Ashcroft to crack down on hardcore sites - GoFuckYourself.com

brocklanders · 06-09-2001, 09:37 AM

Enjoying my morning coffee until I came across this:
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,44398,00.html

Hardcore sex site operators facing prison time? WTF? Oh well, time to move the servers to Russia. I wonder how many Rubles it costs for hosting...heheh

echo465 · 06-09-2001, 09:44 AM

"The failure of the (Clinton) administration to enforce those laws has led to a proliferation of obscenity, both online and off," Goodlatte said. "And I am particularly concerned about the safety of our children on the Internet, where they're subjected to child pornography and solicitation in a massive way."

It always has to be about protecting the children. Funny thing, I'm an adult webmaster, I have gigabytes of porn on my local HDD, and yet my 4-year old daughter isn't 'subjected to child pornography and solicitation in a massive way'. As far as she knows, most of the Internet consists of sites like nickjr.com.

chass · 06-09-2001, 09:46 AM

How the hell will he stop porn on the web? What an idiot! He might be able to slow down the nudity in the US, but how many other countries are there in the world that do porn on the WWW? Too many to count!

Who knows, for all we know he might have been rejected by one of those live nude girly shows and he's just pissed about it so he's taking out of the porn industry...

Probably whacks he's meat everyday...LOL

brocklanders · 06-09-2001, 10:02 AM

Lol, Chass. Hey Lensman, check your signups -- do you see a J. Ashcroft or what?

What I don't understand is, whether or not children ARE subjected to porn or not. I realize that you can go to a search engine and type in Sesame Street, and up pops a porn site. I also see kids' AOL mailboxes fill up with porn spam. But I believe, just like anything else we don't want kids to be subjected to, that its the parents who should make sure their kids don't look at the stuff. If kids are looking at porn on their parents' computer, then that's bad parenting.

Ashcroft is saying it's the guns themselves that kill, not the people pulling the trigger.

Just wonder who he is going to use as an example when he finally does decide to crack down. Anyone actually worried, or is this one of many failed attempts by the gov. to put us out of business?

UnseenWorld · 06-09-2001, 10:21 AM

Let's dispel the myth that you can move outside the scope of US law by moving your servers elsewhere. Some gambling site operators moved to the Caribbean and have found that they can't return to the United States without being arrested. The salient facts are these: if you are a US citizen and what you do (wherever that may be) reaches US citizens, you are operating under US law.

Free sites may go the way of the buggy whip, and pay sites will all have to have very well manicured G-rated tours.

Frankly, in terms of our kids, it might be a good thing.

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Hypo · 06-09-2001, 10:42 AM

Less free porn = more sales. Aint that a good thing?

Stamm321 · 06-09-2001, 10:48 AM

No I dont think free sites will ever go away
they may go G rated, with censored pictures, but if the surfer cant get porn anywhere else, they will still be a viable means of converting people
besides that, ashcroft will not be able to stop porn. he may be able to stop some hardcore, or slow down hardcore, but simple nudity he doesnt stand a chance against.
all i have to do, is post my pics as nude art, make sure that they are softcore, and he cant touch me. if its art, im protected, if its hardcore im not
really, if that little commmunist right wing bastard ashcroft does come after us, and stops the hardcore - it would be better for all of us. we would see a much better conversion rate.
if he comes after the hardcore, you will also see a big jump in avs sites, yet another ace up our sleeves to fight him.
What will probably happen, is little ash will propose extreme measures to get us all, then the left wing will launch counter measures and it will all even out somewhere in the middle. probably banning hardcore without a protected area, and basic nudity will survive even without the "artistic" label.
Any adult webmaster that voted for governor bush and president cheney - i hope they come after you first!
If you voted for this communist regime, YOU DESERVE TO GET FUCKED WITH!

justined · 06-09-2001, 10:55 AM

brocklanders, bang on with that, I've been surffing the web with my kids for well over a year now, and with safesurf enabled have never encountered anything to be alarmed about. If I leave the room the connection goes with me, any parent that uses the net to babysit their kids might as well give the little darling a chainsaw to play with.
Are we as a race learning any lessons yet?
I think so, but, very very slooooowly.

