Yeah Great trade for the lakers, butler for brown. He is very talented and very young, watch out western conference. 
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He is exactly the type of player that Jackson wants. Talented and yet hasn't been able to play to his potential. Jackson will bring that out in him. He is very moldable right now.No One -
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he's still really young going to be an interesting year for the lakers and it's really all up to kobe and his attitudeComment
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link to the news?
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Originally posted by loverboylink to the news?
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basket...ck=1&cset=trueComment
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Butler has produced, Kwame has potential and hasn't really produced. Butler also has a good chemistry with Kobe and Odom. So I would say the Wiz got a better deal. It will take a year or two in order to determine if this was a good trade for the Lakers.Comment
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Da Na Na Da Na NaOriginally posted by loverboylink to the news?
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They missed the playoffs last year with butler, take my word this is a good move for the lakers, brown will be a superstar under Phil JacksonOriginally posted by 363RComment
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Looks like a nice trade for the Lakers. They put Odom back at his natural position, SF, and bring in Brown at PF.Comment
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brown is soft though and if Phil can't toughen him up it could be a bad tradeComment
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he will fit in perfectly in LA and lead them to last place in western conference. 
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Phil is going to build a tough lineup from young players.
still long way to go before the season starts, lots more
development i seek from the Zen master.
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The lakers are one player away from the titleComment
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Pretty much 1/2 the league could say the same thing.Originally posted by axelcat
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Exactly....Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyesComment
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Yeah, but unfortunately they traded that guy away (Shaq). A lot of teams are within Shaq of the title.Comment
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Originally posted by axelcat
Yeah, too bad that player's name is Shaq.
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It was a bad trade for the lakers for sureOriginally posted by RichYeah, too bad that player's name is Shaq.Comment
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No trade with the lakers is final until I see a press conference. Hell and even then, remeber what happened last year with the payton trade... Its all rumors for now! IF it goes through it is a nice addition for the lakers but a real shame to be giving up a player with buttlers skills. If they add another scorer/defender like Daniels, which is the rumor going around then this move will make a lot of sense. Brown at best is a 10/10 guy hardly the impact player the lakers really need.Just Launched: www.over40housewives.com/index.php - www.hot50plus.com/index.php
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Teams don't need Shaq to win a title . Shaq is nothing special anymoreOriginally posted by RichYeah, too bad that player's name is Shaq.Comment
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whats up bud, when we going to play some golfOriginally posted by Just_DaveComment
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Whats up buddy how is everything with you .We keep on talking about it but we never go anymore .Originally posted by axelcatComment
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we should make the time and goOriginally posted by Just_Dave
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you are right we should .Originally posted by axelcatwe should make the time and goComment
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Kobe is such a dickhead that I'm sure he'll break Kwame's confidence if he doesn't produce immediately. Besides - how can a player develop when Kobe won't pass the ball??
Only thing that Kwame has going for him is the Zen Master. Bad trade for the Lakers.
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The Lakers need all the help they can get.Comment
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should be a good trade for both teams
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Originally posted by axelcat
I'm kinda partial to Caron, before he was traded he was my favorite Miami Heat player. Good guy, great player and will be good for years to come. He avergaed 22 pts in the month of April for the Lakers and was the second leading scorer for the Lakers last year.
Kwame averaged 7.0 pts per game last year. The highlight of his career - Scored a career-high 14 points vs. L.A. Lakers on 4/2/02.
Hopefully Phil can get production out of this guy.Comment
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Kobe lead the lakers with assist last yearOriginally posted by Shaft_1971Comment
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by the time phil's 3 yr contract is up, this team (if its nucleus) stays together will be a top contender. kudos to phil for taking on that challengeComment
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i think Phil's main goal is to bring out the best of his boys,
make Kobe pass the ball more and have those big men pick
up from there. Phil does really inspire any player on and off
court, that's why LA took his expertise back to where it all
started.
but surely he's not aiming a championship caliber team not
within two years. Teams like Spurs, Detriot and Suns are still
solid group to contend with.
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Originally posted by GoodStuff
WORD... I have been saying all along that Odom is a stud when playing small forward. But his is an average power forward!
Great move. We had too many small forwards. Although I do agree that Butler has a big upside and I hate to see him go.Comment
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Originally posted by Just_Dave
And the 6 years before that I believe... he is always in the to 5 assists for SG'sComment
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this one is doneOriginally posted by channel69contentComment
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LOL @ the Kwame Brown glorification.
