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BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
The sites dont look like his other design examples ( but if you wanted one of his examples why didnt you just ask for it ) the designs are fine, but it seems its because he was trying to fit a "scheme" he had discussed with you ( i.e. colors etc )

You liked most of it, but suddenly feel you can cancel the whole deal because of a few details you didnt like ?

Did you discuss making changes with him first ? did you discuss any of the problems with him ?
As you can see from my transcripts of the situation above, Lee was very happy with the design at the time, and never mentioned any issues he claims to have about quality.

The design was using Lee's color scheme, text, layout etc - and the ones you're seeing now are after all his changes - which we did, as per his requests.

Lee never discussed any problems he had, unfortunatly due to miscommunication, Lee has been unable to respond to my emails / icq for 1.5 years now

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 03:05 PM
Lee - your design was made by our flagship designer, who designed many of our most popular sites i.e. Sunny Leone

Any attempts you've made to single out quality has backfired - why? because you provided the colors, text, gave direction to the layout etc - and after countless changes, what's left is a representation of whatever you had in mind for this site.

European Lee 07-24-2005 03:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
Any attempts you've made to single out quality has backfired
Sorry, GFY disagrees with you Andrew..

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalai lama
banners & main.html looks like it could use more work

:error
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Originally Posted by mrthumbs
I agree.. woudlnt accept that work either
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Originally Posted by Brujah
I agree with you about the banners, and main. Doesn't look like

the usual BDS quality I've seen in their portfolio and when others have posted

samples.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
I have to agree that this isn't what I'd call "outstanding

work".
The ideas aren't so bad ... but it seems like the guy who did the job isn't a

pro and very experienced graphists ... did a lot of mistakes a lot of new

graphists do .
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
The sites dont look like his other design examples
Quote:
Originally Posted by Relish XXX
I will agree that the main page and banners need work.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunni
not the best design from them for sure
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Originally Posted by TheDoc
I'm not sure why people here though are bitching that you did

something wrong by not paying them. If "you" aren't happy with the work and you

didn't publish the work then you shouldn't pay for the work until you are happy

with the work. Period..

I don't pay for designs unless I'm happy with the work. I don't pay an

electrician for work if I'm not satisfied with his job. I don't pay the cleaning

lady if she does a shitty job, I make her ass come back and then I pay her once

the job is done correctly. This is how the world works, not the other way

around.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Godsmack
I agree, does not look like their quality standard.. maybe it

was outsourced? :-)
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Originally Posted by cherrylula
it looks stripped down.
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Originally Posted by rezdesign
looks like crap to me
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Originally Posted by chazer
It's not all that great design
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Originally Posted by MickeyG
I wouldn't pay for that shit either
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Originally Posted by Matt 26z
LOL What total bullshit.

Webmasters choose a designer based on their portfolio.

If the end result isn't of the same quality level that their portfolio implies

they are capable of, then it's a bait and switch.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BiggleJones
I really hate to say it, but I think Lee has a legit point

about the quality of the design. I dont think the quality is up there with the

rest BDS sites.
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Originally Posted by basschick
so they didn't use the colors you required, and we can see how

grainy things are.

i dunno - i don't expect to pay for designs i don't like. plenty of designers

have managed to meet my requirements, but if you make a design in a totally

other color scheme, you can 100% expect that i won't be buying it.

i don't know the guy at blue, but i wouldn't have been thrilled with

these.
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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
banner and main layout not that hot
Quote:
Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
By looking at the navigation bar.. it seems outsourced...

:2 cents:
Or are you saying that all of those people are wrong too?

If it were just me saying the design quality was shit, i could give some leighway here but it isnt, ask yourself why?

Regards,

Lee

wjxxx 07-24-2005 03:11 PM
You ordered, they designed, you didn`t pay.
you = scammer. end of the story

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 03:11 PM
Lee if I went here finding all the posts of people who realise you're a scammer, I'd be here forever, I'm not going to waste my time doing that.. the site has been posted, you have repeatedly said you would pay for it - the sooner you can wrap this up the less damage you'll be doing to your reputation

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 03:13 PM
Lee if you had ANY concerns about quality - why did you NEVER tell me?

