12 Clicks was right. Again. Our enemy is not Republicans but ...

[ADL Colin]

12 Clicks was right. Again. Our enemy is not Republicans but .... just everyday normal people. (See bold)

WASHINGTON ? The online adult industry faces another regulatory assault tomorrow when Sen. Blanche Lincoln rolls out a proposed federal legislation that would impose a 25 percent excise tax for all adult transactions.
The Democratic-led bill also would establish a child protection trust fund financed by the excise tax and place new requirements for age verification on websites and billing companies.

A press conference is scheduled for 11 a.m. (EST) Wednesday to introduce the proposed Internet Safety and Child Protection Act, which coincides with the release of a new report on the online adult business by Third Way, a think tank and advocacy group.

Lincoln, in a release obtained by XBiz, said her legislation would help relieve the anxieties experienced by families due to the lack of controls they have over what their children view online.

She also said that it is time the costs of protecting children online shift from the American taxpayer to the actual purveyors of online porn.

Lincoln plans to make the Wednesday announcement with supporting Sens. Tom Carper, D-Del.; Mark Pryor, D-Ark; Mary Landrieu, D-La.; Joe Lieberman, D-Conn.; Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich.; and Ken Salazar, D-Colo.; as well as Rep. Jim Matheson, D-Utah and Rep. Robert Menendez, D-N.J.

[Manowar]

Originally Posted by Almighty Colin

Lincoln, in a release obtained by XBiz, said her legislation would help relieve the anxieties experienced by families due to the lack of controls they have over what their children view online.

Yep, do the parent's job for them. Great idea



How much crack do these people smoke when coming up with these ideas ?

[Linkster]

I know its not gonna happen but I wish they would actually get one of these bills out of committee - last few times theyve been killed there but wouldnt it be great for the US congress to legitimize porn as an industry The part about the warning pages has already been shot down by the Supreme Court (called CDA) earlier this year - but that tax would be fantastic

[xenigo]

Sorry but 12clicks is no saint. He's one of the biggest morons I've ever seen online.

[Dravyk]

12 Clicks was right. Again. Our enemy is not Republicans but .... just everyday normal people

How soon we forgot about Ashshits and Gonzales!!!

Let's face it. EVERYONE is our enemy .... publicly.

And the one's who yell the loudest against porn are the one's that spend the most on it. It is not one person that makes this a 20 billion dollar industry.

[junction]

Originally Posted by Linkster

I know its not gonna happen but I wish they would actually get one of these bills out of committee - last few times theyve been killed there but wouldnt it be great for the US congress to legitimize porn as an industry The part about the warning pages has already been shot down by the Supreme Court (called CDA) earlier this year - but that tax would be fantastic

Pay attention everyone!

Someone here see's the bigger picture.

[Funky Bastard]

A porn tax is what we need we get this and we are mainstream!

[FunForOne]

Democrats proposing taxes - Nothing new here. The singled out the adult industry on this one because they would have no public opposition, they really want to put this tax on all industry.


Dont worry guys, The conservatives will save you from more taxation. Always have, always will.

Thats the good thing about liberals loosing power in all three branches of the government, you dont have to worry about crazy taxes killing your business in the name of social programs.

[Linkster]

More importantly - to use Third Way reports as your basis is the best way to get laughed out of Congress - they are an advocacy group that is trying to battle conservatives by molding a new group called "progressives" - a bunch of former "liberals" that are trying to take the south back for the Democratic Party.

And finally the Congress is already working on a bill that adds two more years to the prohibition of taxes on the internet 47 U.S.C. 151 - the bill is H. R. 1685

Just to clear up some misconceptions - bills get introduced every day that dont even make it to a committee let alone to a full vote of the house or representatives - you really ought to look at the bill they introduced earlier this year - it abolishes the IRS and gets rid of the income tax system completely and replaces it with a flat tax - and its still around - H.R. 25 and the Senates version S. 25
Now there's something I would vote for

All of this grandstanding by congressmen (and I guess women in this case) is usually just to grab attention to their cause - which in this case happens to be "furthuring the attention to the progressives stand in preparation for the 2008 election.

[fuzebox]

People don't seem to realize that Democrat doesn't automatically equal "porn supporting"...

[Mr. Pat]

can we get rid of the conservative and liberal thinking and just be regular porn-loving people!! lol

[WhoGivesaShit]

that was last week!
try to keep up!
will you?

[12clicks]

Colin, are you just using my name for page views?

xenigo, just because I talk about subjects that are over your head, doesn't mean I'm a moron.

[FunForOne]

Originally Posted by Linkster

More importantly - to use Third Way reports as your basis is the best way to get laughed out of Congress - they are an advocacy group that is trying to battle conservatives by molding a new group called "progressives" - a bunch of former "liberals" that are trying to take the south back for the Democratic Party.

