Do they actually have an army?

BTW, if that happened I don't think we'd have another crusade, because there's so many different religions and the vatican is no longer the center of christianity but the center of catholicism. However there's still a billion catholics so you'd have some angry fucking people

The usual response of democracies. Half will want war. The other half will blame themselves.*

*"Themselves" meaning, of course, not really themself but instead a neighbor with a different political view.

The thing is that you labelled NatAll a terrorist organization based on their literature. Fictional literature, at that, as it turns out. You can have any opinion that you want, but when you publicly accuse someone of breaking a law (the label of terrorist is an umbrella term for a range of acts - all illegal), without proof, and with malice or foreseeable malignal effects for the accusee, you have stepped over the outer perimeter defining free speech because then you are endulging in libel.

I should mention that I wouldn't normally whine about some fighting words and heated temperatures, but the mentality underlying what you wrote, the one where controversial thought or political opposition is "terrorist", "illegal" - it really gets to me as I find it the most sinister and cowardly concept imaginable.

First off - I never called them a terrorist organization - I intended to show how an organization can breed terrorism but was cut short. The reason I picked them is that there is a lot of info out there to show how their ideology was adopted by someone (and evidently this person or people believed that Turner was calling out to perform the tasks he documented in his novel - fictional or no) and turned into a real terrorist act. (See T McVeigh for reference)
I didn't express my thoughts perfectly so I hope this helps - Im an old man :) Again I have a wide variety of beliefs and those are based on my 51 years of experiences ranging from military service to demonstrations against old wars etc.

Repetitive Monkey - I also should apologize for linking the two together as I know that the media spends a lot of time trying to "blame" someone for events and that usually a group that some consider "fringe" usually gets the blame. I have spent some time actually reading the natvan/all groups thoughts and policies in the past and often wondered why so many people jump to conclusions about their purpose and ideology without a basis. Although I don't agree with their "thought process" or the path they want to take to achieve their vision of the world, it doesn't mean that I reject them as a viable group. They do have some people involved that place more meaning on their leaders words than I believe the original intention was meant to have and I also know that while they usually speak of having negative reactions to violent acts I think they know as well as I do that eventually the only way to achieve change is going to involve (unfortunately) violence - probably caused by the militant right and left wing groups in a civil action and not though the use of words.

just hope bush doesnt sacrifice your family members to gain approval to carry out an illegal war....it woul interest many to findout out that the Rico files name the bush family as beig corrupt..and that they need a long line of male bush's in power to prevent them from being brought to justice...but most of you livingin yourown country will denouce whati hav said as BS....oh well whatever keeps your ears full of sand

I'd say the response would be that you would have the whole world in an uproar. So I would guess a WWIII, or if you believe in the Bible, "Revelations" would happen. It would essentially make the war on terror, more of a Holy War than anything else.

Maybe that's what these extremists want. To get the whole world in an uproar and bring the shit storm crashing down on their heads, because that would be the end result.

The muslims really need to clean their kitchen. I do not think all Arabs, Muslims, or any other class, or religous sect is all evil. But if they do not want all of the grief they are getting now, and in the future, it would be in their best interests to help clean or weed out some of the extremists.

Either way, you would find a new world order if someone attacked the Vatican as plenty of countries from around the globe would not think twice about hunting whomever responsible down.

:Oh crap

The time of The Rapture?

I was joking..
Vatican is about as military strong as an average kindergarden.

But I think if that happen, Italy would be expected to do something...

The Swiss Guard is not considered to belong to any larger force, but is instead the army of the sovereign state of the Vatican. The force is specifically limited to one hundred soldiers and currently consists of 4 officers, 23 NCOs, 70 halberdiers, 2 drummers, and a chaplain, all with an equivalent Italian army rank. Although the guards are fully trained and equipped in modern weaponry and tactics, they also receive instructions in using the sword and halberd

"50"
Woj made me do it :thumbsup