J
And now...........back to the porn

TFCash · 06-09-2001, 10:56 AM

Let's not also forget the fact that owning an adult website could very well become much more expensive. Those large server farms that have all of the bandwidth, have been allowing adult content for years now. Who do you think Asscroft will go after, it's not going to be joe website owner, he is going to scare the shit out of the larger data centers and they will in turn drop adult related sites, which will dramatically drive up the price of hosting a website. May not happen, but I remember the last scare when everyone thought they were going to have to cover everything up with an avs a few years back, and there were a number of large ISP's that simply dropped adult related sites altogether. Don't forget, just because we use a lot of bandwidth does not mean that we are all that profitable to the datacenters, they make much more money on a $40 a month website that uses 50Mb a month !!!

Tim

deluxe · 06-09-2001, 11:11 AM

No problem, just put it behind avs...

i think everything will be in a while

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titmowse · 06-09-2001, 12:03 PM

so these kids on aol get flooded with pornographic email in their mailboxes and get private messages from cyberstalkers. maybe it's time to take a good look at aol. seems to me too many aol users either don't know how to set up filters for their email or perhaps more alarming, is maybe aol doesn't allow the user to properly block such content from their pc. aol is evil.

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eRock · 06-09-2001, 12:58 PM

It does say "Obscene" sites not necessarily "hardcore". I wouldn't panic yet. I believe that means things along the lines of beastiality, fisting, etc.

DragonAss · 06-09-2001, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stamm321:
If you voted for this communist regime, YOU DESERVE TO GET FUCKED WITH!

I'm a Libertarian, so hopefully karma will make me one of the last to get fucked with by the SmutStompers

Efil4zaggin · 06-09-2001, 03:09 PM

You crazy Americans, I just love the way your politicians go on their morality kicks, when most of them are just as dirty as the rest of us - Jesse Jackson, Bill Clinton to name a few. It seems America likes to "pretend" that nobody in their country is supposed to like sex - even though billions of dollars are spent on it every year. Will Adult sites ever be shut down - no, simply because of first amendment rights, will their be severe restrictions - that is the more likely scenerio. As for me I'm staying in Canada where for some reason sex is not that big a political issue.

If you're still with me at this point, drop by my site at the below address and lets exchange links.

Chow.

Rip · 06-09-2001, 03:24 PM

This will help paysites make more money and profitable american companies will be relocating sections of their sites and servers offshore

You have to think that many us hosting companies are making changes to their future plans, right now

Stamm321 · 06-09-2001, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DragonAss:
I'm a Libertarian, so hopefully karma will make me one of the last to get fucked with by the SmutStompers

lol
i have no party affiliations at all. i vote for the best person for the job.
although i do have an extreme prejudice against the republican right wing!
but hey, the hippies on the left piss me off too
dont hear to much from the Libertarians -

but if i had my druthers in life, i would eliminate the extreme right and left wing of this country!
oh well, i guess ill just stick to porn for awhile longer and piss them both off

McSpike · 06-09-2001, 05:19 PM

I'd love to see NO free hardcore on the net and if it takes some Ashcroft person to help with that then so be it. Less free hardcore means more buckos in my pocket! And if it's only US which will go after free hardcore that's something at least. About half the amount I'd say. And it means hard work for that Joe Horny to find hardcore and more chances he will have to buy to get it. Isn't that nice? I think that's what we all want.

LLs, TGPs and all other porn portals will stay because they CAN be all protected! So how would no hardcore TGP look like? Like a gold mine to me!

julian · 06-09-2001, 05:40 PM

Who ever voted for bush and his fascist authoritarian regime- you deserve to get fucked!
Vote Libertarian- http://www.lp.org

Susan · 06-09-2001, 06:12 PM

Quote McSpike...

And if it's only US which will go after free hardcore that's something at least.

