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If people are willing to give up their free speech rights, the terrorists have already won.

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I think the point being made overall here is that we already do give up our free speech rights on an everyday basis or at least hold or desire others (inconsistently) to give up theirs.

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Paco, of Large Cash.

Sorry, I missed your reply and that I did not respond sooner; thank you, as well. I had hoped (and somewhat knew) I was not the only one.

I did not enjoy typing what I did, as well I wish I was naive to some historical events (ignorance is bliss), HOWEVER, I do believe terrorist attacks will escalate unless something drastic is done (yes, ouch).

spanky part 2

Not that I necessarily believe this, but to give a different point of view.

Did you ever think that this shit is happening because of decades of the western society shitting on them. Seems to me like we have been very one sided protecting the jewish state.

Kind of like beating a dog. For a long time it will simply cower and take it, but eventually it's gonna bite back.

Personally I think their should be a worldwide ban on any and all organized religion. If you look thru history almost every war can be traced back to religion.

Paco, of Large Cash.

Prior to my reading up on the history of (when I had the naive hippy attitude), but once educated, no.

Again (please review my lengthy post about the beginning of this little issue), this problem, dating back to 1080-something, in part is due to the clash between the Christians and Muslims.

Read about the first Christian Crusades, and so on. If anything, blame the Christians, not Westerners (a very 'Hollywood' typically trendy weapon of the ignorant). Hell, the Christians even go as to defend their actions.

Paco, of Large Cash.

If your going to pull out that western thingy, you may as well start at the source ... you know, queen mutha ... the monarch.

How about the papacy? The are more evil than the devil they protect their blind little lambs from.

Paco, of Large Cash.

HOLY SHIT!

Spanky pt.2 ... the only other person that I've met at GFY with a pair of balls!

Rare creatures that are willing to accept ridicule, you and I are.

abetech

I am a firm believer in fredom of speech as well. On the other hand I think that you should be held responsible for what you say. I you preach the lynching of "Those dirty fags" and a few end up dead by people influenced by your speech then you should be heading to jail as well.

You have every right to say what you want, but you should also be held accountable for what you say.

Cory W

I did not get the burrito remark. I admit. However, you might be careful in assuming you are more intelligent for it.

I can hold my own, respectfully.

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Paco, of Large Cash.

*flump*

WOW ... two for two.
I agree 100%, it seems people have abandoned accountability and no person accepts responsibility.

Funny how Charles Manson ended up in jail for what he supposedly told people, yet there is a pack of asshat wearing clowns protecting O.B.L's & the Muslim bomb-wielding fanatics.

I believe the west is showing the world 'equality', but the powers at the helm are terrified because they are losing their grasp.

Cory W

Thank you.

To be honest, GFY has been nothing short of impressive. I don't see one post not sound.

Must be the full moon.

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Paco, of Large Cash.

Stop looking for and clicking on the "would you hit ... " threads and you will find that there are many good posts on GFY. (Yes, I agree 100%, the 'I'd hit it' threads, childish/high school cliques and wannabe celebs are pathetic, which is why I stayed away GFY. Bored, I decided to return, as I like using the verbal stick to poke at some.)

I did not try to argue with you, for mere enjoyment (not that that matters), I merely attempted a partial jacking of the thread (not saying you require my or any person?s assistance) as it did peak my curiosity.

Fine, straight to the point/question:
By your actions, are you saying people should react in a manner similar to yours, to what they do not like to hear? (Attack freedom of speech with physical violence, simply because it offended you?)

Would you not consider that action along the same lines (maybe not as extreme, due to the lack of casualties) of a terrorist?

Coffee, paper, balloon, pipebomb ?

hotstuff

prohibitng hate speech is the same concept as prohibiting yelling 'fire' in a movie theatre. before the klansmen went looking for a black to kill or a lawn to burn a cross on, they had a meeting where the grand wizard got the foot soldiers all worked up about black folks. an assembly of neo-nazis is just one 'gypsies rape our women!' away from an immediately subsequent racially motivated murder.

i am not necessarily advocating this, as i personally welcome the concept of unrestricted freedoms, but this is an approach far more acceptable and fair (as in universally applicable, see 4th amendment) than 'going after radical mosques'.

Paco, of Large Cash.

? WTF did you get that idea from ? Please show me the text where I attacked your intelligence. What I stated was: I wish I did not know some of the things I know, as well how ignorance is bliss [period]!

While your handing to warnings, I would like to recommend that you please not look too deeply for any hidden meaning in my posts.
My sarcasm typically starts with a [sarcasm], and ends with a [/sarcasm].

Cory W

I think it is a great thread. I think you helped make it that way.

No hard feelings.

I will respond to your other post above in a bit.

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Actually (having had a cross burned in my front yard and Im white) the klansman that attended those meetings (assuming you are talking about modern-day 1950s and 60s groups) were already very aware of the hate and used the language in their day-to-day dealings with blacks - and where I live, they still do. The older groups that came about after the Civil war were a little different in that they all agreed to kill certain blacks ahead of time and then used their night-time raids to carry it out.
The hate speech we were discussing here is the type that you would find at a rally in a public park and while they promote the elimination of some races and colors, I would still say that it is protected speech. I may not agree with it but that as well is my protected speech that they are going to hear I dont hold that any group should be censored in their speech - Ive been to meetings where discussions were had about the best way to attack Wash DC and have even had people try to talk me into working in groups that later went on to plant bombs (this was the 60s and some groups became very radical to the point that they became obsessive)
I didnt agree with their methods so I made a choice not to be around that type of speech anymore - and no I never knew any specific plans so I couldnt yell "fire" - also we all knew that the FBI had two informants in the group so they were able to stop most of the stuff.

I agree that there are certain types of speech - I think I mentioned before - where there is a "direct causation" that can be censored - unfortunately that definition is real vague and form what Ive read recently is about to become a little more vague in the new Patriot Act

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man i hope nothing bad happens for awhile...it could get ugly for peaceful muslim families etc

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Cory W

Responding to what is in bold, no, I was wrong to pour the coffee. However, it assisted greatly in raising awareness to my point. Freedom of Speech is a matter of what is convenient.

Am I calling Freedom of Speech racially beset? To a degree, I have to admit that I am. The writing is on the wall.

Like I said, I think preaching hate against others and calling for your followers to "act" on their hate should not be allowed. Period. And now when the white christians are in danger, the US majority agrees with me.

Coincidence?

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I miss the latte.

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Would the same people who want to outlaw "hate" speech by muslims also want to outlaw hate speech against muslims?

Wouldn't that make most right wing talk radio hosts criminals?

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Paco, of Large Cash.

Thank you for the response Cory.
Some situatoins require extreme measure ... a latte did just fine.

Pleasurepays

there is a big difference between fighting for oil and bases / democracy in the middle east and a world wide terror campaign to simply kill muslims in the name of god and christianity. no christian has boarded a bus in Iran and blew up 30 people. no christian group sponsors terrorism against muslims. no christian churches are openly preaching for the murder of muslims.

Cory W

Define terrorism.

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Cory W

As do I. Unfortunately, I had to cut back on caffeine. In college I consumed 3 of them a day from the campus.

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