Dreamweaver MX 2004??? - GoFuckYourself.com

Flow · 07-13-2005, 11:18 PM

I don't get it. People swear up and down about this product and how much it rules. I have been using Front Page for many years now but I want to switch over to a Mac and cannot use Front Page in Mac. So I download 30-day trial to give it a whirl.

All I can say is Aghhhh! It is so much more labor intensive that Front Page. Hell, I even bought a 700 page book on learning Dreamweaver and it still sucks. It should not take 5 steps to create a link - sorry.

I guess I am a PC user forever which really sucks because I really want a MAC bad. I even tried GoLive and it sucks worse than Dreamweaver.

Flow

BiggleJones · 07-13-2005, 11:25 PM

Frontpage is the worst program every invented.

Dreamweaver MX 2004 is kinda queer.

Dreamweaver MX kicks fuckin ass!

bhutocracy · 07-13-2005, 11:27 PM

"I want to switch over to a Mac"

I got this far and realised there was no point reading any further ;)

BiggleJones · 07-13-2005, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flow

It should not take 5 steps to create a link - sorry.

...it doesnt...it takes two:

1) Type Text
2) Insert Hyperlink Location

...I mean...its not fuckin rocket science

Jhcbiinoc · 07-13-2005, 11:35 PM

I have not fully dived into Dreamweaver MX 2004, but from all I have seen it seems to be better than Dreamweaver MX in my opinion. I use Dreamweaver MX for basic page construction as well as a text editor, then tweak pages in TextPad or Notepad when needed.

I don't know if the book you have is the Dreamweaver MX Bible by Lowery, but that book was an excellent resource in learning the tricks of the program, and they have a version for MX 2004 as well.

From all I hear from other Mac users, if you are going to be on a Mac platform, it's better to go with Dreamweaver than GoLive.

jonesy · 07-13-2005, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flow

I don't get it. People swear up and down about this product and how much it rules. I have been using Front Page for many years now but I want to switch over to a Mac and cannot use Front Page in Mac. So I download 30-day trial to give it a whirl.

All I can say is Aghhhh! It is so much more labor intensive that Front Page. Hell, I even bought a 700 page book on learning Dreamweaver and it still sucks. It should not take 5 steps to create a link - sorry.

I guess I am a PC user forever which really sucks because I really want a MAC bad. I even tried GoLive and it sucks worse than Dreamweaver.

Flow

Jakke PNG · 07-13-2005, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flow

Hell, I even bought a 700 page book on learning Dreamweaver and it still sucks. It should not take 5 steps to create a link - sorry.

You need to read & comprehend the book in order to make anything out of it, buying it isn't enough.

toddler · 07-13-2005, 11:42 PM

all vi, all the time

Flow · 07-13-2005, 11:42 PM

Say what you will about Macs, but after getting spyware in my registry once again, I am sick of reformatting my computer and had it up to here with Windows and PCs. Don't have to worry about that shit with Macs (or viruses for that matter).

Jakke PNG · 07-13-2005, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flow

Say what you will about Macs, but after getting spyware in my registry once again, I am sick of reformatting my computer and had it up to here with Windows and PCs. Don't have to worry about that shit with Macs (or viruses for that matter).

How about investing $0 in a linux and run frontpage thru some emulator instead of 1000's in a mac?
But I guess you want a mac.

Flow · 07-13-2005, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

You need to read & comprehend the book in order to make anything out of it, buying it isn't enough.

I did read the book. It was a great book at that. And having read it and understanding it, Dreamweaver is a lot more labor intensive that Front Page is. There are so many things that are better with FP and MX it is not even funny.

Flow

munki · 07-13-2005, 11:50 PM

If you're not fairly well versed in html, or whatever language the site you are working with, you may have troubles with Dreamweaver MX. Frontpage is built to help non coders make decent sites. Dreamweaver has many features that aid more code intensive designers and webmasters.

I personally can not stand front page, all the useless tags it adds into files, limited ability. Works very poorly with dynamic files (php, asp, aspx, etc.)