If you were not happy with anything in the design, you only had to say and it would be fixed.

That's why I don't buy your excuses, you have a different one each time you get cornered - and don't you think it's a bit weak that you have never responded to my emails / icq's on the issue? which is why we're here at GFY, because you didn't respond to my emails / icqs for over a year

European Lee 07-24-2005 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
Lee if I went here finding all the posts of people who realise you're a scammer, I'd be here forever, I'm not going to waste my time doing that.. the site has been posted, you have repeatedly said you would pay for it - the sooner you can wrap this up the less damage you'll be doing to your reputation
Its been wrapped up by me..

You delivered low quality shit to us, you arent getting paid, end of story.

Keep on posting, the more people that know about you outsourcing design work the better, perhaps they will go to designers with skills 100% of the time like Webinc and AAAAdultDesigns.

For the record, if Todd or Sharky had delivered work of the same 'quality' as what you did, they wouldnt have been paid by us either, the difference is, they never have.

Regards,

Lee

European Lee 07-24-2005 03:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
Lee if you had ANY concerns about quality - why did you NEVER tell me?

If you were not happy with anything in the design, you only had to say and it would be fixed.

That's why I don't buy your excuses, you have a different one each time you get cornered - and don't you think it's a bit weak that you have never responded to my emails / icq's on the issue? which is why we're here at GFY, because you didn't respond to my emails / icqs for over a year
You need to speak to your business partner, Wade, he was made fully aware of 'quality' issues when we last spoke.

The fact he never passed that information on to you is hardly *MY* problem now is it :winkwink:

Sounds like you may have some kind of internal breakdown of communication that you need to address.

Regards,

Lee

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 03:16 PM
So lee you never answered:


1) why did you never tell me about any concerns you may have had with the quality of the design?

2) why did you not respond to my emails / icq's for over a year?


C'mon, GFY would like to know...

European Lee 07-24-2005 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
So lee you never answered:


1) why did you never tell me about any concerns you may have had with the quality of the design?

2) why did you not respond to my emails / icq's for over a year?


C'mon, GFY would like to know...
1) Because Wade was aware of them.
2) Because you fucked up by going to GFY, i want nothing more to do with you, as i say, its your loss not mine, to the tune of $550.

Perhaps next time you will think twice before outsourcing work to a third party.

Regards,

Lee

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by European Lee
You need to speak to your business partner, Wade, he was made fully aware of 'quality' issues when we last spoke.

The fact he never passed that information on to you is hardly *MY* problem now is it :winkwink:

Sounds like you may have some kind of internal breakdown of communication that you need to address.

Regards,

Lee
So are you saying it's my fault you have never responded to my emails / icq's?

Relish XXX 07-24-2005 03:19 PM
Lee from the transcripts that have been posted it seems as though you asked for it o be like that.

Can you also stop quoting me out of context with regard to this as I now think you are totally in the wrong.

People may not like the way it is designed but that is what you asked for.

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by European Lee
1) Because Wade was aware of them.
2) Because you fucked up by going to GFY, i want nothing more to do with you, as i say, its your loss not mine, to the tune of $550.

Perhaps next time you will think twice before outsourcing work to a third party.

Regards,

Lee
You told Wade that you would pay for the design first before any changes were made - and you've never stuck to your word on this.

I FUCKED UP by going to GFY??????
So you were planning to respond to my emails / icq's in how many years????

European Lee 07-24-2005 03:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
So are you saying it's my fault you have never responded to my emails / icq's?
Yes.

You took it to GFY, private business should be handled, strangely enough, in private.

You fuck with me, i cut you off, it really is that simple and now, everyone knows that you are an idiot who tries to pass off low-quality designs on to your clients in the hopes that GFY will force them in to paying for the shoddy work.

Again, your loss not mine, im done with you :)

Regards,

Lee

European Lee 07-24-2005 03:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Relish XXX
Lee from the transcripts that have been posted it seems as though you asked for it o be like that.

Can you also stop quoting me out of context with regard to this as I now think you are totally in the wrong.

