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~Ray

This is American fearmongering. The PLA is little more than an armed conscript mob. In time perhaps more...but not now.

Has anyone here actually been to China?

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I wish I could use Nuclear Weapons on my stankin ass neighbors! :thumbsup

China is not Iraq with a paper miltary, they also own a large amount of the US government debt. THe US will back down on this one and try to talk it out.They dont want to fuck with China.

I taught English in China for almost two years, but that was a long time ago. China's military buildup is not American fear mongering, maybe 20 years ago they were what you described, but you clearly haven't been paying attention to their military budget. They are developing a high tech military, including an air force and navy. If they're not ready to take Taiwan yet, which almost everyone who studies foreign affairs agrees they are, they will be within the next two years. This is well known. You're talking like it's 1985 and they're still driving around on bikes. China has developed faster than any nation in the history of mankind.

hey bro... hit me up on icq when you see this.

The PLA is a political force that is meant to support the Party. 99% of what they do is keep people from spitting gum at Tian an Men or keep the peasants in line. Currently there is a huge problem with the division of rich and poor in China and some areas are not really in government control any longer. Except for a few specialist units the PLA is a police force.

Outside of the showcase cities China is a 3rd world country. Here are some recent pics that are very good examples of what you see in central China: http://www.pbase.com/orchard/china

To sum it up China is not yet capable of projecting military power and there is no credible threat to Taiwan now. In time yes, but not for many years. And I don't think they will go this route...Taiwan is a Chinese ethnic nation and in time the borders will blur. The people at the top know winning Taiwan is not a military struggle.

You're completely right.

they where able to put a men in orbit.. im sure they can deliver a nuke to the us.. but im sure nothing will ever happend.. everybody will louse badly if something ever happends between them

Of course you are wrong again...eh Richy boy? The only reason the pentagon is concerned about China's military buildup is concern for Taiwan. We have had a defense treaty with Taiwan since Taiwan was called Formosa. At the present time China does not have the military capability of invading Taiwan...modernization of their military and an increase in naval vessels would give them the capability...without intervention from the US.

God you're such a fucking faggot.

Of course you did...was that before or after you were a monk living in Tibet along side the Dali Lama? BTW is that where you learned your expertise in martial arts...you know the one where you learned how to break a man's arm into a "million pieces?

Hmm...yep they have developed faster than any nation in the history of mankind. They have only been around for approximately 4,000 years and well gosh they are almost not a third world country now. Hmm...and the US has been a country for how long is it now...200 and how many years.

Of course with those three degrees you possess (one being a masters in history) you be knowing things about history...eh Richy boy?

You are correct. Richy boy just thinks he be knowing things...eh Richy?

Doubtful. Just like with the USSR... The Cold War was largely a hoax. The average hillbilly in Kentucky was better equipped to fight a war than the average Soviet Soldier. This was never made more clear than when they called in their "elite" Tamanskaya division to quell the coup attempt when communists took control of the white house in Moscow in 91 and most of the troop transports, tanks and trucks ended up broken down on the side of the road.

The Russian military machine could not defeat 10,000 rebels in Chenya after 2 years of fighting with tanks, MIG's and artillery against AK-47's and RPG's.

I seriously doubt China has any real significant nuclear capability and reliable technology.

If China made a move on Taiwan, I doubt America would use military force against China. America can't afford the consequences.

I think there would be a lot of talk and political rhetoric, maybe America would give Taiwan some weapons to help it fight off China, but I don't see America getting militarily involved, the consequences are just too great.

I think whether America would ultimately "win" in the end is irrelevant. I don't think the average American is willing to suffer the consequences of such a war just to ensure Taiwan's independence.

By the way...

It would seem just slightly hypocritical to attack China after saying this. Not that looking like a hypocrit ever stopped politicians before :winkwink:

Oh please. This is just drivel to impress the citizens of their nation.

If they launch on us first, their country is DONE and they know that.

I hope the US get nuked

America, todays empire, tomorrows ashes

the US is begging for war, u think its weird that a country finally stands up to them with some serious shit?

don't underestimate the chinese, in about 10 years they kick everybody's ass, including the US :winkwink:

Yes, sometimes it does feel like we are feeding a monster.

that guy is just speaking out of his ass, if China really is planning an attack, the last thing they would do is to inform the whole world, it will only be known when the first explosion is hit
but both of these big powers know well enough to stay away from each other... i think war would be the last thing on both sides mind

India could give China a run for its money. Maybe the US will outsource the war to India.

one nuke bomb detonated will erase a city , u dont need really to have zillions of atomic bombs just to put one on the right place. Imagine an small nuke like hiroshima´s erasing manhattan. I dont even think in joking with any country with nuclear bombs. :(

You didn't read it very well, they're not saying they're just going to attack the US. They're saying that if the US attacks them when they invade Taiwan, they'll have no option but to use nukes.