But end of the day, use what works for you... If you are making money from Frontpage sites, why change?

eamedia · 07-13-2005, 11:54 PM

all the software has its ups and downs.... i use whatever software will let me do what i want to do the easyest

jonesy · 07-14-2005, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flow

I did read the book. It was a great book at that. And having read it and understanding it, Dreamweaver is a lot more labor intensive that Front Page is. There are so many things that are better with FP and MX it is not even funny.

Flow

paymeback · 07-14-2005, 12:10 AM

If you want some more books on dreamweaver checkout http://lynda.com shes a great teacher and has all topic videos from beginner to advanced in photoshop, dreamweaver, 3d art and heaps more. Prices start at $25mth.

sleeves · 07-14-2005, 12:54 AM

I found your take interesting, Ive been using front page for about 6 years and just switched to dreamweaver mx 2004 about 3 weeks ago. The first few hours were rough, I had a hell of a time getting used to the program. But once I made a few pages and got the hang of it I realized what a massive pile of shit front page is. The split view is great and if you make an identical page in both editors you'll see a huge difference in the amout of code between the two. For links click the link button on the toolbar or right click and press make link. Also the ability to size your tables has been helpfull to me. But the thing I like most about the program is it forces you to learn html, after 3 weeks with dreamweaver I know more html than I ever knew in front page after 6 years. I opened front page the other day and ended up uninstalling it about 2 min later, be patient and stick with dreamweaver I think you'll be happy that you did in the end.

NaughtyAlysha · 07-14-2005, 12:55 AM

Ahhh... I remember those Front Page days. When I first started messing around on the web, we bought a copy. About a week later, we bought Dreamweaver.

nofx · 07-14-2005, 01:00 AM

dreamweaver is jesus

i fucking hate frontpage.

SGS · 07-14-2005, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaughtyAlysha

Ahhh... I remember those Front Page days. When I first started messing around on the web, we bought a copy. About a week later, we bought Dreamweaver.

I switched to DW1 after 20 minutes using FP and never looked back.

FP is shit

solonline · 07-14-2005, 02:02 AM

used front page when i was a baby - pile of crap for grandmas flower shop designs. Dreamweaver is the biz - but then Golive is also getting a test out for some of our sites. No Front page in this office ...

woj · 07-14-2005, 02:42 AM

Dreamweaver owns... to create a link you just start typing <a.. and it auto completes it for you, takes whole 2 seconds...

MGPspots · 07-14-2005, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flow

I did read the book. It was a great book at that. And having read it and understanding it, Dreamweaver is a lot more labor intensive that Front Page is. There are so many things that are better with FP and MX it is not even funny.

Flow

Name a few then... My guess is u are using DW correctly. The shitty html that frontpage creates is its biggest problem. DWMX & DWMX 04 are pretty damn similar. Really 04 just tidies up the interface but it can't do much MX can't.

Dalai lama · 07-14-2005, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

Dreamweaver owns... to create a link you just start typing <a.. and it auto completes it for you, takes whole 2 seconds...

Yep, MX is a real good program

The Other Steve · 07-14-2005, 03:39 AM

five steps to create a link???????????

are you using a hammer and chisel instead of a computer and keyboard?

a1ka1ine · 07-14-2005, 03:42 AM

i think dreamweaver has a lot of problems but its better than anything else ive seen and the only thing i use now

alexg · 07-14-2005, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiggleJones

Frontpage is the worst program every invented.

Dreamweaver MX 2004 is kinda queer.

Dreamweaver MX kicks fuckin ass!

xclusive · 07-14-2005, 03:48 AM

I've been using Dreamweaver almost every day for years and it's by far the best just spend some time with it and you will be fine

MaDalton · 07-14-2005, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiggleJones

Frontpage is the worst program every invented.

Dreamweaver MX 2004 is kinda queer.

Dreamweaver MX kicks fuckin ass!

i couldn't agree more - and i regret sometimes a bit switching from MX to MX 2004

pussyluver · 07-14-2005, 03:58 AM

Front PPage is so , well Microlimp! Took the classes way back when on Front Page and even then asked - why?

circlekhabib · 07-14-2005, 04:44 AM

ultraedit 32
fuck all the rest

TheSaint · 07-14-2005, 06:58 AM

Not really following you. I use MX 2004. To make a text link for example, you select the text, right click and choose "make link".