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UnseenWorld · 06-09-2001, 08:53 PM

Free hardcore is not going to move off the web. What many of you AND the Feds seem to forget is that anyone anywhere become a hardcore porn webmaster. Just because the jackboots are cracking heads here doesn't mean that anybody outside the country is affected. It would force just about everyone here in the US to become a paysite or AVS operator. How it would affect a German, French, or Russian free site webmaster is that it would eliminate a lot of US competition.

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eRock · 06-09-2001, 11:10 PM

LOL...I just got "brock landers"! Boogie Nights, right!? I LOVE it...!!!

Wilber · 06-10-2001, 01:18 AM

Well I hope Ashcroft can speak Spanish. He is going to need it when
he tells terra.es to "remove the sin-sites" from their servers.

Ashcroft had two swearing-in ceremonies when he entered the Senate.
The first conducted by a priest in which Ashcroft "anointed" himself as
a messenger from God (with Crisco oil), and the second a usual coronation
for his public.

dank · 06-10-2001, 12:32 PM

If you're hoping that someone like Ashcroft will ban free hardcore so that you can make more money then you're selling out your rights which are granted to you by the first amendment.
The main issue that Ashcroft is raising is that porn is accessible to children.

I have to agree that it is the owner of the gun not the gun that is most dangerous.

If parents can't do their job by keeping their children away from material that is illegal for them to view then that's the problem.

So what if they put censorship banners over nude porn ads? That doesn't make parents any more better with their kids.

And if there's freehardcore out there then it should be in the people's control.

One way or another don't sell out your constitutional rights and don't let the government tell you how to raise your kids.

But at the same time, parents should be more responsible to not let their kids view images that are illegal to them.

Got it?
Good!

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Warphead · 06-10-2001, 01:12 PM

To all you guys that would love to see "free hardcore" disappear from the net, you're missing one big issue.

Ashcroft isn't the Attorney-General of the Earth, just the US.

The worst he can do is shut down us Americans, and give guys like the Hun less competition. Hardcore won't be gone, it'll just be harder for Americans to profit from it.

boneprone · 06-10-2001, 01:23 PM

You know its funny seeing Dank's post.. Back in October I was telling him what the political environment would be like with this office in power.. He insited that he knew what he was doing and voted for this administration..

He was not about to look up at what this administration stood for and who their lobbyests were as I had told him.. He was certain that a vote for Bush was the right thing, even though our industry was doing everything in its power to raise money for the democratic party, and get the message out as to what the Bush Ashcroft era would do to our industry.

Its just disturbing how many people fell for George Bush's buyimg of our votes in promising tax breaks.. Its as if many of you sold out, but now you complain about the expense and which you sold out.. You voted for this administration, now its time people like dank bite their lip, cause this is the price we must now all pay because of the voters.

boneprone · 06-10-2001, 01:32 PM

What makes this the most disturbing is that Ashcroft-Bush administration has only been in power for several months now, and have already set out on the obscenity law amendment crusade with just months into their administration... Most legal consultants defending us and political groups of the first admendment are shocked that this attack has occred soo soon. Most of us expected this to happen within the second year of power not the second month..

This is a goal of the current administration to start early and get the job done during their term.. This is of a high priority for the administration for the intrest groups who payed their way into office are demanding instant results, and with Ashcroft leading the crusade, you can expect it to be #1 on his priority list. And it is.. Here it was only 2 months into the term in office, and he alrady set things in motion getting that obsecnity law in effect, which has already gone into affect in some states..

We have all heard about the girl going to jail owing a dildo, and the webmasters with live shows going to prision in select states that enfore the obsenity laws..

As the Attorneys at the last convetnion said, "there is a reason 90% of the adult industry is in California".. this is becoming all the more clear as to why.

boneprone · 06-10-2001, 01:41 PM

Id be intrested to see if there are any adult webmasters in the State of Utah at this time.. Utah is the first state to have a anti-nudity Internet Cezar as a public offical.