...and every bomb made today is a hell of a lot more powerful than the ones used in WWII.

Wrong again...Richy boy...which is SOP for you...the US within recent times...is working on mini nukes...in the 1/2 to 2 kiloton range. So no...not "every bomb made today is a hell of a lot more powerful than the ones used in WWII".

Tick tack, or as someone pointed out to me on another board, tick tock.

America is getting fatter and poorer. Time is not on your side.
Knowledge is imported, as are goods.
You have to stop niggafying your country with useless sheepherders and wannabe crackdealers and use your current edge on american born children and their education.

Tick tock, tick tock.

heres a good example of why there would be no war.

North korea- Has nuke bombs,

Freakish small country with 5 *FIVE* nukes,

Does the united states even try to threaten North korea? Not even a peep, US tells china to do the talks, US has TOO much to lose and NK has nothing to lose.


A bomb exploding in california would decimate the US economy and send US straight into deep depression.


And you think US would think about waring with china?

I think not.

The US does not have anything to lose from N Korea.. its a regional issue, not a global issue. That is why China, Russia, Japan and Korea have been taking the lead roles in dealing with them. N Korea does not have missiles that can even reach the US and the local governments have more influence over N Korea and stronger ties - and N Korea wants the US to participate only to continue blackmailing the US into feeding them and sending them oil. The US is trying to stay out of it so that they cannot continue their blackmail scam. Thats they only reason they need nuclear weapons to begin with... not for defense or offense, but for blackmailing the world into propping up their failed Stalinist regime with more aid.

Why is the Israeli/Palestinian issue a global issue and not a regional issue then?
Noone gives a fuck about Israel except the US (domestic issues..). Israel would have been an Arab amusement park a long time ago had it not been for the US threat of reprisal.

If China attacked Taiwan its not a forgone conclusion that they would win. Even without U.S. help, its possible Taiwan would emerge victorious IF they had the will to fight, which is somewhat doubtful. But history has shown over and over again that the side with better technology wins, and the Chinese military, like most conscript armys, is barely a notch above Sadam's legions.

Actually that is incorrect. In the Arab/Israeli wars, the arabs were always beat by Isreal, and badly. In the last conflict Moscow called Washington to threaten intervention unless the Israrel pulled back from humiliating the arabs any further.

i dont know why people keep saying that Isreal would be destroyed if not for the US... the fact of the matter is that all of Isreals neighbors have tried to destroy islreal and were completely decimated in the process. the only thing the US has done (and Britain) is armed them.

global politics is about national interests... not universal fairness. thats just the way of the game. why should the US care about feeding and taming N Korea when there is nothing in it for the US?

why doesn't Sweden feed them and try to broker a new arms deal for them to break again? ;)

sounds like he took Introduction to International Relations 101 too...


have to totally agree...states can be dealt with...wacky non-state entities are what's scarey...


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I don't like the sound of that.

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Damn somebody sure knows their history :thumbsup

China has weapons of mass destruction. Go get em!

a boomer is the nick name of large nuclear submarines armed with ballistic missles.

The US would not really lift a finger to help Taiwan maybe back in the day when
they gave us cheap imports but now that we buy from China and don't really need
them. Sure we would talk loud but that is all......

Damn Rich, your pretty informed about China......... China will have 1 Trillion by next summer :helpme

China's forex reserves increase to US$711bn


China's foreign exchange reserves increased by just over US$100bn in the first six months of this year to US$711bn, nearly double the rate at which its store of overseas currency rose in the same period last year.

China's foreign reserves are on track to break US$1,000bn by June next year if they continue to expand at the current rate, according to Stephen Green, an economist with Standard Chartered in Shanghai.

The build-up in reserves increases the pressure on the People's Bank of China, the central bank, and its efforts to control monetary supply and inflation, and will fuel an already intense debate about whether Beijing should revalue its currency, the renminbi, now pegged to the US dollar.

The rapid build-up of foreign reserves in recent months has been driven primarily by a swelling trade surplus and strong foreign investment.

Speculative capital inflows, much of it banking on a revaluation of the Chinese currency, are also contributing to the build-up, but not to the extent that they were late last year.

"Hot-money inflows appear to be easing," said Ben Simpfendorfer, an economist with JP Morgan.

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Taiwan is not that far from China at all.

"Taiwan is situated in the Pacific Ocean about 160 kilometers (100 miles) off the southeastern coast of the Chinese mainland. Located about midway between Korea and Japan to the north and Hong Kong and the Philippines to the south, Taiwan is a natural gateway for travelers to Asia."

China could easily attack Taiwan but not take on the US, they are not stupid and they will only attack if they are 100% sure. Pretty sure they will use economic power to gain Taiwan instead of military power.....

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Now that is interesting. I watched yesterday on c-span were the republicans tried to pass a bill on the floor to send arms to china..... Thankfully they did not get the votes.......

Chinese Version of F-16 thanks to Israel

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Flying Radar???
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