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bp.... I've no doubt in my mind that you've got some keen fucking business saavy twisting around up in your skull.... and I'm hopping in my own underwear to actually speak with you on a serious note someday about how we can turn the whole freaking industry on it's ass and walk away with the profits....

.... but that day has still, not yet arrived.

but i can assure you it will.
Ive been watching you, and have been doing my research.

Awesome post Amp.

Truly a great read.

Wow,
I really needed to see a thread of this calibur on this board...that was cool...I think someone needs to change the topic to..."Zen and the Art of AdultWebmastering" or some shit...that was a frigging peach!


:thumbsup Thanks fer the insites all..."You have been assimilated".:thumbsup

As a wise man once told me.

"Dare to be different! Never follow the crowd!"

and you'll do good in this biz. I started 4 years ago on free host with 5 bucks to spend and I'm still fucking here..:321GFY

amazing.... Maybe we really should sell these speaches in "workshop" form.

Seems a lot of webmasters are just as you said.

Wow, Im so proud of you all. Now that you are all done writing your little essay's, who actually makes any money around here?

Hard work, and business ethics is all good and shit, but if you want to make real money, working smart is more important than working hard.

My warez sites make more money in a day than what you people see in a month. Why? Because I pimp the shit. I fuck over my trades, and rape the surfers.

You cant discredit the cheaters and swindlers in business. It goes for regular industry as well as adult. Business is based on lies and deceit. Every one of you would fuck over the next guy for buck and you know it! Economic Darwinism is alive and well.

Shhh....Just be sure to sell your stock before it plunges, how's your 401k now???

Peace out Yo!

Son of Rage, you are hilarious! Awesome spoof, dude! You'd make a great poster at www.fuckedcompany.com -- awesome satire, trolls, parodies. I especially dig your boneprone4life pic using the wanna be Eminem kid's pic. CLASSIC!

Your Perspective = Your Reality...I guess.

You really need more rage? okay...

I do.

Agreed.

You lie. Warez makes shit. Your traffic is poeple dedicated to getting shit for free. Pure & simple. Most warez sites puke 30 uncloseable full screen popups in your face for porn sites, which is Bad Marketing 101 personified. I WANT SOFTWARE!!!! NOT PORN!!!

You're on crack.... gotta be.

What the FUCK do YOU know about stocks????!

YEAH!:BangBang:

now now.. Lets not upset Rage before our little mission to Congo.

Warez site operators are truly the dumbest of dumb... they have no idea how to market their shit, so they throw a shitload of porn sites at a guy trying to crack a fucking bootleg copy of PSP7 in the hopes that he'll just forget about the fact that he needs software and sign up for a paysite and jerk his troubles away.

D.U.M.B.

Ok...I guess you're right...Plus I figure I shouldn't begin defiling this thread with mindless drivel since it began as a shining example of what all threads should strive to be.



And oh by the way...BoneProne...I heard that if I blew you I could get my nick changed...

I got the defiling under control.... :smokin

The research will be updated shortly.... and will most certainly prompt the drool glandules into producing at peak levels....

I guarantee it. :smokin

Way to be brotha...

Shit after this thread I'm thinking of changing my nick to "ScoopOut your brain" er sumthin!

Regardless,
Beautiful posts...I enjoyed a quick bit of debate and discussion.

Now its bed time for bonzo...

Bed? :eek7

There is no bed.... bed is for pussies and sex.

Get your ass back to work.

Dude what do think I'm doing in Bed...its called "NETWORKING" Duh!??:Graucho

BTW Amped...where in Silicon Valley are you? I used to live in Aptos, Santa Cruz, Fremont...all over...and also who designed studio adult? Mike Wylde? *snicker* Sorry dood couldn't help myself...:Graucho

"You lie. Warez makes shit. Your traffic is poeple dedicated to getting shit for free. Pure & simple. Most warez sites puke 30 uncloseable full screen popups in your face for porn sites, which is Bad Marketing 101 personified. I WANT SOFTWARE!!!! NOT PORN!!!"



WTF? Of course my traffic is people dedicated to getting stuff for free. Who on this earth doesnt want things free? FREE is what builds the traffic. Every retail establishment on the face of this earth offers SALES!!! or Buy on get one FREE!!! These are briliant marketing tatics used to draw the customer in.

Ever heard of "Suggestive Selling" I think you must have slept in that day during your Marketing 101 class.

Those who want software DO WANT PORN!!! Like any other industry, this tatic works, feeding on their impulsivness. Mix this with the desire of porn...
you've got a sale.

YEAH!:BangBang:












OMG...I can go to bed now...

Son Of Rage,

So basically, what you are saying is that the warez biz model is somewhat similar to the TGP model. Entice the user in with the lure of free material [in your model's case, cracked software] and then cross sell them on material that has compelling value that appeals to a very common denominator--porn. TGP model is more on point but uses the same approach--entice with free porn, user gets excited about a particular gallery, clicks on sponsor link.

If what you say is true then what's preventing webmasters from building sites that focus on high traffic non-adult content categories [e.g. health, finance, politics] and using adult banners and galleries? I've seen a couple of these [the finance version] but if the approach you're saying really converts well, why don't we see these "cross over" sites [OUTSIDE OF THE WAREZ CATEGORY] on a large scale?