Her job is to find any adult sites owned or created in the state of Utah, and to arrest and inprison them under the amendments of the obsenity law acceped by the state..

Her office was granted a multi million dollar budget from Washington to give her the power and resourses to find adult webmasters or pornographic content providers in Utah and to proscute them under the obsecinty law which is actually enforced in the state to inprison those of us in Utah. there are 3 other states that also accept the law. One of which was the state that arrested and jailed the woman that owned a dildo.

boneprone · 06-10-2001, 01:45 PM

Once again I say this is all the falut of the voters like DANK!

Aie-Yahhh..

Fucking Doe-mahs and Chew Kie Eyes!

boneprone · 06-10-2001, 01:46 PM

Everyone send a nice ICQ to Dank, thanking him.. He will like it!

boneprone · 06-10-2001, 01:47 PM

Its all his fault!

dank · 06-10-2001, 01:53 PM

It's true..........I once was blind but now I see........However, I've never been in any way affliated with the right wing......or the left wing. There needs to be more parties. I'm registered as an Independant, but I don't fully agree with a lot of there general views either. I'ts just that there needs to be a strong party or parties somewhere in between the left and right. Because I think they're both shitty.

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boneprone · 06-10-2001, 01:59 PM

I dont get it, and advocate of teen models, yet vote for BUSH? Im really confused!

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Warphead · 06-10-2001, 02:04 PM

I think the boneprone family needs to pull a few strings and get a revolution started. Didn't Jefferson say we needed a revolution every 200 years to keep us free? We're overdue!

VIVA LA BONEPRONE!

dank · 06-10-2001, 02:31 PM

Yes.....a revolution! Bush/Ashcroft are the people's mistake.......Now it's time for those of us who made that mistake to become "THE SOLUTION" So let's start a revolution!!!

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McSpike · 06-10-2001, 02:51 PM

Webmasters outside the US would have less competition, that's true, but would they have more profit also? I think that heaving sotcore only sites would force non-US webmasters to build softcore sites too or suffer the loss of a lot of traffic. Meaning everyone would become aware of the magic of teasing and everyone would feel the power of it. Like RB says: "When you go to a stripbar do you pay the woman to get dressed?"

Ya hardcore wouldn't go away totally - there will always be webmasters who can't live without hardcore, but most webmasters would have to start building softcore sites to be able to get listed on US sites. And would you then go and build two type of the same site? One for US sites and one for non-US? I bet the majority would only build softcore from then on and save the time and also give our industry what it needs - LESS FREE HARDCORE!

Everyone knows it's free hardcore that's causing less sales. It won't go away but there is a lot of US webmasters out there, meaning there is a lot of LLs, TGPs and other traffic resources that would go softcore only. Meaning they have a lot of influence! So non-US webmasters would have to follow US laws also or face not being accepted on those US traffic pumps. That could change the thinking of lots of "free hardcore promoters".

I don't see any bad things in this, only good. Are you afraid of your traffic going away to "free hardcore" sites? Well then don't put their fucking links on your softcore sites! Would they (fre hardcore ones) get more SE traffic? Not unless they pay for it! You have your softcore sites listed in the SEs too, right?

All US sites would have to trade traffic with US sites only and I could not be more happy to be linked on that sites!

dank · 06-10-2001, 04:56 PM

No matter how you look at it, it's all just sex and the sex industry or the adult business or whatever you wanna call it.

You're missing the point. If those fuckers can ban hardcore what's stopping them from censoring and banning softcore eventually.

We're talking about the future of our business.

Finally, after they ban softcore they'll decide to ban the entire industry altogether.
They can do it too. They'll find a way.

You see, there are tons of people in America and from other countries around the world who believe that our business is just plain wrong.

Don't give an inch or they will take a mile.