People may not like the way it is designed but that is what you asked for.
Please show me where i asked Andrew for 'a low quality design that isnt on par with your current portfolio' if you can do that ill glady pay the outstanding $550 :)

The problem is, you cant :winkwink:

Regards,

Lee

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 03:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Relish XXX
Lee from the transcripts that have been posted it seems as though you asked for it o be like that.

Can you also stop quoting me out of context with regard to this as I now think you are totally in the wrong.

People may not like the way it is designed but that is what you asked for.
BINGO!!!

The design met all of Lee's objectives, workign around a complex range of issues Lee has, we dont' design for GFY, we design for the client - Lee was 100% satisfied at the time, it doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks of the design, if Lee is the (paying) client and says he is happy ... then

WTF MORE CAN I DO????

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 03:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by European Lee
Yes.

You took it to GFY, private business should be handled, strangely enough, in private.

You fuck with me, i cut you off, it really is that simple and now, everyone knows that you are an idiot who tries to pass off low-quality designs on to your clients in the hopes that GFY will force them in to paying for the shoddy work.

Again, your loss not mine, im done with you :)

Regards,

Lee
lee - when you ignore my icq and emails for over a year, what shoudl I do, keep chasing you like an idiot?

Brujah 07-24-2005 03:29 PM
Wade is a kick-ass designer if I remember from even years and years ago. I can't believe that he designed that main.shtml page.

European Lee 07-24-2005 03:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah
Wade is a kick-ass designer if I remember from even years and years ago. I can't believe that he designed that main.shtml page.
It must be true, Andrew says so :1orglaugh

Regards,

Lee

Brujah 07-24-2005 03:31 PM
I do think it's mostly a communication problem. Lee may have been trying to communicate what he felt might improve the design of the main.shtml page ? BDS seemed to feel he was very happy with the design except for some specific things which they tried to provide him with. The drama after the fact is really too bad. Kiss and make up!

European Lee 07-24-2005 03:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah
The drama after the fact is really too bad. Kiss and make up!
Agreed.

It really is to bad, for Andrew, perhaps he should have thought about the repercussions of his actions prior to posting initially :winkwink:

Regards,

Lee

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 03:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by European Lee
Agreed.

It really is to bad, for Andrew, perhaps he should have thought about the repercussions of his actions prior to posting initially :winkwink:

Regards,

Lee
what did i post?

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 03:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah
Lee may have been trying to communicate
No, Lee wasn't communicating, he was ignoring all my emails and icq's regarding the design

European Lee 07-24-2005 03:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
No, Lee wasn't communicating, he was ignoring all my emails and icq's regarding the design
Hang on, if that was the case, where did you get that list of changes from?

Please think of a lie and stick to it, its not hard to do :winkwink:

Regards,

Lee

Relish XXX 07-24-2005 03:37 PM
I think it has done the world of good for BDS.There portfolio is now being viewing by hundreds of potential customers.

Can you also please note Lee that I dont appreciate you quoting me out of context.

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 03:37 PM
what are these reprecussions you speak of? All I'm getting is support & praise from people - your attempt to run a smear campaign has backfired because each time you come up with a new excuse not to pay it just doesn't hold water

at least choose one excuse and stick with that

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 03:53 PM
oh one more thing lee.. in future please leave the 'blue design studios portfolio update' threads to the experts.

graphicsbytia 07-24-2005 04:04 PM
Andrew, I really like your work.. but I like the way you've handled this situation even more

Lee is a nightmare customer, we all have them.. they give you direction (15 re-dos is a lot though.. lol) .. then they complain that they don't like it.. go figure

Are you open to doing some outsourcing work for me? I am too busy with content to do any designing anymore.. besides.. my designing skills aren't as good as I'd like.. doesn't stop people from coming to me though.. lol

hit me up if you're interested

Relish XXX 07-24-2005 04:08 PM
Andrew, if it wasnt for the fact that I am partners with Quashe we would use you for work.

Personally I am siding with you.

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 04:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by European Lee
Hang on, if that was the case, where did you get that list of changes from?

Please think of a lie and stick to it, its not hard to do :winkwink:

Regards,

Lee
You emailed me those changes in roughly Feb 04, and since then I have spent over one year trying to contact you back - I can count roughly 60 un-answered emails and 20+ unanswered ICQ msgs

Am I telling the truth or are you lying?