Dreamweaver is so simple you really don't need a book for basic pages, only very complex stuff. You do have to play around with it a few hours to learn it like a lot of high end software.

ssp · 07-14-2005, 07:03 AM

Notepad all the way. Fuck those cheeky editor programs.

CheneyRumsfeld · 07-14-2005, 07:17 AM

you would be 100% better off with a simple free to download text editor and a book on html or php or whatever you want to create your pages.
plenty of free text editors out their that will work with mac or pc or any other operating system. their are plenty of free sites on the web too that can teach you html, css or any other language you need.

dreamweaver is a bunch of dressed up monkey bullshit that you don't need.
plenty of pages and sites were created with notepad before dreamweaver was ever thought of.

Abyss_Vee · 07-14-2005, 07:22 AM

dreamweaver is 1000 times better

FuckFind · 07-14-2005, 07:25 AM

sorry but the words frontpage and webmaster just shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

DW, take your time, you'll see the benefits in no time... and don't forget that it only seems labor intensive because it doesn't put a ton of code in for you like FP (ie. doesn't fuck up your pages).

And ya like the others are saying, if you don't like it just get a basic text editor... but don't do any of this shit w/o learning the rawest form of HTML first. Editors aren't built to create code, only make it easier.

Good luck.

FF

Kevsh · 07-14-2005, 08:37 AM

Homesite baby, code everything by hand the way real men (and women) do.

keyboard warrior · 07-14-2005, 08:44 AM

Front Page blows!

jwerd · 07-14-2005, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by circlekhabib

ultraedit 32
fuck all the rest

that and notepad++

Jhcbiinoc · 07-14-2005, 08:01 PM

I should add this to the conversation in regards to Dreamweaver MX being labor intensive.....others have said it, but I think this is important: Using Dreamweaver MX (or MX 2004) alone without knowing basic html can be very challenging and in my opinion is not a great idea in the long run. I would not recommend for anyone to use a WYSIWYG editor alone without knowing and understanding what the code is doing; it's better to learn the code in Notepad or a text editor first, and then decide if you want to use Dreamweaver to make certain aspects of page building more efficient. In a nutshell, Dreamweaver as a way to build sites without knowing any html can be challenging, but if you understand the code behind what it is doing, it can become a powerful tool. I agree with FF: "Editors aren't built to create code, only make it easier."

NaughtyRob · 07-14-2005, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiggleJones

Frontpage is the worst program every invented.

Dreamweaver MX 2004 is kinda queer.

Dreamweaver MX kicks fuckin ass!

That about sums it up.

07-13-2005, 11:18 PM	#1
Flow Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 518	Dreamweaver MX 2004??? I don't get it. People swear up and down about this product and how much it rules. I have been using Front Page for many years now but I want to switch over to a Mac and cannot use Front Page in Mac. So I download 30-day trial to give it a whirl. All I can say is Aghhhh! It is so much more labor intensive that Front Page. Hell, I even bought a 700 page book on learning Dreamweaver and it still sucks. It should not take 5 steps to create a link - sorry. I guess I am a PC user forever which really sucks because I really want a MAC bad. I even tried GoLive and it sucks worse than Dreamweaver. Flow

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Jhcbiinoc Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 117	I have not fully dived into Dreamweaver MX 2004, but from all I have seen it seems to be better than Dreamweaver MX in my opinion. I use Dreamweaver MX for basic page construction as well as a text editor, then tweak pages in TextPad or Notepad when needed. I don't know if the book you have is the Dreamweaver MX Bible by Lowery, but that book was an excellent resource in learning the tricks of the program, and they have a version for MX 2004 as well. From all I hear from other Mac users, if you are going to be on a Mac platform, it's better to go with Dreamweaver than GoLive. __________________ $25 Pay Per Signup and 60% Partnership Free Hosted Galleries, Freesites and Content-new Dynamic Gallery Builder John(AT)blazingbucks.com \| ICQ 305760130