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sairanx · 06-10-2001, 05:50 PM

I think we can suply the surfers with free hardcore from holland. could make us some nice money :-)

When we controll the porn bizz we will be able to finance our world wide pot bizz and buy all the weapons we need to controll the world and bring real freedom everywere ;-)

TheFLY · 06-10-2001, 06:20 PM

What gets me is that in the meantime we have to wonder what is considered hardcore and/or illegal... or whatever. I haven't finished reading the Ashcroft shit yet -- but this really bothers me. Can we still use hardcore text -- how can he use the word hardcore when referring to breasts?! There aren't any hardcore pics on my site anyway -- but does that protect me or anyone else from being arrested? Hell no... since when is the government reasonable. Maybe they think that a vagina is considered hardcore.

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TheFLY · 06-10-2001, 06:42 PM

First I think it's lame that WIRED puts words in Ashcroft's mouth...

"that hardcore sex sites would no longer be selling peeks at balloon-breasted babes."

Is not even what Ashcroft said...

This is what he really said... All he did was excuse the situation as it is and always has been. It has always been illegal in some states to show pornography and that is why we have disclaimers on our sites.

"I thank you for the question. I am concerned about obscenity and I'm concerned about obscenity as it relates to our children."

Who cares if you are concerned -- what are you going to do about it?

"The electronic data transmission revolution has revolutionized certain kinds
of criminal activity, and the technology involved in it makes it much more
difficult for limited law enforcement agencies, like small county prosecutors
and frequently local enforcement operations, to operate as effectively as they
might otherwise if the digital universe were not involved."

Blah we already knew this. Basically you are saying that you can't do anything about the situation.

"We pride ourselves on cooperating to enforce laws with state and local authorities"

We don't care about your pride. You wouldn't be in this position of power if you didn't have such a big ego anyway so that's moot.

"but particularly in areas where the federal government has the kind of technology and technological awareness related to cybercrime and its many manifestations in different areas."

See now this actually sounds like it could be a threat -- or just boasting. What "kind of technological awareness" is he talking about?

"We try to be especially accommodating to
local law enforcement to assist them, and I would think that would be an objective of ours in this respect."

"Try" is past tense here. Ok so basically he's saying this has been the case -- and still is the case. Nothing has changed. He doesn't even know what the objective is for sure -- he *thinks* that it's an objective -- which probably means he doesn't know for sure what the fuck the objective is.

Let me know when we get some real news.

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boneprone · 06-10-2001, 11:36 PM

well said.. I hope this is really nothing to worry about.

dank · 06-11-2001, 11:48 AM

I agree with the Fly!
Right on brotha!
Well spoken!

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boneprone · 06-11-2001, 12:00 PM

No one asked you dank.

V_RocKs · 07-17-2005, 11:49 PM

Boneprone drama?

06-09-2001, 09:37 AM	#1
brocklanders Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 297	Ashcroft to crack down on hardcore sites Enjoying my morning coffee until I came across this: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,44398,00.html Hardcore sex site operators facing prison time? WTF? Oh well, time to move the servers to Russia. I wonder how many Rubles it costs for hosting...heheh

06-09-2001, 09:44 AM	#2
echo465 Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 265	"The failure of the (Clinton) administration to enforce those laws has led to a proliferation of obscenity, both online and off," Goodlatte said. "And I am particularly concerned about the safety of our children on the Internet, where they're subjected to child pornography and solicitation in a massive way." It always has to be about protecting the children. Funny thing, I'm an adult webmaster, I have gigabytes of porn on my local HDD, and yet my 4-year old daughter isn't 'subjected to child pornography and solicitation in a massive way'. As far as she knows, most of the Internet consists of sites like nickjr.com.