And finally the Congress is already working on a bill that adds two more years to the prohibition of taxes on the internet 47 U.S.C. 151 - the bill is H. R. 1685

Just to clear up some misconceptions - bills get introduced every day that dont even make it to a committee let alone to a full vote of the house or representatives - you really ought to look at the bill they introduced earlier this year - it abolishes the IRS and gets rid of the income tax system completely and replaces it with a flat tax - and its still around - H.R. 25 and the Senates version S. 25
Now there's something I would vote for

All of this grandstanding by congressmen (and I guess women in this case) is usually just to grab attention to their cause - which in this case happens to be "furthuring the attention to the progressives stand in preparation for the 2008 election.

Thats a pretty good post. A few years ago liberals realized that "liberal" was a bad word with the American public and decided they needed a makeover. They changed their name to "progressive" and started calling themselves "moderates".

As far as the south is concerned, they may be to late. The south has always been traditionally democrat because the people didn't care to get educated. They voted democrat because their fathers and their fathers voted democrat. Many self proclaimed southern democrats realized that they actually had conservative values.

The last two elections were highly publicized and forced southerners to learn about the issues. Gore and Kerry were the worst case scenerio for the democratic party to relate to the south. Gore didn't even win his own southern state.

[Fletch XXX]

everyone is enemy.

these people burned my ancestors alive, i will not forget that and it keep it forer in my mind because if it was 100 years ago theyd burn me alive and theyd still have slavery.

fuck them all.

this is a war.

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Colin, are you just using my name for page views?

Seems to work :-)

[ADL Colin]

I already pay taxes. You think an ADDITIONAL tax on porn will stop those who want to make porn illegal? You think the likes of Ashcroft and Gonzales will stop because of a 25% tax? No way.

I don't think this is so much about taxes. Taxing something is a great way to reduce it. Yet another attack on the industry under the guise of protecting children. What Senator or Congressman can vote against such things? It's very difficult.

Fortunately, the system is greater than the sum of its parts. The Supreme Court has done a good job of knocking down such laws as CDA when the time came.

[llporter]

Originally Posted by Funky Bastard

A porn tax is what we need we get this and we are mainstream!

Sorry Funky but I do not agree with you logic here. Even though 'porn' is a major part of the economy it will never be seen as a 'legit' endevour.

Remember we were founded by puritans

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

everyone is enemy.

these people burned my ancestors alive, i will not forget that and it keep it forer in my mind because if it was 100 years ago theyd burn me alive and theyd still have slavery.

fuck them all.

this is a war.

um, idiot, "these people" did not burn your ancestors alive. However, if they did, and your ancestors were like you, I'd probably give them a pass on it.

[Fletch XXX]

someone who cant even use the quote function has no right calling someone else an idiot.

learn html before you address me 12clicks.

[Fletch XXX]

at least you edited it.

[Snake Doctor]

What really pisses me off is that I voted for one of the people on that list of Senators sponsoring the bill

I doubt this will ever make it into the books though.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

someone who cant even use the quote function has no right calling someone else an idiot.

learn html before you address me 12clicks.

hahaha, cling to a glitch in the system, loser. its all you've got.

[Fletch XXX]

a glitch?



learn how to click "quote" - there is no glitch, just the same excuse youve used forever in regards to your scam business.

oh wait, youre selling that off...

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Almighty Colin

I already pay taxes. You think an ADDITIONAL tax on porn will stop those who want to make porn illegal? You think the likes of Ashcroft and Gonzales will stop because of a 25% tax? No way.

I don't think this is so much about taxes. Taxing something is a great way to reduce it. Yet another attack on the industry under the guise of protecting children. What Senator or Congressman can vote against such things? It's very difficult.

Fortunately, the system is greater than the sum of its parts. The Supreme Court has done a good job of knocking down such laws as CDA when the time came.

Yes the tax would be legal and hold up in the courts if it is passed, but the age verification portion is something the courts have struck down again and again, so if this were to be signed into law we would have injunctive relief from the courts very quickly.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Let's face it. EVERYONE is our enemy .... publicly.

And the one's who yell the loudest against porn are the one's that spend the most on it. It is not one person that makes this a 20 billion dollar industry.

^^ exactly a big part of our costumors are mostly the hypocrite fucks; they keep the biz running but say they dont want it. Ironic.....

[mardigras]

Originally Posted by FunForOne

A few years ago liberals realized that "liberal" was a bad word with the American public and decided they needed a makeover. They changed their name to "progressive" and started calling themselves "moderates".

Moderates are not the same as liberals. If I had to place a current political label on myself it would fall more toward moderate. I do not agree with many things in the "liberal agenda" but I am certainly miles further from conservative.