Just wondering.

Uhmm.....the law mainly

Hoax,

Maybe if a webmaster were to lift content directly from TheEconomist or Salon then there would be legal issues. I was talking more about independently generated non porn content--ie., editorials, non sex stories, etc.

Truly.... where I'm at is really none of your fucking business.
been there...
been there...
live there now.
been there...
I know.... most morons can't help themselves.

If you had even a shred of neural activity, you would realize that yes, both those sites do share two things in common: They're both horizontal, and they're both designer sites.

Aside from that.... they couldn't be more different.

Look at the code. I have nothing to hide. The underlying code is completely different.... which means, for some of you slower *special* people... they are NOT driven the same way.... that in itself makes them different. But I understand that isn't enough for you. So let's look at the graphics.... is there ONE thing similar?

I think NOT. And don't argue with me... I know what I can do.

So.... now you're going to say, "but it still looks like Mike W"...

well get fucking over it.

I could very easily say the same fucking thing about every vertically designed site on the Net. "It's vertical! It's the same!"

Fuck off. I'm sick & fucking tired of hearing this shit. I've done at least a dozen other horizontal sites just like that in the past, and I expect I will continue to create horizontal sites when the fucking urge strikes me. If someone has a patent on that, please step forward or shut the fuck up.

I'm going to finish that case of beer I started now.... but I will be back with yet more actual REALITY in just a moment.

my life has been all about following my desires and trying to push myself in any vocation that i feel warrants my attention at any given time

ambition, creativity, business sense, skills and the desire to succeed is all that is necessary to excel at any job

i wanted to become a magician when i was 15 and by the time i was 18 i was getting work all the time and performing before audiences of 3000 people

i wanted to write and perform music when i was 12 and by the time i was in my 20's i had my material on the radio and 100's of songs written that i will eventually either sell or cut myself

i wanted to make a career in contemporay art when i was 24 and after 5 years of school and numerous awards and scholarships, i was noted as one of the hottest environmental artists

i wanted to know more about how contemporary art galleries ran ( so i wouldn't get ripped off by art dealers ) and by the age of 33 i was assistant director at one of the top galleries in Canada

i wanted to learn more about smart card technology and by the time i turned 34 - what should have been my early retirement, made me lose everything (but this was one of the few times when i was not in control of the situation)

i wanted to make use of the computers and equipment that i got in the settlement from the above company to make money and teach myself all about the adult industry and how to survive in this business

almost 6 years later and i'm still here, making more money than i ever have before in my life, working for myself and although often complaining about a bad day or week, not really wanting to change a thing about my business

thanks for the great topic Amp - it makes me happy to be working with you in this biz
:thumbsup

Great post Amp! I hate that I missed the heart of it but I was too busy WORKING!

pornwolf stop working and update your tgp signature!
netbilling came on board,add them please :)

Good thread but Amp, why did you write it?

You told about your Mom's letter and that is a good example of the fact that people dont really GET that kind of advice. Everyone has to "find" the truth of life himself. Any decent psychologist can tell you how to live a balanced life during the first meeting, but still you have to visit that fucker for years before you discover the balance yourself.

Good post anyways, but just a thought about SACRIFICE.
I dont quite agree here. I think you can make a decent living within any business by working 7 hours a day and you dont need to sacrifice the important things of your other life like sex and friends and consuming beer. And if decent is not enough, you can just hire people to do your stuff

Theres no point in doing any business if thats ALL you do in life.

HAHAHA

That is sooooo true. I laugh when I see tranny banners on an anime gallery, nevermind 20 porn consoles on a site that's entirely about getting people who are looking for free software and are too lazy/cheap/dumb to actually buy it.

That's quite the high quality market they're targetting. *snicker*

:thumbsup to the Warez guys. Way to go.

You're right Amputate most of the poeple here are probably kids trying to make more money than with their saterday job.
They just try everything and ask all kinds of useless stuff it reminds me of my first year. I was just fuckin around and makin a few 100 bucks a month :)LOL. After a few years you know how it works but 99% of the webmasters that started stops after a year because they can't make enough. So their are only a few diehards that are in this shit for years and years to go. (sorry for the fucked up English)

True. Only a few- Many have moved on to other business after they made enough money with porn

cuz I felt like it.

Wrong. Psychologists are for the insecure. I could fix you in a week.

Then you probably don't want it bad enough. For me, "getting by"... or "making do"... or "it's good enough"... simply IS NOT good enough.

I don't want a SLICE of the pie....

I want THE WHOLE FUCKING PIE.

And I WILL get it. Because I'm 400% dedicated to GETTING it.

Fuck mediocre. You wanna "get by" and work for someone else and make your 40 hours a week so you can go out and dance the fucking fandango on Friday night? Fine.... But extreme success requires extreme strategy. (a lesson which should be discussed further elsewhere)

Another cent tossed into the pot.

Wow...
It can't be. GFY doesn't have any significant posts, what's this? A trick?