06-09-2001, 09:46 AM	#3
chass Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Alamo City Posts: 498	How the hell will he stop porn on the web? What an idiot! He might be able to slow down the nudity in the US, but how many other countries are there in the world that do porn on the WWW? Too many to count! Who knows, for all we know he might have been rejected by one of those live nude girly shows and he's just pissed about it so he's taking out of the porn industry... Probably whacks he's meat everyday...LOL

06-09-2001, 10:02 AM	#4
brocklanders Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 297	Lol, Chass. Hey Lensman, check your signups -- do you see a J. Ashcroft or what? What I don't understand is, whether or not children ARE subjected to porn or not. I realize that you can go to a search engine and type in Sesame Street, and up pops a porn site. I also see kids' AOL mailboxes fill up with porn spam. But I believe, just like anything else we don't want kids to be subjected to, that its the parents who should make sure their kids don't look at the stuff. If kids are looking at porn on their parents' computer, then that's bad parenting. Ashcroft is saying it's the guns themselves that kill, not the people pulling the trigger. Just wonder who he is going to use as an example when he finally does decide to crack down. Anyone actually worried, or is this one of many failed attempts by the gov. to put us out of business?

06-09-2001, 10:21 AM	#5
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	Let's dispel the myth that you can move outside the scope of US law by moving your servers elsewhere. Some gambling site operators moved to the Caribbean and have found that they can't return to the United States without being arrested. The salient facts are these: if you are a US citizen and what you do (wherever that may be) reaches US citizens, you are operating under US law. Free sites may go the way of the buggy whip, and pay sites will all have to have very well manicured G-rated tours. Frankly, in terms of our kids, it might be a good thing. ------------------ Producer of truly original teen/young woman-oriented adult content at Wonders of the Unseen World

06-09-2001, 10:42 AM	#6
Hypo So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,104	Less free porn = more sales. Aint that a good thing?

06-09-2001, 10:48 AM	#7
Stamm321 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sin City - Nevada Posts: 156	No I dont think free sites will ever go away they may go G rated, with censored pictures, but if the surfer cant get porn anywhere else, they will still be a viable means of converting people besides that, ashcroft will not be able to stop porn. he may be able to stop some hardcore, or slow down hardcore, but simple nudity he doesnt stand a chance against. all i have to do, is post my pics as nude art, make sure that they are softcore, and he cant touch me. if its art, im protected, if its hardcore im not really, if that little commmunist right wing bastard ashcroft does come after us, and stops the hardcore - it would be better for all of us. we would see a much better conversion rate. if he comes after the hardcore, you will also see a big jump in avs sites, yet another ace up our sleeves to fight him. What will probably happen, is little ash will propose extreme measures to get us all, then the left wing will launch counter measures and it will all even out somewhere in the middle. probably banning hardcore without a protected area, and basic nudity will survive even without the "artistic" label. Any adult webmaster that voted for governor bush and president cheney - i hope they come after you first! If you voted for this communist regime, YOU DESERVE TO GET FUCKED WITH!

06-09-2001, 10:55 AM	#8
justined Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 169	brocklanders, bang on with that, I've been surffing the web with my kids for well over a year now, and with safesurf enabled have never encountered anything to be alarmed about. If I leave the room the connection goes with me, any parent that uses the net to babysit their kids might as well give the little darling a chainsaw to play with. Are we as a race learning any lessons yet? I think so, but, very very slooooowly. J And now...........back to the porn

06-09-2001, 10:56 AM	#9
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	Let's not also forget the fact that owning an adult website could very well become much more expensive. Those large server farms that have all of the bandwidth, have been allowing adult content for years now. Who do you think Asscroft will go after, it's not going to be joe website owner, he is going to scare the shit out of the larger data centers and they will in turn drop adult related sites, which will dramatically drive up the price of hosting a website. May not happen, but I remember the last scare when everyone thought they were going to have to cover everything up with an avs a few years back, and there were a number of large ISP's that simply dropped adult related sites altogether. Don't forget, just because we use a lot of bandwidth does not mean that we are all that profitable to the datacenters, they make much more money on a $40 a month website that uses 50Mb a month !!! Tim

06-09-2001, 11:11 AM	#10
deluxe Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,434	No problem, just put it behind avs... i think everything will be in a while ------------------ It's not just being there, it's doing it [email protected] 77717734

06-09-2001, 12:03 PM	#11
titmowse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TEXAS Posts: 5,320	so these kids on aol get flooded with pornographic email in their mailboxes and get private messages from cyberstalkers. maybe it's time to take a good look at aol. seems to me too many aol users either don't know how to set up filters for their email or perhaps more alarming, is maybe aol doesn't allow the user to properly block such content from their pc. aol is evil. ------------------ tit, -------------- EROTICOPY: A revolution in Adult Content. Mowsebytes Porn Newsletter: Submit sites here. ----------

06-09-2001, 12:58 PM	#12
eRock Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Chi-town Posts: 3,112	It does say "Obscene" sites not necessarily "hardcore". I wouldn't panic yet. I believe that means things along the lines of beastiality, fisting, etc.

