything I would sell for one year's income right now but that does not make a market as my stuff is not up for sale.

Satisfaction 07-31-2005 12:36 AM

lol at the 20 months call

polish_aristocrat 07-31-2005 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AVM
Adult...Who said anything about adult?

we are on an adult webmaster board.

Quote:

Then again, I suppose I can quit the domain biz (since I'm overpaying/bound to go broke), and I could follow in your footsteps, and just critisize the business models of those in a position to buy both (real estate and domains).

Those in a position who speak from experience/success, not just from what Internet-reasonining dictates to you. I can only dream though? To become a Jack of all trades, master of none, like you.
well what makes you think that I don't own any good adult domains? From my posting here it should be obvious that I do have some.


Quote:

I just know polish has never owned a pure generic domain.
actually you're right, I am buying the first mainstream domain this month. And yes, only for $15k, I know you make that in your sleep each day :(

I will print out the pic you posted on GFY few months ago and hang it over my bed. :thumbsup


And seriously, why all the hate? We are on an adult business forum, if you don't like people who concentrate mostly on adult, then don't post here and stick to DN Forum or whatever....

fris 07-31-2005 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat
we are on an adult webmaster board.


yes but not everyone here runs just adult sites :)

mainstream and adult.

i have a feeling its mainstream.

Clicky_Bucks 07-31-2005 02:35 AM

Anyone who says more than 6 months are lieing to you or would like to think their domains are worth as much.

MrLeone 07-31-2005 02:53 AM

Everyone can say anything!
The price you get is what the buyer pays..

10-12-2 years... Its just figures...
YOU GET WHAT THE BUYER PAYS... And that can depend...

BAKO 07-31-2005 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapass
You guys are nuts. It is 6 months or so. If it is all SEO it is even less. Not trying to beat you up on it but everyone says 12 months until you are actually looking for a buyer.

i agree with you

Dalai lama 07-31-2005 04:44 AM

+- $5k and you should be happy.

gxer 07-31-2005 04:50 AM

someone who says it's worth 12 or 20 months of income - please, post here ANY example of such a site which requires 20 mins of daily attention , generates 1K and
may stay forever just because it's "so great site".
There is a reason why this site generates 1K USD per month and without this reason it will not make you penny. Instead of just believe in those "20 min of daily work" you as a normal buyer should ask him " why don't you work on the site 40 min"? may be it will bring you 2K ??
Bullshit about 20 min and bullshit about 1K.
Mainstream sites is a totally different case of course.

AVM 07-31-2005 03:38 PM

:thumbsup
Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat
And seriously, why all the hate?

I have no hate for adult. I have a hate for posuers.

If the topic is how to "run a paysite", I won't slam Lensman. Why? Because, he's done better than I have, in the paysite arena. Okay, well, the same precedent applies for domains. Now, I'm no big dog. I do very very well, but I'm not even a fraction of the size of the big dogs. Nevertheless, regardless of this fact, I know domains. My track record/sales would put 95%+ of the industry to shame. Simple. This is my knack, and for you to give a condescending post questioning how much I pay - is absurd. That's my opinion, but then again, at times I'm a cry baby.

In any case, congrats on your first $15k buy......
lol, this may be a little too late now, but if you ever decide to sell it- uh hem :winkwink: :1orglaugh

Paparazzi 07-31-2005 03:42 PM

6 months

AVM 07-31-2005 03:49 PM

Polish, I was going to reply to this topic - but figured you were better suited, considering the title of the topic.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=497645

:(

4Pics 07-31-2005 03:50 PM

who cares, the guy doesn't even want to sell it nor tell anyone what site it is. So for me it's worth $8.88 the cost of the domain name.

baddog 07-31-2005 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapass
You guys are nuts. It is 6 months or so. If it is all SEO it is even less. Not trying to beat you up on it but everyone says 12 months until you are actually looking for a buyer.


Have to disagree with you. No one is going to sell a site for 6 months of revenue. What would be the point?

Nicky 07-31-2005 03:53 PM

id say you would probably get ~$5k for it if its a adult domain say a tgp etc.....

baddog 07-31-2005 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly
Its always been said 3-6 months, or better yet, whatever somebody will pay you.


Same response I gave slapass. 12-18 on an established site depending on what it is. 3 months would be insane.

Sly 07-31-2005 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog
Same response I gave slapass. 12-18 on an established site depending on what it is. 3 months would be insane.

Apparently you only read part of my response.

polish_aristocrat 08-01-2005 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVM

In any case, congrats on your first $15k buy......

learn how to read and then tell me where I said it's my first $15k buy


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