Anyways I agree on Amp's first post, I have been doing this for years and for the first 3-4 years I was slacking, did some free sites, didn't understand anything.. gave away too much, too cheap etc. I believe most webmasters start out that way, which is not good. There's too many new webmasters every day hoping to get lucky. For the people who really invest in this and dedicate their lives to porn this is a setback.

Lets look at it this way, you plan to open a burger restaurant. Ok, you get good quality meals, make contracts with suppliers and spend a fortune on marketing. You know your shit, success should be around the corner. NO! Around a corner is 200 small joints selling burgers cheaper with stolen meat inside. hehe..
I must be drunk but you see my point?

...and :
I live in this state. It's sad.

actually you're far way wrong. Most of these kids earn pennies, but I do know some guys that are in both industries and their porn sponsors through warez bring 6 digits of $ per year easily. Three of them post once in a while here. Traffic is everything and people seen less porn than the rest will convert better. It's not necessary at all to look for porn to purchase a membership. Popup a porn sponsor in a mainstream big traffic site and see more memberships than your lifetime hun listings.

Yes Amp I can see what you're fantasizing about.

But since we cant have it all we better have a goal somehere along the line.

Those who have 1billion usd and lose 900 million will commit a suicide but those who have 10k and lose 9k will not.

And I dont think a guy is very talented if he has to everything himself. A talented person should be able to find and hire people who can do some or most of his work

If Bill gates never hired anyone, I wonder if we had Windows now.

Hi Soul,

I would like to but I don't know enough about them from other webmasters mouths and theirs if possible. I will bring that thread back around 4:30 tomorrow while the processors are still in the office to respond to concerns & webmasters are waking up!. :winkwink: There were a couple of others I didn't find out enough about that are new anyway!

By the way Amp, did you just finish a Nietzche book? :)

Being insecure is not an illness or a mental disorder and probably does not need a fix.

cool pornwolf ;)


and dont tell me about targeted traffic on porn sites because if you go to google and type "i dont want your fucking free sites and i want to pay for a membership!!!!" you'll end up on a tgp or in the best case in a free site. You see a hentai sponsor on a warez/crack site and you find it silly, but have you ever thought why it's a hentai and not something else? Even this is targeted traffic and way better than the one most of you have in their sites.

Why can't you have it all? That attitude will get you straight into a nine to five job pushing paper for someone who CAN have it all.

I don't understand this.... but it sounds good.

Sure... in fact, it's a smart thing to do during growth stages of business... but FINDING someone with the skills reequired is not always an easy task. I've been looking for a new designer to come in a TAKE 50% of my profits by simply doing design work.. but I have YET to find someone capable of producing under my exacting standards.... Who is worthy? The guy or gal that can fucking produce. Period. Hiring is not always as easy as it sounds.

Bill Gates is a thief. He ripped off Steve Jobs and he ripped off Xerox and he ripped off IBM.... he did a damn fine job of it.... cuz he's rich enough to buy his way out of damn near anything now.... but he's still a theif.

Amp,

When you get big you hire people to hire people LOL

Okay.... fair enough... I guess I'm not that big yet. BUT....

I DO know what I require. And someone hired to hire people may not have the eye I require to examine demos and find faults or details that are either fixable or inherently fucked and unfixable....

I want to see that. I will always want to see that. Because if someone is going to put something out with MY name on it.... it will be at a kick ass level right to the fucking pixel. No exceptions.

Thus... hiring will always be a bitch for me.

No-one can get it all and the more you only trust yourself the less you have in your bank account when you retire. I-can-only-do-it-myself-guys will stay small potatoes.

God has it all . Man has a dream of getting it all. That's why man created God.

Fuck god. God didn't have Macromedia.

Most people make the mistake of lumping me into the *norm*....

I couldn't be farther from normal.

Most people... even the educated... assume I do what I do for the money. But I don't. People like XA graphics may crank out 2 sites a day for the low low price of whatever... while I may spend 3 or 4 days just thinking of a layout.... then I take it to the calculator and break it down into exact pixels.... mass-production is not an option with me.... I don't care what it pays.

I do this shit to make a point.

The point being.... 2-fold.

1st... you get what you pay for in this world. End of story. Don't fucking argue, cuz you know it's true.

2nd... For those of you at the other extreme... yes, you do indeed get what you pay for, but OVER paying is just as bad.

I do twice the quality at less than half the price of certain unnamed Pros... and it's based on the fact that I want the shit with my name on it, to make a lasting impression.... not because I have $350 listed in a web page somewhere. Fuck time. Time means shit if all you produce is SHIT.

Okay... this is startin' to get real spammy.... and that is not where I intended this to go.....

Yes, I do have the "I only trust myself" syndrome... in a bad way... but I can't honestly see ever getting over hiring on help to the expense of what I deem as quality. It's just not gonna happen. Ever.

Hey man, fix it in a week!

"Fix It In A Week" was meant for those lacking business and / or philosophy skills. Not deep internal hangups like mine. I can't be fixed.

And that's where heavy doses of Bacardi come into play....

As far as design is concerned, I'd rather see a creative individual spending a lot of time and creativity for my site than a mass-producing factory.