06-09-2001, 03:09 PM	#14
Efil4zaggin Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 6	You crazy Americans, I just love the way your politicians go on their morality kicks, when most of them are just as dirty as the rest of us - Jesse Jackson, Bill Clinton to name a few. It seems America likes to "pretend" that nobody in their country is supposed to like sex - even though billions of dollars are spent on it every year. Will Adult sites ever be shut down - no, simply because of first amendment rights, will their be severe restrictions - that is the more likely scenerio. As for me I'm staying in Canada where for some reason sex is not that big a political issue. If you're still with me at this point, drop by my site at the below address and lets exchange links. Chow.

06-09-2001, 03:24 PM	#15
Rip Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: somewheres wet Posts: 1,456	This will help paysites make more money and profitable american companies will be relocating sections of their sites and servers offshore You have to think that many us hosting companies are making changes to their future plans, right now

06-09-2001, 05:19 PM	#17
McSpike Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 1,042	I'd love to see NO free hardcore on the net and if it takes some Ashcroft person to help with that then so be it. Less free hardcore means more buckos in my pocket! And if it's only US which will go after free hardcore that's something at least. About half the amount I'd say. And it means hard work for that Joe Horny to find hardcore and more chances he will have to buy to get it. Isn't that nice? I think that's what we all want. LLs, TGPs and all other porn portals will stay because they CAN be all protected! So how would no hardcore TGP look like? Like a gold mine to me!

06-09-2001, 05:40 PM	#18
julian Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 77	Who ever voted for bush and his fascist authoritarian regime- you deserve to get fucked! Vote Libertarian- http://www.lp.org

06-09-2001, 06:12 PM	#19
Susan Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Amost UK central Posts: 772	Quote McSpike... And if it's only US which will go after free hardcore that's something at least. ***************** No its not just something its the lions share. Sooner the better. ------------------ Susan©®

06-09-2001, 08:53 PM	#20
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	Free hardcore is not going to move off the web. What many of you AND the Feds seem to forget is that anyone anywhere become a hardcore porn webmaster. Just because the jackboots are cracking heads here doesn't mean that anybody outside the country is affected. It would force just about everyone here in the US to become a paysite or AVS operator. How it would affect a German, French, or Russian free site webmaster is that it would eliminate a lot of US competition. ------------------ Producer of truly original teen/young woman-oriented adult content at Wonders of the Unseen World

06-09-2001, 11:10 PM	#21
eRock Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Chi-town Posts: 3,112	LOL...I just got "brock landers"! Boogie Nights, right!? I LOVE it...!!!

06-10-2001, 01:18 AM	#22
Wilber Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: De,Oh,Lei Posts: 1,295	Well I hope Ashcroft can speak Spanish. He is going to need it when he tells terra.es to "remove the sin-sites" from their servers. Ashcroft had two swearing-in ceremonies when he entered the Senate. The first conducted by a priest in which Ashcroft "anointed" himself as a messenger from God (with Crisco oil), and the second a usual coronation for his public.

