What if affiliates were required to... - GoFuckYourself.com

RRRED · 07-20-2005, 09:51 PM

to sign a contract stating that if they spam or break any of the programs terms and conditions, they would be responsible for any fines that the program would get from the ftc?

thoughts?

llporter · 07-20-2005, 09:53 PM

sounds fine with me - we must all play by the rules or we'll all get a bad name

Mako · 07-20-2005, 09:55 PM

You guys that worried about it? Doesn't money grow on trees at RC lately?

I wouldn't have a problem signing it if I were an affiliate, if it were defined in proper detail and clear.

Sosa · 07-20-2005, 09:58 PM

yep, when an affiliate signs up for a new program, they should have to fax back a signed document to the sponsor stating all the stuff. Basically having a hard copy of the agreement.

Furious_Female · 07-20-2005, 09:59 PM

Harsh!!!!

Ramos · 07-20-2005, 09:59 PM

very good question....

datatank · 07-20-2005, 10:02 PM

This has been going in for 2+ years with some programs

Furious_Female · 07-20-2005, 10:04 PM

In all seriousness though, it wouldn't be a big deal. Affiliates who spam will just send to programs that waive that disclaimer and affiliates who don't spam won't mind signing it because it's not even an issue for them.

Tempest · 07-20-2005, 10:05 PM

I thought the standard TOS already had that sort of wording built into them? the limited liability crap or something like that? I think there's a lot more to the FTC thing than we are aware of... When I sign up as an affiliate, check some box saying I've read the TOS and agree to it and will be bound to it, I believe I've already signed a contract. There should be no need for any other crappola.

RRRED · 07-20-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mako

You guys that worried about it? Doesn't money grow on trees at RC lately?

I wouldn't have a problem signing it if I were an affiliate, if it were defined in proper detail and clear.

I'm not speaking on the behalf of lens right now. I'm just curious about whether it would hold up in court or not. I used to do fraud control and it was really difficult. It's bad enough to have to have a full time person on staff to organize 2257 shit but another to have a full time fraud control team. It would take several people for that and STILL you can only do so much.

The government just can't handle the fact that so many people are capitalizing on horny people beating off at home. The want to make all the money. Plain and simple.

Just make pot legal and tax the shit out of it. Problem solved. Maybe we can build some new roads, launch a few extra missles, and feed some more illegal aliens with the money.

Don't listen to me... I'm overtired today

jayeff · 07-20-2005, 10:21 PM

Even if you could make someone liable to refund your costs, the FTC or whoever would still come after you to pay the fine. You would need to pay them and then separately go after the affiliate to recover the money.

That could be expensive or even impossible if the affiliate were overseas and even if in the US, he/she might not have the money to pay. You could also find yourself in a dispute about the legality of your TOS, your own responsibility for your prosecution, and whether or not you adequately defended yourself.

3piece chicken Dinner · 07-20-2005, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RRRED

I'm not speaking on the behalf of lens right now.

Kinda obvious. and I wonder, I noticed you guys accept mail.

in fact if I may quote your program page.

"Do not require the ?sexually explicit? nonsense"

That might damage the contract you would have with your affiliate.

WarChild · 07-20-2005, 10:27 PM

I'd sign, seems fair enough to me.

WiredGuy · 07-20-2005, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRRED

to sign a contract stating that if they spam or break any of the programs terms and conditions, they would be responsible for any fines that the program would get from the ftc?

thoughts?

I know one sponsor has been doing this for nearly 3 years.
WG

WiredGuy · 07-20-2005, 10:34 PM

But, what happens in regards with foreign webmasters who are not so easy to collect on? Still poses a big problem doesn't it...
WG

RRRED · 07-21-2005, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I know one sponsor has been doing this for nearly 3 years.
WG

who?? I've never seen anyone do that

07-20-2005, 09:51 PM	#1
RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	What if affiliates were required to... to sign a contract stating that if they spam or break any of the programs terms and conditions, they would be responsible for any fines that the program would get from the ftc? thoughts?

07-20-2005, 09:55 PM	#3
Mako Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The OC baby! Posts: 1,986	You guys that worried about it? Doesn't money grow on trees at RC lately? I wouldn't have a problem signing it if I were an affiliate, if it were defined in proper detail and clear. __________________

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Furious_Female Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Upstate, New York Posts: 8,187	Harsh!!!! __________________ Skype: j3nn.com ICQ 160370494 My current favorite high-converting sponsor: CrakRevenue

07-20-2005, 09:59 PM	#6
Ramos Custom User Title Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 11,927	very good question.... __________________ blewit.com - Performance & Pleasure Training For Men.

07-20-2005, 10:04 PM	#8
Furious_Female Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Upstate, New York Posts: 8,187	In all seriousness though, it wouldn't be a big deal. Affiliates who spam will just send to programs that waive that disclaimer and affiliates who don't spam won't mind signing it because it's not even an issue for them. __________________ Skype: j3nn.com ICQ 160370494 My current favorite high-converting sponsor: CrakRevenue

07-20-2005, 09:53 PM	#2
llporter Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 3,221	sounds fine with me - we must all play by the rules or we'll all get a bad name

07-20-2005, 09:58 PM	#4
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	yep, when an affiliate signs up for a new program, they should have to fax back a signed document to the sponsor stating all the stuff. Basically having a hard copy of the agreement.

07-20-2005, 10:02 PM	#7
datatank Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: My dog is blacker than Tupac Posts: 5,471	This has been going in for 2+ years with some programs

07-20-2005, 10:05 PM	#9
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	I thought the standard TOS already had that sort of wording built into them? the limited liability crap or something like that? I think there's a lot more to the FTC thing than we are aware of... When I sign up as an affiliate, check some box saying I've read the TOS and agree to it and will be bound to it, I believe I've already signed a contract. There should be no need for any other crappola.

07-20-2005, 10:21 PM	#11
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	Even if you could make someone liable to refund your costs, the FTC or whoever would still come after you to pay the fine. You would need to pay them and then separately go after the affiliate to recover the money. That could be expensive or even impossible if the affiliate were overseas and even if in the US, he/she might not have the money to pay. You could also find yourself in a dispute about the legality of your TOS, your own responsibility for your prosecution, and whether or not you adequately defended yourself.

07-20-2005, 10:27 PM	#13
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	I'd sign, seems fair enough to me. __________________ .

07-20-2005, 10:34 PM	#15
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,484	But, what happens in regards with foreign webmasters who are not so easy to collect on? Still poses a big problem doesn't it... WG __________________ I play with Google.