Let me give you the real Kwame Brown:
-Nearly uncoachable, simply not interested in Basketball (feels it's a job and life that was forced on him due to athletic skills, has NO interest in developing as a player)
-Was called quote: "Fucking Faggot" during a Wizards practice by Michael Jordan (verified by three other players who were there within earshot). MJ was as shocked/frustrated as the rest of the Wizards organization that this then-potential superstar was just another lazy fuck with no future.
-Suspended by the Wizards DURING their last playoff series, for conduct detrimental to the team, essentially Brown started skipping practices and getting high, ala Ricky Williams, meaning he didn't care if they flat-out cut him.
-Jackson being able to "get Kwame to his full potential" is the most laughable thing I think I've heard from casual sports fans who have no experience/idea how these athletes behave besides what they catch on Sportscenter each night. Jackson called Bryant "uncoachable" in his last book, and Bryant actually wants to be a superstar. Kwame Brown just wants to get high. I'm sure he'll be REAL open to Phil's ideas about hard word and dedication...ROFL
To sum up:
Kwame Brown is a talented but totally unmotivated player, who was forced into the life due to his sheer genetic heritage of height combined with speed. He wants no part of it, but must do it to perpetuate his lifestyle of getting high while not having to work for the rest of his life in a "real" job.
He is not the savior for the Lakers, and will be quickly forgotten once the season starts.
PS - Sheep in this thread: Do you always let others do the thinking for you or is that just a GFY phenomenon? Research is your friend to form your opinions, not some talking head on a sports show.
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I like the trade, however they are also giving up either Atkins or George, both of whom are decent players, there is no way to tell right now which team got the better of the deal, it will take at least a few months into the season to determine that, it all depends on chemistry and whether or not Jackson can pull that potentional out of Kwame, which is what I'm hoping for. I also like the fact that Odom will be going back to the position he was meant to play, which will definitely help the Lakers out. Finally I think we need to get rid of that dud Mihm, he is pretty fucking worthless, the Lakers need to put Bynum in starting from game one and let him mature on the court not on the sidelines, plus I'm sure as a rookie he will be more productive than Mihm.......Asher Hardt
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The reason they are giving the extra player is to free cap space to land another free agentOriginally posted by KingAsherComment
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I think he's going to be worse than Isiah Rider. Probably another blunder on Kupchak's partOriginally posted by Mako
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Rodman had a very bad attitude and phil kept him on check, brown is no where near rodmans attitude, phil knows what he is doing.Originally posted by MakoComment
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Rodman was a world champion, and wanted to be. His attitude off the court had nothing to do with his attitude ON the court. ON the court, he was a monster rebounder who wouldn't be denied.Originally posted by axelcat
You think gettin-high-Kwame gives a FUCK about the basketball being in his hands? You think Phil can make him?
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You cannot compare Kwame to Rodman. Rodman was a work horse from the begining of his career to the very end. Kwame as it has been repeatedly mentioned is a lazy bastard. Even if Phil is able to get anything out of him it will not last an entire season - not to mention the course of the contract.
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i won't be shocked if teams like Pacers, Suns, Spurs and Detriot wil come upOriginally posted by Joesho
ahead of their respective divisions in the next season
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Kobe playing with a new team mate with an attitude issues?Originally posted by Shaft_1971
Not really the team I would expect to pumped up my Lakers
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Rodman had many no shows at practice through out his career until he was coached by phil jackson, his teammates at detroit always complained about rodman not showing up to practice. The last year he played with the lakers they let him go half way in the season because of going to las vegas and missing the game they had.Originally posted by MakoComment
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Originally posted by KingAsher
If you have been watching Bynum in summer league play you would know he is years away from being anywhere near a starting center. He is getting pushed around by guys half his size. Plus Phil does not play 1st year players. He never has. Mihm is a decent player and would be great off the bench if Vlade gets healthy. As for Chuck it up Chucky that guy is a total bum. He plays zero D, takes way to many shots and is to small for phils taste. Phil likes big PGs.Last edited by channel69content; 07-14-2005, 03:29 PM.Just Launched: www.over40housewives.com/index.php - www.hot50plus.com/index.php
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i hate chucky i hope they get rid of himComment
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Bynum is trade bait for the lakers in my opinionComment
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