06-10-2001, 12:32 PM	#23
dank Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,674	If you're hoping that someone like Ashcroft will ban free hardcore so that you can make more money then you're selling out your rights which are granted to you by the first amendment. The main issue that Ashcroft is raising is that porn is accessible to children. I have to agree that it is the owner of the gun not the gun that is most dangerous. If parents can't do their job by keeping their children away from material that is illegal for them to view then that's the problem. So what if they put censorship banners over nude porn ads? That doesn't make parents any more better with their kids. And if there's freehardcore out there then it should be in the people's control. One way or another don't sell out your constitutional rights and don't let the government tell you how to raise your kids. But at the same time, parents should be more responsible to not let their kids view images that are illegal to them. Got it? Good! ------------------ Dank Photo Content Provider Boneprone Family

06-10-2001, 01:12 PM	#24
Warphead Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kiss my yankee dick. Posts: 994	To all you guys that would love to see "free hardcore" disappear from the net, you're missing one big issue. Ashcroft isn't the Attorney-General of the Earth, just the US. The worst he can do is shut down us Americans, and give guys like the Hun less competition. Hardcore won't be gone, it'll just be harder for Americans to profit from it.

06-10-2001, 01:23 PM	#25
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	You know its funny seeing Dank's post.. Back in October I was telling him what the political environment would be like with this office in power.. He insited that he knew what he was doing and voted for this administration.. He was not about to look up at what this administration stood for and who their lobbyests were as I had told him.. He was certain that a vote for Bush was the right thing, even though our industry was doing everything in its power to raise money for the democratic party, and get the message out as to what the Bush Ashcroft era would do to our industry. Its just disturbing how many people fell for George Bush's buyimg of our votes in promising tax breaks.. Its as if many of you sold out, but now you complain about the expense and which you sold out.. You voted for this administration, now its time people like dank bite their lip, cause this is the price we must now all pay because of the voters.

06-10-2001, 01:32 PM	#26
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	What makes this the most disturbing is that Ashcroft-Bush administration has only been in power for several months now, and have already set out on the obscenity law amendment crusade with just months into their administration... Most legal consultants defending us and political groups of the first admendment are shocked that this attack has occred soo soon. Most of us expected this to happen within the second year of power not the second month.. This is a goal of the current administration to start early and get the job done during their term.. This is of a high priority for the administration for the intrest groups who payed their way into office are demanding instant results, and with Ashcroft leading the crusade, you can expect it to be #1 on his priority list. And it is.. Here it was only 2 months into the term in office, and he alrady set things in motion getting that obsecnity law in effect, which has already gone into affect in some states.. We have all heard about the girl going to jail owing a dildo, and the webmasters with live shows going to prision in select states that enfore the obsenity laws.. As the Attorneys at the last convetnion said, "there is a reason 90% of the adult industry is in California".. this is becoming all the more clear as to why.

06-10-2001, 01:41 PM	#27
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Id be intrested to see if there are any adult webmasters in the State of Utah at this time.. Utah is the first state to have a anti-nudity Internet Cezar as a public offical. Her job is to find any adult sites owned or created in the state of Utah, and to arrest and inprison them under the amendments of the obsenity law acceped by the state.. Her office was granted a multi million dollar budget from Washington to give her the power and resourses to find adult webmasters or pornographic content providers in Utah and to proscute them under the obsecinty law which is actually enforced in the state to inprison those of us in Utah. there are 3 other states that also accept the law. One of which was the state that arrested and jailed the woman that owned a dildo.

06-10-2001, 01:45 PM	#28
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Once again I say this is all the falut of the voters like DANK! Aie-Yahhh.. Fucking Doe-mahs and Chew Kie Eyes!

06-10-2001, 01:46 PM	#29
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Everyone send a nice ICQ to Dank, thanking him.. He will like it!

06-10-2001, 01:47 PM	#30
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Its all his fault!

06-10-2001, 01:53 PM	#31
dank Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,674	It's true..........I once was blind but now I see........However, I've never been in any way affliated with the right wing......or the left wing. There needs to be more parties. I'm registered as an Independant, but I don't fully agree with a lot of there general views either. I'ts just that there needs to be a strong party or parties somewhere in between the left and right. Because I think they're both shitty. ------------------ Dank Photo Content Provider Boneprone Family

06-10-2001, 01:59 PM	#32
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	I dont get it, and advocate of teen models, yet vote for BUSH? Im really confused! [This message has been edited by boneprone (edited 06-10-2001).]