Originally Posted by FunForOne

As far as the south is concerned, they may be to late. The south has always been traditionally democrat because the people didn't care to get educated. They voted democrat because their fathers and their fathers voted democrat. Many self proclaimed southern democrats realized that they actually had conservative values.

Bullshit. The south voted Democrat because the Republicans were the party of big business. Once Republicans "found Jesus" and started showing up at NASCAR races they became "good people".

Originally Posted by FunForOne

The last two elections were highly publicized and forced southerners to learn about the issues. Gore and Kerry were the worst case scenerio for the democratic party to relate to the south. Gore didn't even win his own southern state.

Southerners base their votes on important things, like getting rid of a Democrat governer for a Republican one because the Democrat supports letting the people vote whether to change the contested Confederate flag as the state flag.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

a glitch?



learn how to click "quote" - there is no glitch, just the same excuse youve used forever in regards to your scam business.

oh wait, youre selling that off...

oh no! a scam business! selling it off?


I know its hard for you bedroom warriors to comprehend but I've got more businesses then you've got bastard children. I create some, I buy some, I sell some, I even close some. Its all part of business.

[mardigras]

Originally Posted by Almighty Colin

I don't think this is so much about taxes. Taxing something is a great way to reduce it.

Yeah, amazing how many people stopped smoking and drinking just because of the taxes

[Cassie]

Originally Posted by Almighty Colin

The Democratic-led bill also would establish a child protection trust fund

it will be interesting where this money "doesn't" end up.

[BradM]

12 clicks is the same thing rehashed over and over.
He calls you names, throws in keyboard warriors, and a 1orgsmile and thinks he is really clever.

With 12clicks =

[Linkster]

Good thing about it is that they named it an excise tax in the bill - that means the consumer has to pay it - similar to the tax added to the sale of gasoline.

Also noted that the CEO of Vivid was on MSNBC coutering the whole thing this morning - and they actually allowed him to say what was important - that we already do check the ages by requiring the use of CCs to enter a site

[Cassie]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Good thing about it is that they named it an excise tax in the bill - that means the consumer has to pay it - similar to the tax added to the sale of gasoline.

Also noted that the CEO of Vivid was on MSNBC coutering the whole thing this morning - and they actually allowed him to say what was important - that we already do check the ages by requiring the use of CCs to enter a site

credit card verification to check ones age is illegal according to the credit card association rules. i didnt see the interview but i hope he didn't make it sound that way.

any online business (mainstream or adult) can only hope and assume the person on the other end making a cc purchase is of age but having a cc does not mean you are of age.

[Linkster]

Cassie - the CC thing has been brought up many times over the last 9 years - and it has always been used to the biz's advantage - going back to the AVS's and all other attempts at CDA's that the gov't has tried. Fortunately it has never really been used as a legal defense to my knowledge as the EFF and others that file the suits against the CDA's were always able to get them thrown out of free speech grounds.

If my memory serves right it stems from the old phone sex biz when kids used to rack up hundreds/thousands of dollars on phones - the biz had to go to CCs as proof that they were "of age".

I do agree with you, however the reality is that the CCs have been thrown up as a defense frequently as the "age check".
Personally my opinion is that this all just another little hoopla like the 12 other attempts that congressmen have tried to do the same thing over the last 5 years - the bill gets introduced - it goes to committee and gets put away.
Ive said it before - but there is no congressman in their right mind that is going to legitimize this industry by voting for a tax on it.
Secondly - there is a bill that has already gone through the house and is in the senate right now that prohibits any taxes on the internet for another 2 years - the law right now states that you cannot tax "services" on the internet.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by BradM

12 clicks is the same thing rehashed over and over.
He calls you names, throws in keyboard warriors, and a 1orgsmile and thinks he is really clever.

With 12clicks =

rehashed over and over by nobodies like yourself. you misinterpret my lack of interest for being clever just as you misinterpret your chat board troll status as meaningful.

[Cassie]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Secondly - there is a bill that has already gone through the house and is in the senate right now that prohibits any taxes on the internet for another 2 years - the law right now states that you cannot tax "services" on the internet.

do you have a link to this? i'd love to read it.

funny that no one has a clue as to what is going on. if what you say is true, then how can an excise tax bill even be allowed to brought to the floor for consideration?

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by mardigras

Yeah, amazing how many people stopped smoking and drinking just because of the taxes

Real (not nominal) alcohol taxes have actually decreased since World War II.