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 04:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Relish XXX
Andrew, if it wasnt for the fact that I am partners with Quashe we would use you for work.

Personally I am siding with you.
Thanks, I appreciate it

Though, any designer who sides with Lee is basically saying it's ok for clients to bring their unpaid projects to GFY 2 years later & decide to pay based on a few out of context comments from people

I don't know anyone who does business like this, it's so unprofessional that I can't believe there are still such people out there.

I thought Lee was a nice guy initially - boy did I make a bad judgement on his character!

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 04:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by graphicsbytia
Andrew, I really like your work.. but I like the way you've handled this situation even more

Lee is a nightmare customer, we all have them.. they give you direction (15 re-dos is a lot though.. lol) .. then they complain that they don't like it.. go figure

Are you open to doing some outsourcing work for me? I am too busy with content to do any designing anymore.. besides.. my designing skills aren't as good as I'd like.. doesn't stop people from coming to me though.. lol

hit me up if you're interested

Thanks Tia - Lee is definitely the customer from hell - never paid a cent, doesn't respond to emails or icq's - I dont' get how you can complain if you never paid for a design!!

I like your work, whenever we're too busy and need to turn away clients I will be sure to send them your way :)

graphicsbytia 07-24-2005 04:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
Thanks Tia - Lee is definitely the customer from hell - never paid a cent, doesn't respond to emails or icq's - I dont' get how you can complain if you never paid for a design!!

I like your work, whenever we're too busy and need to turn away clients I will be sure to send them your way :)
Nooo!... don't send them to me.. I want to send YOU some..I'm way too busy to be designing :)

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by graphicsbytia
Nooo!... don't send them to me.. I want to send YOU some..I'm way too busy to be designing :)
oh LOL my bad.. that is a very generous offer, if you do get too busy you can send them our way, and we will do likewise :)

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
There is a professional trade organization in the graphic design field called AIGA (The American Institute of Graphic Artists), which represents over 15,000 accredited professional graphic designers. The "total bullshit" (as you call it) position that I set forth is based upon AIGA's fair practice guidelines.

If you would like to learn about AIGA and fair design practices, their web site is www.AIGA.org - I have linked a section titled:
A Client's Guide to Design:
How to get the most out of the process, which some of you may find beneficial to understand how the graphic design industry actually works (as opposed to how you wish it would work).

Several people obviously have a misconception about design services. In a perfect world, every client is 100% satisfied with every design. In the end, that doesn't always happen. The client is still liable for payment (that's why many professional firms charge 50% upfront to new clients).

I'm not interested in continuing to argue with anyone, especially if they refuse to take the time to understand how the design industry actually operates.

Since I don't see either party changing their position, I can only conclude that:

BDS did the work, and did not intend to rip-off European Webmasters (which in another point I made, still only exists in name...why is that?).

European Webmasters is guilty of contracting for a service which was performed, and refuses to pay for it.

If anyone has been ripped off, it's BDS.

ADG Webmaster
Fantastic post - you are spot on with this :)

bhutocracy 07-24-2005 05:00 PM
I think it's not bad at all. Don't forget it's not filled out with all the info.. if it had proper banners and all the content in it would look a lot more finished.. it's just a template atm and I don't mind it... also that it's not a paysite so of course it's going to lack the wow factor of a lot of their portfolio...

Jace 07-25-2005 01:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by European Lee
I just found some of the 'revisions' too here ya go..

http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/.../main_eng.html

for some reason the menu on this one looks like it should be on a page dedicated to pirates...the map and font remind me of pirates..no idea why..maybe chio the pirate designed it

jonesy 07-25-2005 01:35 AM
LEE

http://www.jonesy.info/images/actold.jpg

BlueDesignStudios 07-25-2005 01:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaceXXX
for some reason the menu on this one looks like it should be on a page dedicated to pirates...the map and font remind me of pirates..no idea why..maybe chio the pirate designed it
LOL it's what Lee asked for.. and he was very happy with it, he told us at the time we did a great job on the site :) funny when it comes to paying the bill for the site, he'll go back on his word..

European Lee 07-25-2005 11:13 PM
Bump :)

Regards,

Lee


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