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munki Do Fun Shit. Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OC Posts: 13,393	If you're not fairly well versed in html, or whatever language the site you are working with, you may have troubles with Dreamweaver MX. Frontpage is built to help non coders make decent sites. Dreamweaver has many features that aid more code intensive designers and webmasters. I personally can not stand front page, all the useless tags it adds into files, limited ability. Works very poorly with dynamic files (php, asp, aspx, etc.) But end of the day, use what works for you... If you are making money from Frontpage sites, why change? __________________ “I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best.” -Oscar Wilde

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paymeback Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,478	If you want some more books on dreamweaver checkout http://lynda.com shes a great teacher and has all topic videos from beginner to advanced in photoshop, dreamweaver, 3d art and heaps more. Prices start at $25mth. __________________ ICQ:36-43-49-11 Last edited by paymeback; 07-14-2005 at 12:11 AM..

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sleeves Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 324	I found your take interesting, Ive been using front page for about 6 years and just switched to dreamweaver mx 2004 about 3 weeks ago. The first few hours were rough, I had a hell of a time getting used to the program. But once I made a few pages and got the hang of it I realized what a massive pile of shit front page is. The split view is great and if you make an identical page in both editors you'll see a huge difference in the amout of code between the two. For links click the link button on the toolbar or right click and press make link. Also the ability to size your tables has been helpfull to me. But the thing I like most about the program is it forces you to learn html, after 3 weeks with dreamweaver I know more html than I ever knew in front page after 6 years. I opened front page the other day and ended up uninstalling it about 2 min later, be patient and stick with dreamweaver I think you'll be happy that you did in the end. __________________ [email protected] icq: 202-550-839

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NaughtyAlysha Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 1,843	Ahhh... I remember those Front Page days. When I first started messing around on the web, we bought a copy. About a week later, we bought Dreamweaver. __________________ ExtremeBank.com, the EXTREME program for NaughtyAlysha.com.

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a1ka1ine Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 3,387	i think dreamweaver has a lot of problems but its better than anything else ive seen and the only thing i use now

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TheSaint Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Everywhere at once Posts: 991	Not really following you. I use MX 2004. To make a text link for example, you select the text, right click and choose "make link". Dreamweaver is so simple you really don't need a book for basic pages, only very complex stuff. You do have to play around with it a few hours to learn it like a lot of high end software. __________________ I have no signature

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ssp Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,990	Notepad all the way. Fuck those cheeky editor programs.

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CheneyRumsfeld Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,341	you would be 100% better off with a simple free to download text editor and a book on html or php or whatever you want to create your pages. plenty of free text editors out their that will work with mac or pc or any other operating system. their are plenty of free sites on the web too that can teach you html, css or any other language you need. dreamweaver is a bunch of dressed up monkey bullshit that you don't need. plenty of pages and sites were created with notepad before dreamweaver was ever thought of.

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Abyss_Vee Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,208	dreamweaver is 1000 times better

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FuckFind Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,188	sorry but the words frontpage and webmaster just shouldn't be used in the same sentence. DW, take your time, you'll see the benefits in no time... and don't forget that it only seems labor intensive because it doesn't put a ton of code in for you like FP (ie. doesn't fuck up your pages). And ya like the others are saying, if you don't like it just get a basic text editor... but don't do any of this shit w/o learning the rawest form of HTML first. Editors aren't built to create code, only make it easier. Good luck. FF

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07-14-2005, 08:01 PM	#39
Jhcbiinoc Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 117	I should add this to the conversation in regards to Dreamweaver MX being labor intensive.....others have said it, but I think this is important: Using Dreamweaver MX (or MX 2004) alone without knowing basic html can be very challenging and in my opinion is not a great idea in the long run. I would not recommend for anyone to use a WYSIWYG editor alone without knowing and understanding what the code is doing; it's better to learn the code in Notepad or a text editor first, and then decide if you want to use Dreamweaver to make certain aspects of page building more efficient. In a nutshell, Dreamweaver as a way to build sites without knowing any html can be challenging, but if you understand the code behind what it is doing, it can become a powerful tool. I agree with FF: "Editors aren't built to create code, only make it easier." __________________ $25 Pay Per Signup and 60% Partnership Free Hosted Galleries, Freesites and Content-new Dynamic Gallery Builder John(AT)blazingbucks.com \| ICQ 305760130