Not sure how you would tease out the effect you speak of. Per capita alcohol consumption is down in the US the past 20 years. Smoking is down too. Now I would say that is mostly due to cultural/health changes. Less people are smoking though. Due to taxes? Maybe. Maybe not. Here is what happened in Oregon in just two years in the late 1990s though. A 10% tax was followed by a 10% drop in consumption.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056574.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr...s/00001960.gif

[FunForOne]

Originally Posted by mardigras

Moderates are not the same as liberals. If I had to place a current political label on myself it would fall more toward moderate. I do not agree with many things in the "liberal agenda" but I am certainly miles further from conservative.
Bullshit. The south voted Democrat because the Republicans were the party of big business. Once Republicans "found Jesus" and started showing up at NASCAR races they became "good people".
Southerners base their votes on important things, like getting rid of a Democrat governer for a Republican one because the Democrat supports letting the people vote whether to change the contested Confederate flag as the state flag.

fuck it gets old correcting you ignorant kids.


the south always voted democrat because the south used to be extremely poor and the people wanted massive social programs. As a result, 20 years ago, you couldn't get elected to dog catcher in the south unless you were a democrat.

As business and industry grew along with communication sources, middle class citizens began to realize conservative values.

In the south, Nursing homes and college dorms are filled with democrats, everyone else is more conservative than your average liberal.


Its a common misconception that backwoods southern rednecks vote repulican. Those people still vote democrats along with the inner cities which in most cases are made up of a majority of minorities. LOL

The surburbs of the cities create the red states.

[BradM]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

rehashed over and over by nobodies like yourself. you misinterpret my lack of interest for being clever just as you misinterpret your chat board troll status as meaningful.

Insult > keyboard warrior/troll

Same thing over and over

[Doctor Dre]

Lincoln, in a release obtained by XBiz, said her legislation would help relieve the anxieties experienced by families due to the lack of controls they have over what their children view online.
//////////

OMG so many programs for parental control

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by BradM

Insult > keyboard warrior/troll

Same thing over and over

and yet you keep searching out my posts to be insulted over and over. (like one day I'm going to wake up and treat trash differently)

[ADL Colin]

Porn is not illegal. Obscenity is. Taxing porn will not make those who want to prosecute what they deem to be obscene go away. No good can come of it.

[FunForOne]

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

Lincoln, in a release obtained by XBiz, said her legislation would help relieve the anxieties experienced by families due to the lack of controls they have over what their children view online.
//////////

OMG so many programs for parental control

If true liberals rubbed a magic lamp and got a genie wish, we would have government issued boxes to access the internet and taxed per usage with some sort of timesharing clock.

They would explain it as helping the public by giving everyone equal access.

[BradM]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

and yet you keep searching out my posts to be insulted over and over. (like one day I'm going to wake up and treat trash differently)

Blah blah. Avoid the issue of you not being able to argue effectively and simply insulting and avoiding. Blah blah. Same thing over and over.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by BradM

Blah blah. Avoid the issue of you not being able to argue effectively and simply insulting and avoiding. Blah blah. Same thing over and over.

yeah, if I argued with you, you might mentally twist me into a pretzle and that scares me to death.

after all, with all those accomplishments you have, you must be brilliant.
can you list your accomplishments for the class so you can show everyone how mentally outclassed I am?

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by FunForOne

fuck it gets old correcting you ignorant kids.


the south always voted democrat because the south used to be extremely poor and the people wanted massive social programs. As a result, 20 years ago, you couldn't get elected to dog catcher in the south unless you were a democrat.

As business and industry grew along with communication sources, middle class citizens began to realize conservative values.

In the south, Nursing homes and college dorms are filled with democrats, everyone else is more conservative than your average liberal.


Its a common misconception that backwoods southern rednecks vote repulican. Those people still vote democrats along with the inner cities which in most cases are made up of a majority of minorities. LOL

The surburbs of the cities create the red states.

You are so full of shit.
The republicans have dominated the south ever since LBJ pushed through the civil rights act in the 60's, and that's a FACT.

LBJ is on record as saying that he cost his party the south for at least a generation.
WHITE southerners tend to vote republican while black southerners tend to vote Democrat.

[High Quality]

12clicks is always right. When will you learn that?

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by High Quality

12clicks is always right. When will you learn that?

That should be a pearl! ... Ooops, wrong board.

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Colin, are you just using my name for page views?

xenigo, just because I talk about subjects that are over your head, doesn't mean I'm a moron.

Your subjects aren't over anyone's head. What comes out of your mouth, however, is pure stupidity.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by FunForOne

Its a common misconception that backwoods southern rednecks vote repulican. Those people still vote democrats along with the inner cities which in most cases are made up of a majority of minorities. LOL

The surburbs of the cities create the red states.

This is pretty true. Every "redneck" and farmer I knew growing up was Democrat due to subsidies and other similar programs. They do not vote Republican because Republicans are behind the larger farming corporations that push a lot of the regular farmers out of business.

My uncle is the only Republican farmer I've ever known, and a lot of that is based off of his religious morals.